Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Jeff2

STB. wrote: »

Reports printed in newspapers at the time quoted "Garda sources" as saying that the shooters entered the Regency Hotel through a back door, not covered by CCTV, and left the same way. The other suspect in the picture allegedly stayed as a guest at the Regency the previous night.

There's a fairly crude synopsis here of the early stages of evidence given at the trial, by the manager of the Regency, an Indo Journalist and a photographer.

I thought the CCTV system in the hotal was down on that evening.

The person though to be the driver of the car that picked them from the van was killed.

deandean

Well, two of this crowd got caught red-handed by Gardai. Violent armed robbery. Previous form. Suspended sentences!
https://www.thejournal.ie/mugger-thermal-imaging-4504678-Feb2019/

fryup

the pressure on Det Fox must have been immense for him to take his own life, poor man

Dante7

Jeff2 wrote: »

I thought the CCTV system in the hotal was down on that evening.

The person though to be the driver of the car that picked them from the van was killed.

A recently jailed ex-SF councillor was allegedly brought in to disable the CCTV. However, they didn't legislate for the press photographers in attendance who took some high quality snaps.

STB.

Jeff2 wrote: »

I thought the CCTV system in the hotal was down on that evening.

The person though to be the driver of the car that picked them from the van was killed.

Doesn't seem to have been any at all in the back.


When you read the reports, this was from the CCTV footage shown in the Court proceedings, its over in 6 minutes and involved 5 gunmen and a driver.

The two pictured in that famous photo entered at 2.28pm and asked for directions. Shots fired, pandemonium. Two journalists from the Indo saw what they thought were ERU armed with AK47's at 2.30pm. They then enter as shots are going off. One of the journalists takes that photo of the "ERU" with his mobile phone. They are out by 2.34pm.

Jeff2

Dante7 wrote: »

A recently jailed ex-SF councillor was allegedly brought in to disable the CCTV. However, they didn't legislate for the press photographers in attendance who took some high quality snaps.

Yes, Johnny ( friend of Hutch) had a security business that installed CCTV and online access.

Don't mean to go all all conspiracy but coincidence.

Dante7

I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect that there may be something fishy going on here. GSOC have already opened an investigation into the circumstances surrounding Fox's death.

There are two main theories. The first one, which seems to be the semi-official line, and which is being pushed by the likes of Paul Williams, is that Fox made a little mistake, such as messing up the ID process, and that he suffered some sort of mental breakdown over this.

The other story is that he became very seriously compromised after possibly giving the names of all involved in the Regency to the Byrne's and that this information came out and he may have been susceptible to blackmail from the Hutch side. I thought this was unlikely, but Sadie Byrne spoke very complimentary of Fox today.

xzanti

They came out shouting "I couldn't f*cking find him, he's not in there".

Who couldn't they find? David Byrne was already dead.

STB.

Some might say that its more likely that the request made by the defence for the trawling of emails between four named Gardai, that stalled the whole case, turned up something that compromised the prosecutions case, so much so that they had to withdraw it.

Will we ever know ? Probably not.

xzanti wrote: »

They came out shouting "I couldn't f*cking find him, he's not in there".

Who couldn't they find? David Byrne was already dead.

They werent looking for David Byrne. Daniel Kinahan was the target according to various press reports.

hatrickpatrick

Dante7 wrote: »

I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect that there may be something fishy going on here. GSOC have already opened an investigation into the circumstances surrounding Fox's death.

There are two main theories. The first one, which seems to be the semi-official line, and which is being pushed by the likes of Paul Williams, is that Fox made a little mistake, such as messing up the ID process, and that he suffered some sort of mental breakdown over this.

The other story is that he became very seriously compromised after possibly giving the names of all involved in the Regency to the Byrne's and that this information came out and he may have been susceptible to blackmail from the Hutch side. I thought this was unlikely, but Sadie Byrne spoke very complimentary of Fox today.

