Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

spider baby 172

GinAndBitter wrote: »

The irony of the pond life outside court asking for justice.

Shocking. How many have they killed and tortured before and during this feud. They are up to their eye balls in crime just like the other side.

septictank

GinAndBitter wrote: »

The irony of the pond life outside court asking for justice.

Anyone know the 2 with the banner. I've seen and heard that blond wan before.

realdanbreen

septictank wrote: »

Anyone know the 2 with the banner. I've seen and heard that blond wan before.

Is that Phil Mitchell on the right of the banner?

spider baby 172

It really is a pity the intended target wasn't got that day of the Regency. I think there would have been a lot less bloodshed and tragedy since.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

Is that Phil Mitchell on the right of the banner?

ElBastardo1

Can't believe it collapsed, I wouldn't fancy being the Hutches tonight. You'd have to wonder how someone could have such a brass neck to stand outside the courts with a banner of a known drug dealer seeking justice.

SEPT 23 1989

what did they have on that copper?

Gadgetman496

Apparently Patrick left the court via a side entrance and sped off on the back of a waiting motorbike.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Why would a dead copper stop a case?

This is a very strange outcome.

SEPT 23 1989

Liveline discussing this today some of those outside the court might be on

GinAndBitter

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Apparently Patrick left the court via a side entrance and sped off on the back of a waiting motorbike.

Mago picking him up.

sabat

mynamejeff wrote: »

you know how you can tell some one is a real gangsta ?

you get shot in the face with a rusty gun by a coked up teenager for 200 euro and a push on debt forgiveness.

your funeral gets attended by a load of cowards who sold you out and wouldn't work in a fit and who run home to their mammy's every time the cops come through the door

at the end of the day most of your money ends up being paid to a pos hiding in a foreign country and you get 10 euro for every bag you sell


and some plonker on a thread on boards pretends he knew ya when you dead

Word. I didn't choose the game yo. The game chose me. Later dawg, me ma's doing fish fingers and jam sandwiches for me lunch back in her gaff.

spider baby 172

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Apparently Patrick left the court via a side entrance and sped off on the back of a waiting motorbike.

Jesus could they not find any safer mode of transport, maybe like an army tank.

ParkRunner

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Why would a dead copper stop a case?

This is a very strange outcome.

The evidence obviously became compromised in some way and the Det Supt was put in a very difficult position. Beyond that I don’t think we’ll know for a long time what exactly happened

Franz Von Peppercorn

ParkRunner wrote: »

The evidence obviously became compromised in some way and the Det Supt was put in a very difficult position. Beyond that I don’t think we’ll know for a long time what exactly happened

Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.

Gadgetman496

spider baby 172 wrote: »

Jesus could they not find any safer mode of transport, maybe like an army tank.

Can you imagine if the bike driver was switched to one of the Byrne's prior to the pickup? :eek: Well, they were ahead of the posse with the banners this morning!

realdanbreen

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Liveline discussing this today some of those outside the court might be on

If we are confused now about what happened wait til Joe is finished with it, so to speak!

ParkRunner

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.

His death is obviously very relevant in this case, and in particular whatever happened regarding the evidence in the lead up to his death

P.Walnuts

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to this case.

spider baby 172

ParkRunner wrote: »

His death is obviously very relevant in this case, and in particular whatever happened regarding the evidence in the lead up to his death

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

The answer must be in those notes, everything changed when the prosecution brought those notes forward to the court

Calltocall

So the states prosecution counsel noted that the state had an obligation to ensure the trial proceeded fairly and because of the death of the lead investigator they could no longer do that, now why would that be........

Franz Von Peppercorn

P.Walnuts wrote: »

You obviously haven't been paying attention to this case.

No I haven’t as I don’t follow gangland stuff. I’m not getting much of an explanation here either, or from the papers.

Gadgetman496

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

No I haven’t as I don’t follow gangland stuff. I’m not getting much of an explanation here either, or from the papers.

If you don't follow Gangland why are you looking for Info here?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

If you don't follow Gangland why are you looking for Info here?

Because a trial has collapsed for no apparent reason and this is the only thread on it.

