Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Dyr

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

And many, many condoms. Cuts it off before the issue occurs. If you can't raise 'em, don't have 'em.

Just train the furry sharks to aim for the groin

iebamm2580

Captain Obvious wrote: »

iebamm2580 wrote: »

As some on here would say prove it or else it couldn't have possibly happened, also most of  the people that are giving out about the travelers and African youths here are not actually racist as most of the snowflakes claim us to be, as most can tell Africans tend to be black and travellers white so that claim has no credence, most normal folk just dont like poor behavior regardless of race ethnicity or whatever else. Plenty Irish scumbags in my local town and yes they are known as scumbags, just because these kids re black does mean we cant call them scumbags. Most people here would agree that plenty Irish scumbags now live in Australian and i certainly wouldn't call any Australian racist for calling out poor irish behaviour.

Seems like it has to be explained in every bloody thread but racial discrimination has been defined since 1969 as including race, ethnicity and nationality under the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination

weldoninhio wrote: »

Pointless arguing with the loons. If it was a story about a west African being racially abused, with the same unattributed quotes they’d be on squealing about how racist the Irish are etc. Pathetic.

I feel bad for you guys. It's so hard to express racists views these days. It's like bigots are the real victims.

Padraig Mor wrote: »

So, here on this public message board, you're stating as fact that Aengus O'Hanlon, the writer listed for the article, invented this article which is a pack of lies? Unless you've got evidence to back that up, I believe it's fair to categorise your comments as libelous to Mr O'Hanlon?

No, libel was replaced by defamation in the 2009 Act.

All im saying is if it was gang of Irish youths doing this i would call them scumbags just like i will call these youths scumbags. Race doesn't come into it for me its just people calling out bad behavior for what it is. I wouldn't agree with anybody saying all African youths are trouble makers but we should be free to call out loutish behavior regardless of race . Can you not see what is going on in London? Its PC gone mad that people cant mention the glaringly obvious backgrounds of these individuals.

Spon Farmer

The world is quite gone mad.

Many years ago I walking to lunch with a work colleague and a car nearly hit us. We both stepped back and he drove on. Both of us had very nearly apologised to the guy - regardless of the fact that the driver was completely in the wrong - because he was black.

More recently a very, very intelligent friend who I love dearly chastised me that I "can't say things like that" when I talking about a guy's criminal career. She was quite confounded when she realised she was defending, on autopilot, a convicted drug dealer and murderer just because he was black.

Kintarō Hattori

Will I Am Not wrote: »

I’m living there since the 80s, all my life, and see plenty of it.

I’d love to be able to afford to move out of it now but I bought a house at the worst possible time.

Oh I'm sorry to hear that. Two very contrasting experiences so and as I say, I live in one of the most affordable newer estates. That's quite interesting.

Spon Farmer

Bambi wrote: »

We need many, many German Shepherds

Them's the boys to discourage any deviations from normative behaviour.

Do you mean the large hounds or actual ovine caretakers from Bavaria?

EDIT: Either can get the job done.

Captain Obvious

iebamm2580 wrote: »

All im saying is if it was gang of Irish youths doing this i would call them scumbags just like i will call these youths scumbags. Race doesn't come into it for me its just people calling out bad behavior for what it is. I wouldn't agree with anybody saying all African youths are trouble makers but we should be free to call out loutish behavior regardless of race .

That's perfectly reasonable and I don't disagree. It just seems like these things get a lot more attention when they involve particular groups.


Although I do have to ask, is there a second video or is it just the one in the op? There doesn't seem to be any violence in it.

Spon Farmer

Commanchie wrote: »

He highly Frakkin doubts it. Now Im not sure if hes freaking or talking about Fracking.

I think he meant the swear word from Battlestar Galactica. He is obviously a nerd living in his parent's house.

Spon Farmer

Padraig Mor wrote: »

Other than the name of the offence, was I incorrect?

I never claimed you were "incorrect".

I said it was a silly comment to make. There is a difference.

Captain Obvious

Spon Farmer wrote: »

I think he meant the swear word from Battlestar Galactica. He is obviously a nerd living in his parent's house.

By knowing that reference does that make you a nerd living in your mothers house?

Spon Farmer

Bambi wrote: »

Just train the furry sharks to aim for the groin

What is a "furry shark"? I'm afraid to Google it.

Spon Farmer

Captain Obvious wrote: »

By knowing that reference does that make you a nerd living in your mothers house?