I still say it's mostly A but it's not so much a mess up as a stitch up - my reading of it implies that the Gardai essentially intended to frame Hutch in an Ian Bailey esque manner - regardless of having any actual evidence of his involvement, they were going to say they identified him anyway - and that this was sussed out by the defence. It could be that Fox was the one who blew the whistle on it, or that he wanted to but his colleagues put pressure on him to go along with the official line, and he couldn't hack it.

hatrickpatrick

xzanti wrote: »

They came out shouting "I couldn't f*cking find him, he's not in there".

Who couldn't they find? David Byrne was already dead.

They were after Daniel Kinahan. The Byrnes and Roe / McGovern were secondary targets, they wanted primarily to get Daniel because he had previously ordered the murder of Gary Hutch.

Jeff2

xzanti wrote: »

They came out shouting "I couldn't f*cking find him, he's not in there".

Who couldn't they find? David Byrne was already dead.

Kenahan junior, he ran out the back door.

GinAndBitter

Daniel got lucky that day, I wonder was it the lack of garda presence that spooked him. He may well of got away in the confusion anyway as Liam Byrne managed to.

I'd love to know exactly how it all went down Inside the hotel.

GinAndBitter

Jeff2 wrote: »

Kenahan junior, he ran out the back door.

Did he leave after it all kicked off yeah? I had read somewhere he left a few minutes before everything started.

Dante7

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Daniel got lucky that day, I wonder was it the lack of garda presence that spooked him. He may well of got away in the confusion anyway as Liam Byrne managed to.

I'd love to know exactly how it all went down Inside the hotel.

Harry lost the plot. Too much white.

imme

Why did you let these people do this to you Ireland.

jay0109

deandean wrote: »

Well, two of this crowd got caught red-handed by Gardai. Violent armed robbery. Previous form. Suspended sentences!
https://www.thejournal.ie/mugger-thermal-imaging-4504678-Feb2019/

The court heard Odunlami is from a strict Christian background and moved to Ireland from his native Nigeria when he was aged five.

Ah, the old 'moved to Ireland' line. Gotta love it. That was about 2002 when the Nigerians were miraculously appearing on Irish shores at a rate of 10-15,000 a year, claiming asylum and popping out the baba's before we even knew what hit us.
And now the fruits of those years are starting to blossom.

The Satanist

Relax the cacks lads

At a hearing today, Judge Melanie Greally noted that Odunlami had expressed remorse and had not committed any offences since this robbery.

A justice system based on "sorry, I won't do it again"

lol

Jeff2

GSOC investigate Fox.

Nothing going to come out I guess.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0220/1031820-gsoc-colm-fox/

Golf4GolfGti

Where's the thread about the Irish scum carrying out daily muggings and racist attacks in the city centre, most recently on deliveroo cyclists tonight???

imme

Golf4GolfGti wrote: »

Where's the thread about the Irish scum carrying out daily muggings and racist attacks in the city centre, most recently on deliveroo cyclists tonight???

There is space for a separate thread.
I haven't heard of what you speak of.

jay0109

Shops in Raheny were hit at the weekend by the gangs from Balbriggan. Here, 1 shop owner speaks out

https://www.98fm.com/podcasts/98fm-39-s-dublin-talks/owner-raheny-shop-speaks-gang-attack

Franz Von Peppercorn

jay0109 wrote: »

Shops in Raheny were hit at the weekend by the gangs from Balbriggan. Here, 1 shop owner speaks out

https://www.98fm.com/podcasts/98fm-39-s-dublin-talks/owner-raheny-shop-speaks-gang-attack

No mention of colour there.

VeryTerry

imme wrote: »

There is space for a separate thread.
I haven't heard of what you speak of.

This is a safe space for racists.

There was no muggings in Dublin before the sun went down on Mosney permanently.

GinAndBitter

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

No mention of colour there.

The store owner is probably afraid of being called a racist.

Franz Von Peppercorn

GinAndBitter wrote: »

The store owner is probably afraid of being called a racist.