Still not getting any explanation.

spider baby 172

No one knows thats why

White lighting

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Come on. He took notes. He must have been to briefings. They had cctv and other evidence. Him being alive is irrelevant.

Ireland is heading towards a lawless society.

What cctv had they of Patrick Hutch?

Calltocall

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Because a trial has collapsed for no apparent reason and this is the only thread on it.

Still not getting any explanation.

You are unlikely to either, gangland journalists are very close to the Police so it’s unlikely that whatever was going on here will come into the public domain, perhaps in years to come, the whole regency affair has been a tragedy, so many deaths from one incident that still rumbles on today.

Edgware

Dead man walking.
League of Ireland team trying to take out Champions League Team. Could ever only be one result.

The Enbalmer

He's probably gone straight to his local to celebrate.

Sweet.Science

The Enbalmer wrote: »

He's probably gone straight to his local to celebrate.

He might be meeting you soon

spider baby 172

Sweet.Science wrote: »

He might be meeting you soon

Hopefully not. Am I right in saying this lad had no criminal record before the crap began?

SeaFields

I see a tribunal coming....

P.Walnuts

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Because a trial has collapsed for no apparent reason and this is the only thread on it.

Still not getting any explanation.

Basically....

- Prosecution case relied soley on a photograph which allegedly showed the accused (dressed as a woman) at the scene with a gun

- Only 2 Guards identified the accused out of nearly 100 shown the photo

- The defence requested emails from the lead investigator to other Gadai

- Lead investigator kills himself. Leaves note pertaining to the case

- Case collapses

STB.

Indeed Walnuts that's what I took from it too.

The trial was stalled this time last year over the disclosure by the prosecution of emails between four gardaí.

Interesting that the Independent has published a story of todays case with the unredacted photo outside the Regency.

Wheeliebin30

STB. wrote: »

Indeed Walnuts that's what I took from it too.

The trial was stalled this time last year over the disclosure by the prosecution of emails between four gardaí.

Interesting that the Independent has published a story of todays case with the unredacted photo outside the Regency.

Always wondered who the people were in the background of that photo??

Suckit

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/his-life-is-not-in-danger-from-us-david-byrnes-family-reacts-as-patrick-hutch-walks-free-from-court-37835054.html


Mrs Byrne said:

"No one wants to listen to me. Nobody."

and

"His life is not in danger from us."

I'm guessing only one of those statements is true.

spider baby 172

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Always wondered who the people were in the background of that photo??

I always wondered the same. And the two with the guns are running towards the main entrance of the hotel, you would think they would be running the other way

reg114

The nolle prosequi ruling today will have huge implications. First of all for the gardai because it basically suggests that if the leading garda in a serious crime investigation dies then there's a good possibility the case against the accused will be dismissed. The mafia have a long history of eliminating members of law enforcement and the judiciary in order to achieve the same result, so how long before Irish gangsters take that approach given the perceived benefits to them.

The other issue is for the state and judiciary. How and why a case can fall due to the death of one garda is beyond comprehension. Witness and photographic evidence should have been sufficient to obtain ruling without evidence of one leading garda.

Then you have the ramifications on the streets. This verdict will just antagonise those in gangland circles. You can expect retaliation sadly.

spider baby 172

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Basically....

- Prosecution case relied soley on a photograph which allegedly showed the accused (dressed as a woman) at the scene with a gun

- Only 2 Guards identified the accused out of nearly 100 shown the photo

- The defence requested emails from the lead investigator to other Gadai

- Lead investigator kills himself. Leaves note pertaining to the case

- Case collapses

Good points. So if it was the case that these emails proved that guards discussed the identity of the man dressed in drag, would that be enough to collapse the case??

P.Walnuts

spider baby 172 wrote: »

Good points. So if it was the case that these emails proved that guards discussed the identity of the man dressed in drag, would that be enough to collapse the case??

Almost certainly I imagine.

But I'm not going to pretend I know what was in those emails.

Certain amount of reading inbetween the lines and reasonable conclusions can be made though.

TallGlass

Talking about it on Joe Duffy now.