Never said I wasn't

EDIT: Alas the mother kicked me out many moons ago. I'm really nerd living in my wife's house.:p

Spon Farmer

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's perfectly reasonable and I don't disagree. It just seems like these things get a lot more attention when they involve particular groups.


Although I do have to ask, is there a second video or is it just the one in the op? There doesn't seem to be any violence in it.

There isn't much of anything going on. Not even shouting really.

Omackeral

DChancer wrote: »

It is an alleged quote from an alleged woman at the scene of an alleged incident with not a single shred of evidence to support it.

DChancer wrote: »

I'm 55 , gainfully employed, own my home, pay my taxes.

An alleged 55 year old with an alleged job and an alleged home with not a single shred of evidence to support it.

Faith+1

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Yesterday I seen these 3 black young lads, all dressed in black, and they were using words like “fam” and “bruv”. Absolutely pathetic

Dafuq does fam mean?

Omackeral

Faith+1 wrote: »

Dafuq does fam mean?

Fam is short for family. Dafuq does dafuq mean?

Faith+1

Omackeral wrote: »

Fam is short for family. Dafuq does dafuq mean?

Short for 'What the Fcuk'.

Now that's something new you've learned today sweetheart.

minikin

Iamxavier wrote: »

It's ironic that you mention a strawman, yet you were the one to bring race into this.

Everybody screaming racist, xenophobes etc, are you blind? What has this carry on got to do with race? It's that mentality that allowed huge numbers of CHILDREN be raped on a daily basis in the likes of the Netherlands. Police were afraid to do anything because lunatics would call them racists. The public shouldn't have any say in these matters at all, it's disgusting that the far left lunatics can have that kind of influence, that they can defend a youth throwing a bottle at a pregnant woman because he is not white. That it's ok for these animals to behave in such a manner, because they are not white. Color has nothing to do with it, so stop using it to defend these parasites.

Where are you getting this from???
I haven't mentioned migration, called you on that strawman.
I haven't mentioned race either.... can you actually read what I typed rather than what you imagine I typed???
Do you know what xenophobia is?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

minikin wrote: »

Where are you getting this from???
I haven't mentioned migration, called you on that strawman.
I haven't mentioned race either.... can you actually read what I typed rather than what you imagine I typed???
Do you know what xenophobia is?

You are just being pedantic. Xenophobia has nothing to do with the carry on of the scum in the op. That's a strawman, which is incredibly ironic.

minikin

Iamxavier wrote: »

You are just being pedantic. Xenophobia has nothing to do with the carry on of the scum in the op. That's a strawman, which is incredibly ironic.

You just don't get it do you??? You can't deny that some of the reaction to events and the generalising about those who have a similar ethnicity or national origin is pure xenophonia.

You've literally created a new strawman argument, accused me of taking that position - that the events in Portmarnock were about xenophobia - in order to accuse me of strawmanning... now THAT's ironic.

Can't waste any more time on this nonsense, hope you have a great day and hope you find peace in your life.
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m5ex9oqjawdg2i

proudboy wrote: »

Hopefully its not long before they start stabbing the life out of each other like in London. That's one way of getting rid of a few.

That's not a solution. That's only going to compound the problem. The scum don't have a code to only stab scumbags, it will be anybody and everybody.

Will I Am Not

Katgurl wrote: »

I hate all the racism that follows these stories. But what you've written above is rubbish.

Balbriggan is a kip. There is a disproportionate amount of social housing and nothing to do in the area beyond frequent scummy bars and fast food outlets. This brings unemployed people with nothing to do. But all this "it was a lovely town before the immigrants came" is rubbish too.

It was a kip before too.

Marketing it as a vibrant anything is laughable.

It never had a lot going on for it aesthetically but it was a safe, friendly town and a great place to bring up kids. A far cry from that now.

postername1

Aine ni Chonaill predicted this would happen

read her articles from 1998

bloodless_coup

Faith+1 wrote: »

Short for 'What the Fcuk'.

Now that's something new you've learned today sweetheart.

And you learned something today, the word fam... sweetheart????

Deebles McBeebles

doylefe wrote: »

And you learned something today, the word fam... sweetheart????

So nice to see love play out in front of you like this, wish ye all the best in your future, lads.

Roger Hassenforder

minikin wrote: »

You just don't get it do you??? You can't deny that some of the reaction to events and the generalising about those who have a similar ethnicity or national origin is pure xenophonia.

