Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

harry Bailey esq

ASOT wrote: »

He wasnt a gangster, just an idiot.

I couldn't disagree with this post, but I will say this. HAVE SOME HUMANITY FFS :mad:

The Bishop Basher

Bubblegummers wrote: »

Any drug dealer in any form is scum.

Do you include publicans in that ?

They sell one of the most dangerous and addictive drugs in existence and certainly the drug that harms society more then any other..

So do you consider them scum too ?

Suckit

bigpink wrote: »

A scummer who wanted to be a big time gangster by the sounds of it

By all accounts of people I have met today that knew him, none say he was a scumbag, and that's not just them refusing to speak ill of the dead. It may also be the reason he owed so much.
He may also have been seen as a soft target.

If money owed is the reason he was killed, then some of the papers implying he may have owed it to Mr. Flashy.
If it was a rival dealer, then it may have been somebody trying to make a name for themselves.

Either way, this is not the big leagues and I would imagine the Gardaí will be under more pressure than normal to get somebody for this.
Which on the outside seems to be a pointless murder, i.e. a beating would have probably given the same message.

ASOT

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

I couldn't disagree with this post, but I will say this. HAVE SOME HUMANITY FFS :mad:

I do have some humanity I know him personally, I'm just being honest.

harry Bailey esq

ASOT wrote: »

I do have some humanity I know him personally.

Read that out loud to yourself.

Fiftyfilthy

I like reading this thread but that’s more to it being quite cringeworthy.

It’s no different to a pack of fishwives gossiping on things they know very little about

When I want to know about any gangland crime, I go straight to here to get the details from white collar office workers who grew up in the sticks

P.Walnuts

realdanbreen wrote: »

Well said. A guy interviewed at the scene of another killing some months back summed it up well when he said that these guys seem to treat the whole shooting/killing thing as some sort of 'call of duty' type video game.
Not sure what the solution is but it's disgraceful and disgusting that the head honchos on both sides can remain at liberty.

Oh FFS this old nugget again

I suppose the lads in Chicago and New York in the 20's mowing each other down with Tommy guns were big gamers too?

I don't own or play any games btw, but this type of lazy analysis just grinds my gears

Gadgetman496

Suckit wrote: »

Either way, this is not the big leagues and I would imagine the Gardaí will be under more pressure than normal to get somebody for this.
Which on the outside seems to be a pointless murder, i.e. a beating would have probably given the same message.

I'd imagine because it's not big league it might make it easier to track down the perpetrator?

I'm sure too the trigger person is a little worried that one of them seems to have survived?

Suckit

Guy on the radio just there said the Garda are analysing CCTV footage. Apparently there are a lot of cameras around that area. I've been there but can't say I've ever noticed.

Gadgetman496

"The gunman described as tall, of athletic build and wearing a black hoodie top with a black scarf covering his face, black tracksuit bottoms and black trainers with white soles.

"It’s understood he was carrying a grey or light coloured rucksack that may have concealed the firearm. "

The victim’s friend is currently stable in Beaumont Hospital.

"At approximately 7:30pm a lone male approached and fired a number of shots at a slow moving car as it was driven from Applewood Close onto Jugback Lane.

"The driver of the car Zach Parker from Swords was fatally injured. His passenger, a 25-year-old man also from the Swords area, was seriously injured and taken by Ambulance to Beaumont Hospital.

"The gunman left the scene on foot onto Jugback Lane in the direction of Balheary Road.

"The body of the deceased has been removed to the City Morgue, Whitehall where a post-mortem examination will be conducted later today by the Assistant State Pathologist, Dr Margot Bolster.

"The passenger remains in Beaumont Hospital where his condition is understood to be stable.

GAA Beo

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why? Drugs being illegal at all is a relic from a time when it was acceptable for governments to engage in social engineering around sexual and public morality. Drugs weren't made illegal because they were unhealthy, they were made illegal because hedonism was frowned upon and considered immoral.

Any notion that coke or heroin should be made legal is absurd. I think people suggesting that need to give their head a shake. Cannabis maybe, I have no time for it myself but there is a serious case there. Anything more than that, no chance.

weldoninhio

Dublin Spur wrote: »

how does murdering them get them their €50k or €15k back ?

not a great credit control policy - no winners

To the bigger guys €15k or €50k is peanuts. But let someone get away with not paying it back and you'll have everyone thinking they can get away with it.

realdanbreen

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Oh FFS this old nugget again

I suppose the lads in Chicago and New York in the 20's mowing each other down with Tommy guns were big gamers too?