Calltocall

The problem is that when there is a void of official reports on why/what happened here people are left to speculate, did gangs have something on the guard who died etc etc, it could have been innocent and just human error which may have led to a guilty concience of being responsible for collapse of the trial we just don’t know because nobody either the state or papers will reveal the truth which makes people think cover up. By all accounts the guard was a decent highly respected Detective.

big syke

reg114 wrote: »

The nolle prosequi ruling today will have huge implications. First of all for the gardai because it basically suggests that if the leading garda in a serious crime investigation dies then there's a good possibility the case against the accused will be dismissed. The mafia have a long history of eliminating members of law enforcement and the judiciary in order to achieve the same result, so how long before Irish gangsters take that approach given the perceived benefits to them.

The other issue is for the state and judiciary. How and why a case can fall due to the death of one garda is beyond comprehension. Witness and photographic evidence should have been sufficient to obtain ruling without evidence of one leading garda.

Then you have the ramifications on the streets. This verdict will just antagonise those in gangland circles. You can expect retaliation sadly.

It is not necessarily the death of one Garda that collapsed the case.

As mentioned before emails exchanges between 4 Gardai had caused the trial to be delayed and would have played a part in the collapse.

Edgware

This is still a live investigation. There are still a number of participants who could face a trial for some part of the attack. Thats of course if they havent met "justice" already.

Edgware

spider baby 172 wrote: »

Good points. So if it was the case that these emails proved that guards discussed the identity of the man dressed in drag, would that be enough to collapse the case??

The identification evidence was allowed in as "evidence" and would have been considered with all evidence when the Judges would be considering a verdict. Personally I dont believe it was singularly enough to prove beyond doubt.

hatrickpatrick

spider baby 172 wrote: »

Good points. So if it was the case that these emails proved that guards discussed the identity of the man dressed in drag, would that be enough to collapse the case??

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Almost certainly I imagine.

But I'm not going to pretend I know what was in those emails.

Certain amount of reading inbetween the lines and reasonable conclusions can be made though.

I've assumed for a while that it was an Ian Bailey esque thing - "We don't know who it is, but we all hate Patrick Hutch and he's likely to have wanted to do it, so let's all agree privately to say we recognise him in this photo even though we haven't actually got a clue".

I can't think of anything else which would have caused a case of this magnitude to fall apart.

r93kaey5p2izun

Why is the opinion of Gardai on the id of a man in the photo of such importance? Surely photographic evidence should stand by itself - let the jury or judge as applicable look at the photo and look at the defendant in front of them and make a decision. I don't see why the opinion of any Garda adds to the confirmation of identity in such a scenario. I understand there's more to the collapse of the trial than just this element but I've never understood why it was ever relevant at all.

Edgware

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've assumed for a while that it was an Ian Bailey esque thing - "We don't know who it is, but we all hate Patrick Hutch and he's likely to have wanted to do it, so let's all agree privately to say we recognise him in this photo even though we haven't actually got a clue".

I can't think of anything else which would have caused a case of this magnitude to fall apart.

You have a very limited thinking ability. Postman Pat is coming on shortly. See can you work out what happened Jess

hatrickpatrick

Suckit wrote: »

Mrs Byrne said:

"No one wants to listen to me. Nobody."

and

"His life is not in danger from us."

I'm guessing only one of those statements is true.

I've heard from multiple people, some of whom seem to have insider knowledge of this whole feud, that it's widely presumed that Sadie Byrne and / or "Jaws" were the ones who requested / ordered a retaliatory campaign. No idea whether that's accurate. People on this very thread have suggested that Daniel Kinahan is not the ringleader of the campaign to wipe out the Hutches, and that it's primarily coming from the grieving Byrnes instead.

hatrickpatrick

Edgware wrote: »

You have a very limited thinking ability. Postman Pat is coming on shortly. See can you work out what happened Jess

Based on the fact that the identification of the guy in the photo was the specific thing causing the prosecution's case to be questioned immediately before Supt Fox's death and that the case was suspended immediately afterwards, doesn't Occam's Razor suggest that the two are directly linked - questions being raised over the photo identification, and Supt Fox's suicide?

Sure, there could be other explanations, but it's by far the most obvious one.