You've literally created a new strawman argument, accused me of taking that position - that the events in Portmarnock were about xenophobia - in order to accuse me of strawmanning... now THAT's ironic.

Can't waste any more time on this nonsense, hope you have a great day and hope you find peace in your life.
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This is a first?

The Mexian Standoff of Strawmanning....

Spon Farmer

Omackeral wrote: »

Fam is short for family. Dafuq does dafuq mean?

Dammitt, I could have answered that one.

yourdeadwright

Strangely enough I was out that way doing a bit of work and I seen this gang of youths,

Id normally think ah ye load of boll*x totally over the top by the media but I seen this with my own eyes ,
100 is probably over the top but id say there was probably about 70 of them , it was very odd to see that many black teenagers together in the one place in Ireland,

You have to remember 70 is still a huge amount of people together causing trouble , quite scary actually , Worse part was it did seem to be organised and they knew well there is no Garda station in the area, Plus Portmarnock is no exactly the kind of area you would get a vigilante group is it,

Quite a strange event , I heard 2 or 3 years ago there was similar trouble in the summer with the same number of black teens on the beach there,

It's all a bit bizarre and something id never seen before , id never even seen that number teens in group causing trouble,

CrankyHaus

proudboy wrote: »

Exactly, and they are well aware of that. Tyrellstown is gone quiet since the ring leader was burned out of his home.

When the gardai fail you what are you to do? sit back and say ,oh well?

Thats what pussies do. Fair play to whoever took action in Tyrrelstown, some Irish people still have a bit of bollox.

The little problem with arson of family homes is that the people least able to escape a burning house, infants, the infirm and the elderly, are the ones least likely to have mugged anyone while the young man who did has the best chance of getting out unscathed.

Vigilantism is no substitute for a functioning system of law and order. Sadly as the Irish State increasingly declines to provide law and order more and more people will turn to vigilantism.

Spon Farmer

proudboy wrote: »

Exactly, and they are well aware of that. Tyrellstown is gone quiet since the ring leader was burned out of his home.

When the gardai fail you what are you to do? sit back and say ,oh well?

Thats what pussies do. Fair play to whoever took action in Tyrrelstown, some Irish people still have a bit of bollox.

And suppose that fire had spread and killed someone innocent?

Quite a bunch of psychos.

Good luck.

yourdeadwright

Iv no idea what went on in Tyrellstown but the above doesn't surprise me ,

These kids are 100% from Balbriggen and have been causing trouble for a while on the Dart line / train line , There crafty enough that they stay away form so called rougher area's , targeting Howth, Sutton , Malahide, Portmarnock ,

The Garda really need to crack down hard on them

Its nothing to do with Race either if this was White kids they should get the say treatment, It just happens that Balbriggan has a huge amount of African nationals , Teenagers in large groups no matter what race cause trouble in this case they just happen to be black ,

proudboy

proudboy wrote: »

Hopefully its not long before they start stabbing the life out of each other like in London. That's one way of getting rid of a few.

Guaranteed this is what's gonna start happening next. It's inevitable.

Signore Fancy Pants

Bunch of low life scrotebags.

There really is no solution except a bit of baseball bat justice. These c.unts need a severe hiding.

ibrahimovic

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Iv no idea what went on in Tyrellstown but the above doesn't surprise me ,

These kids are 100% from Balbriggen and have been causing trouble for a while on the Dart line / train line , There crafty enough that they stay away form so called rougher area's , targeting Howth, Sutton , Malahide, Portmarnock ,

The Garda really need to crack down hard on them

Its nothing to do with Race either if this was White kids they should get the say treatment, It just happens that Balbriggan has a huge amount of African nationals , Teenagers in large groups no matter what race cause trouble in this case they just happen to be black ,

I don't get why people say race doesn't matter and it should not be mentioned? It does! This is an imported problem, our politicians decided to change our country forever with mass immigration, they are happy to take the credit for the positive effects immigration has brought to Ireland so they need to take responsibility for the negative effects as well.

If there is a disproportionately high rate of this kind of thing happening among the African community, then call it out, at least that way we are better able to work with those communities and tackle it better. It may be an uncomfortable talk, you may have African friends who are sound and you do not want to scrutinise Africans in general as you may feel you are attacking innocent individuals that may suffer from these yobs behavior but what is the alternative? More violence that's what.