I don't own or play any games btw, but this type of lazy analysis just grinds my gears

I couldn't give two ***** about your gears but I was making the point that these young fellas( and the killers are young men) treat the taking of life as you would shoot someone in a video game.

mynamejeff

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why? Drugs being illegal at all is a relic from a time when it was acceptable for governments to engage in social engineering around sexual and public morality. Drugs weren't made illegal because they were unhealthy, they were made illegal because hedonism was frowned upon and considered immoral.

take a walk down the broadwalk some evening , or afternoon or even some morning and see if you think those creatures are healthy

P.Walnuts

realdanbreen wrote: »

I couldn't give two ***** about your gears but I was making the point that these young fellas( and the killers are young men) treat the taking of life as you would shoot someone in a video game.

And I would say that a hyperbolic, throwaway and generic statement with absolutely no basis in fact

TallGlass

weldoninhio wrote: »

To the bigger guys €15k or €50k is peanuts. But let someone get away with not paying it back and you'll have everyone thinking they can get away with it.

Well they defo won't be getting it back now then.

Dublin Spur

no reason why alcohol should be legal the the others not
alcohol is incredibly dangerous yet the world makes an exception for it - why?

I say legalise all drugs and put the scum out of business
Let the pfizers and the bayers of the world manufacture the stuff
Let adults decide what they want to put in their bodies and pay tax on it

The money saved on the war on drugs + the taxation income would be massive

realdanbreen

P.Walnuts wrote: »

And I would say that a hyperbolic, throwaway and generic statement with absolutely no basis in fact

Ah hear, your starting to sound like Philip Boucher-Hayes now!

mynamejeff

TallGlass wrote: »

Well they defo won't be getting it back now then.

unless they put the debt on his family


which also happens

TallGlass

Dublin Spur wrote: »

no reason why alcohol should be legal the the others not
alcohol is incredibly dangerous yet the world makes an exception for it - why?

I say legalise all drugs and put the scum out of business
Let the pfizers and the bayers of the world manufacture the stuff
Let adults decide what they want to put in their bodies and pay tax on it

The money saved on the war on drugs + the taxation income would be massive

The closest we came to this was headshops (well the physco active selling kind) and they where quickly shut down.

It's as if people take the approach if you can see it, then it isn't a problem. The funny thing is, all that syntic sniff the head shops where selling, that problem hasn't just gone away overnight it still exists except with cocaine.

I don't know if cocaine is a dirty drug per se, as in the chemicals like in heroin that stuff would ruin your life. I think cocaine is a blood drug, blood all over it, to me it's just morally wrong to use it, when you here of the mass killings where it comes from.

Cannabis, should be legal and taxed, literally wasted money trying to fight it.

begbysback

mynamejeff wrote: »

take a walk down the broadwalk some evening , or afternoon or even some morning and see if you think those creatures are healthy

He didn’t say there weren’t unhealthy, he’s saying they weren’t made illegal because they were unhealthy.

Illegal or legal, you will still have the same people down at the boardwalk.

hatrickpatrick

GAA Beo wrote: »

Any notion that coke or heroin should be made legal is absurd. I think people suggesting that need to give their head a shake. Cannabis maybe, I have no time for it myself but there is a serious case there. Anything more than that, no chance.

Why not? Your brain is your brain. If you want to poison yourself for a short term gain, that's your decision - nobody else's. I choose to poison myself once a week or so by having more pints than I probably should with my friends, because the short term effects are in my view well worth the price of possibly not living as long. Why should it be any different if people choose to use opiates to dull whatever emotional trauma they're dealing with in life?

Drug dealers are scumbags when they get involved in violent crime. Drug dealers who just sell substances for personal use to people who are looking for them, are merely satisfying a natural demand.

El_Bee

TallGlass wrote: »

Well they defo won't be getting it back now then.

I think sometimes it then falls onto family members.

El_Bee

Another violent drug dealer eulogized as "led astray" "a good boy at heart", "from a good family", our attitude to these people is ridiculous.

Guy:Incognito

Suckit wrote: »

By all accounts of people I have met today that knew him, none say he was a scumbag, and that's not just them refusing to speak ill of the dead. It may also be the reason he owed so much.
He may also have been seen as a soft target.

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Driving an x5 and holidaying in Dubai without a visible income.Doesn't seem like he was trying his best to pay off any "accidental " debts he got himself in to.

dhaughton99

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Driving an x5 and holidaying in Dubai without a visible income.Doesn't seem like he was trying his best to pay off any "accidental " debts he got himself in to.