And in the off chance any politicians are reading this. The idea of immigration is a beautiful one, everyone getting along and ideas being shared etc, but life is not a disney movie, it doesn't always work out like that, people are not stupid so do not treat us as such and acknowledge that this kind of thing is going on, people are aware and we want to know what you are going to do about it, if you don't and start calling people racist for calling a spade a spade it won't be long before we have our own even more hard lined version of Trump here. People just want sensible policies.

Deebles McBeebles

proudboy wrote: »

The Gardai walking around town look like glorified road sweepers with that pathetic illuminous gear they have them wearing. A lot are over weight, others are small and look like they are fresh out of school.

Won't solve the issues entirely but there is something to be said for this. I still remember bumping into my first cop in Italy, scared the bejesus outta me.

ibrahimovic wrote: »

calling people racist for calling a spade a spade

Dude...

Hector Savage

Remember the bunch of chavs (Irish white lads so it's ok to condemn the behaviour) that destroyed the LIDL in the snow ?
Anyway everyone was calling them scumbags (correct) but then Louise O Neill started moaning about calling them scumbags was wrong - cos one video emerged of a black lad that was part of some looting (not the same as the destroyed store afaik) showing off some things he took.
So she was excusing his behaviour based on the colour of his skin - this is the bigotry of low expectation and this thread is rife with it.

NIMAN

My OH Lived in Balbriggan maybe 10 years ago.

I would visit the odd time, and the thing that struck me was the massive housing developments and the large number of non-nationals in them.

I remember saying to her one time "these places will be ghettos in the not too distant future".

Some will say that's me being a racist, but it sounds like its coming to pass.

yourdeadwright

"If there is a disproportionately high rate of this kind of thing happening among the African community, then call it out, at least that way we are better able to work with those communities and tackle it better. It may be an uncomfortable talk, you may have African friends who are sound and you do not want to scrutinise Africans in general as you may feel you are attacking innocent individuals that may suffer from these yobs behavior but what is the alternative? More violence that's what."

Are you for real ? white gangs of teenagers have been causing problems in Ireland since time began, Robbing cars, selling drugs , robbing houses, muggings,

This just happened to be a case where the teenagers where black , Teenagers being Ares holes isn't a new thing at all, only new thing about this was so many but it seems the number was a once off,

I grew up seeing gangs of teenagers flashing stolen cars around the estate with maybe 30/ 40 egging them on it happens no matter what the colour,

Bigbagofcans

Omackeral wrote: »

Fam is short for family. Dafuq does dafuq mean?

I laughed very loudly at this post

wexie

ibrahimovic wrote: »

I don't get why people say race doesn't matter and it should not be mentioned? It does! This is an imported problem, our politicians decided to change our country forever with mass immigration, they are happy to take the credit for the positive effects immigration has brought to Ireland so they need to take responsibility for the negative effects as well.

Because it doesn't, they're not behaving like this simply because they are black.
I suspect that if you had a bunch of white kids, growing up in similar circumstances, similar prospects, parenting etc. etc. etc. they would behave in much the same way (see plenty of them around the IFSC for example).

So in that respect it doesn't matter what colour they are.

However I think you're absolutely correct in saying it should be more possible to point out that there is a problem (if there is) with a particular community regardless of what colour or ethnicity that community is and that doesn't seem to be possible a lot of the time. Instead what we tend to get are the loudest voices from either side looking to apportion blame and the sensible soft voices in the middle go completely unheard.

So yeah it's not an easy subject to approach in any kind of meaningful way I guess, let's hope that changes soon.

ibrahimovic

yourdeadwright wrote: »

"If there is a disproportionately high rate of this kind of thing happening among the African community, then call it out, at least that way we are better able to work with those communities and tackle it better. It may be an uncomfortable talk, you may have African friends who are sound and you do not want to scrutinise Africans in general as you may feel you are attacking innocent individuals that may suffer from these yobs behavior but what is the alternative? More violence that's what."

Are you for real ? white gangs of teenagers have been causing problems in Ireland since time began, Robbing cars, selling drugs , robbing houses, muggings,

This just happened to be a case where the teenagers where black , Teenagers being Ares holes isn't a new thing at all, only new thing about this was so many but it seems the number was a once off,

I grew up seeing gangs of teenagers flashing stolen cars around the estate with maybe 30/ 40 egging them on it happens no matter what the colour,

We are experiencing a new level, there are levels, not everything is the same, there just may be some logic in the fact that people growing up in more violent societies than here may bring that violence with them, I am not talking about individually but I mean as a community, you know the same way Jewish people on average have higher iqs, but we can mention that as it's a positive difference. My point is not all cultures are the same, we are able to celebrate positive differences so let's not live in a fantasy world and pretend negative ones do not exist, it will cause more damage than it creates.

Spanish Eyes

Send a tweet to Peter Casey about this abomination. Add to the long list he has opened up for debate at long last.

wexie

ibrahimovic wrote: »

We are experiencing a new level, there are levels, not everything is the same, there just may be some logic in the fact that people growing up in more violent societies than here may bring that violence with them, I am not talking about individually but I mean as a community,

I think you'd be in pretty thin ice suggesting that some races are genetically predisposed to be more violent that others*. Culturally perhaps, although most of these will have grown up here.

If anything I'd put it down to just more and more extreme behaviours we're seeing in society as a whole, porn, politics, social media, everything seems to be heading towards extremes.

*I lived with a black guy for years and he'd be close to the top of the least violent and most chilled out person I've ever met, but....he was from the Caribbean

Captain Obvious

ibrahimovic wrote: »

We are experiencing a new level, there are levels,

No we aren't. That's a ridiculous claim. This stuff has been going on in places like Darndale, Jobstown, Cherry Orchard, Ronanstown, Kilmahudrick etc for along time. They've literally tried to kill Gardaí in these places. Running them over, petrol bombs, rammings.

ibrahimovic

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No we aren't. That's a ridiculous claim. This stuff has been going on in places like Darndale, Jobstown, Cherry Orchard, Ronanstown, Kilmahudrick etc for along time. They've literally tried to kill Gardaí in these places. Running them over, petrol bombs, rammings.

Please explain the new levels of violence happening in London, Detroit, Malmo etc who have had their demographics drastically changed in a relatively short time.

yourdeadwright

Captian Obvious is correct,
Irish white teens have been up to much much worse for years , These teens need to be dealt with by the Garda but lets not go over board here, there still just teens causing trouble its nothing new bar the colour of there skin,

yourdeadwright

"Please explain the new levels of violence happening in London, Detroit, Malmo etc who have had their demographics drastically changed in a relatively short time"

London and England in general has always had 2worse crime then Ireland
,
Have you ever been to Detroit ?
I have twice the place is like something from the walking dead, its the first worlds (hate that expression) first ghost city , Sky rises empty ,the City is almost deserted , every house on some streets burnt out , its a nightmare, Due to year and year of huge problems of all sorts,. It's no where near comparable to Dublin or Ireland ,

Titzon Toast

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Captian Obvious is correct,
Irish white teens have been up to much much worse for years , These teens need to be dealt with by the Garda but lets not go over board here, there still just teens causing trouble its nothing new bar the colour of there skin,

The Gardai can't do sweet fook all. Their hands are tied behind their backs.
What's needed here is some good old fashioned vigilante justice.
These fools are outing themselves all over social media, making them easy targets.
Very hard to post pics and videos online with broken fingers.

yourdeadwright

"The Gardai can't do sweet fook all. Their hands are tied behind their backs.
What's needed here is some good old fashioned vigilante justice.
These fools are outing themselves all over social media, making them easy targets.
Very hard to post pics and videos online with broken fingers "

If this is true and they are outing themselves surely the Garda can charge them with whatever crime there outing themselves over ?

The issue with being a vigilante is you end up getting charged yourself ,
I

Titzon Toast

yourdeadwright wrote: »

"The Gardai can't do sweet fook all. Their hands are tied behind their backs.
What's needed here is some good old fashioned vigilante justice.
These fools are outing themselves all over social media, making them easy targets.
Very hard to post pics and videos online with broken fingers "

If this is true and they are outing themselves surely the Garda can charge them with whatever crime there outing themselves over ?

The issue with being a vigilante is you end up getting charged yourself ,
I

Only if you get caught, and who's gonna do that? The Gardai from inside their nice, warm stations? I don't think so.

Besides, they'd be glad of the help, not that they'd ever admit it publicly. Privately though, they'd be delighted.

ANDREWMUFC

weldoninhio wrote: »

Pointless arguing with the loons. If it was a story about a west African being racially abused, with the same unattributed quotes they’d be on squealing about how racist the Irish are etc. Pathetic.

Spot on