240 hours community service for being caught with €3000 of coke. What’s he to fear?

paska

Zach cut my hair a few times. We just talked about his car and random stuff. To me, he was a nice lad. He was also a customer in a shop I work in and was well-liked by my staff.
Looks like he fell for the old get rich quick trick so many kids are drawn into.

It's sad to see this happen. RIP

hawkelady

What did the tattoo on his face say ?

harry Bailey esq

mynamejeff wrote: »

unless they put the debt on his family


which also happens

Rarely happens. A slug or two to the back of the head usually ends it. Dealers chasing debts from the family of the man murdered is extremely rare. So called 'republicans' however specialise in this.

The Enbalmer

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

mynamejeff wrote: »

unless they put the debt on his family


which also happens

Rarely happens. A slug or two to the back of the head usually ends it. Dealers chasing debts from the family of the man murdered is extremely rare. So called 'republicans' however specialise in this.

Particularly INLA.

r93kaey5p2izun

Unrelated to this latest murder but I hear there was a shooting in Clondalkin on Sunday night, with several shots fired through the windscreen at a takeaway delivery driver. A case of mistaken identity apparently and a miracle he wasn't hurt. Terrifying that an innocent man doing his job can be shot at and it barely gets a mention.

Monkeynut

El_Bee wrote: »

Another violent drug dealer eulogized as "led astray" "a good boy at heart", "from a good family", our attitude to these people is ridiculous.

I knew him growing up and he was a nice kid. Cycling around on his chopper with my brother in the estate. In my house at my brothers birthday's so on. Just looking at photo's this evening of him playing in newbridge farm having fun. It's heartbreaking. I hadn't seen him for a few years now. So yeah he did indeed go down the wrong road.

Money isn't everything, flash cars, etc. you can't take it with you, to anyone reading

liamoreilly

...Shooting in county down tonight, 1 man dead and woman injured...

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0118/1024181-warrenpoint-shooting/

fred funk }{

Some strong rumours it's a very significant target. Only stuff on Twitter, mind.

Cazale

fred funk }{ wrote:

Some strong rumours it's a very significant target. Only stuff on Twitter, mind.

Journalists saying it's not Gerry Hutch.

Joeseph Balls

Significant target?
Mago still up north?

secman

What's the chance it's that lad James Mago Gately, think it was reported that he recently came back to Dublin from a holiday but was likely to go vack up NORTH., ?

Calltocall

Saw something on Twitter saying victim was from the area so doesn’t look like it’s connected to the Feud

secman

Calltocall wrote: »

Saw something on Twitter saying victim was from the area so doesn’t look like it’s connected to the Feud

Rte news reported psni saying its crosss border related ?

Calltocall

secman wrote: »

Rte news reported psni saying its crosss border related ?

Interesting, where did you see that?

secman

Calltocall wrote: »

Interesting, where did you see that?

The late news on rte about 20 min ago

TallGlass

Major Great Cellist wrote: »

Unrelated to this latest murder but I hear there was a shooting in Clondalkin on Sunday night, with several shots fired through the windscreen at a takeaway delivery driver. A case of mistaken identity apparently and a miracle he wasn't hurt. Terrifying that an innocent man doing his job can be shot at and it barely gets a mention.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/i-dont-know-how-im-still-alive-delivery-driver-shot-at-three-times-37724681.html

Quite lucky he wasn't killed

Suckit

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1086394722728464384

Gadgetman496

Warrenpoint victim is 37-year-old Wayne Boylan.

Gadgetman496

Man and woman arrested following €500K drugs bust in Drimnagh.

The Special Crime Task Force and National Drugs and Organised Crime unit smashed the stash after searching a house in Drimnagh late last night.

Heroin, cannabis, and cocaine were all found by gardai who were targeting an organised gang based in the area.

The man, 37, and woman, 55, are being detained in Crumlin while gardai say the investigation is ongoing.

harry Bailey esq

secman wrote: »

Rte news reported psni saying its crosss border related ?

The surname is that of one of the outfits in drogheda trying trying to wipe each other out.. So it's possible. Although it's a fairly common name so probably coincidental.

septictank

"Show me the money"?

harry Bailey esq

septictank wrote: »

"Show me the money"?

No, someone from the other side if it's connected.

Gadgetman496

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1088096145874800647

refusetolose

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1088096145874800647

its Marco Yaqout for anyone googling