Or the gangs were white.

Dante7

Can someone explain to me how Nigerians and other non-EU nationals are living here? I'm all for taking in qualified nurses from the Philippines, but how are unskilled migrants coming in?

ArchXStanton

Dante7 wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how Nigerians and other non-EU nationals are living here? I'm all for taking in qualified nurses from the Philippines, but how are unskilled migrants coming in?

I've often wondered that myself, was there a war on there recently?

GinAndBitter

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Or the gangs were white.

This is the same Balbriggan gang that has been terrorising the dart line.

But feel free to continue burying your head in the sand.

VeryTerry

Dante7 wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how Nigerians and other non-EU nationals are living here? I'm all for taking in qualified nurses from the Philippines, but how are unskilled migrants coming in?

The vast majority are Brazilians and Chinese and we're taking their money on the proviso that they're studying. After the Brazilians and the Chinese the 3'rd biggest entrants are American. They're possibly the most annoying. The rest make up fairly small numbers if you take them on a country by country basis.

Franz Von Peppercorn

GinAndBitter wrote: »

This is the same Balbriggan gang that has been terrorising the dart line.

But feel free to continue burying your head in the sand.

Where is the evidence of that?

Dante7

VeryTerry wrote: »

The vast majority are Brazilians and Chinese and we're taking their money on the proviso that they're studying. After the Brazilians and the Chinese the 3'rd biggest entrants are American. They're possibly the most annoying. The rest make up fairly small numbers if you take them from a country by country basis.

Ok. But they are coming here on student visas. How are the uneducated and unskilled from Nigeria etc. getting access? Are they coming by claiming asylum? I just don't get it.

jmreire

VeryTerry wrote: »

They use the court system in their respective countries. They don't go to a Mosque to sort out their problems like you were saying you mad ****.

I still have no idea what any of this has to do with Christian gangs from Balbriggan but it's good to have all the racists in one place I suppose.

Terry, what kind of Law do Muslims use in Islamic Countries? Sharia Law ? or the Irish Law, as laid out in the Law Library ? Of course they go to the local mosque or local Iman / Sheik as the case maybe, but it will be decided by by Sharia Law, and that's for sure. And NOT western Law, in any shape or form. Maybe you should travel to a few Islamic Countries, and see how they work... Now if that makes me a "MAD***. it say's a lot more about you....

VeryTerry

Dante7 wrote: »

Ok. But they are coming here on student visas. How are the uneducated and unskilled from Nigeria etc. getting access? Are they coming by claiming asylum? I just don't get it.

They're not educated or doing any sort of education here. We're selling visas to these people at a very cheap price.

I believe Christian Nigerians are claiming asylum on the grounds of possibly getting persecuted by Boko Haram. There's also a lot of homosexuals claiming asylum in Ireland from places that are dangerous to them.

GinAndBitter

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Where is the evidence of that?

This happened at 8pm on a Saturday night, you think nobody seen it happening, loads of people witnessed it they were black youths, boys and girls.

I've seen it myself in Killester. It's the same scumbags the garda know who they are.

VeryTerry

jmreire wrote: »

Terry, I was answering another poster who seemed to think that Muslims use solicitors and barristers in their own Countries, same as we do here. He was under the impression that Muslim Sharia Law is the same set up as here. But in fact, they do have have their own jurisprudence, but their law is taken from Sharia, and not the law books in the four courts or the Law Library, like here. And that was what I was trying to get across to him when I asked if Muslims don't go to a Sharia Court in Islamic Countries.Go back through my posts if you like, and get your fact's right before calling anyone "mad****. That kind of comment speak's volumes about you....

There's no reason that a Muslim in Ireland wouldn't respect our courts.

Franz Von Peppercorn

GinAndBitter wrote: »

This happened at 8pm on a Saturday night, you think nobody seen it happening, loads of people witnessed it they were black youths, boys and girls.

I've seen it myself in Killester. It's the same scumbags the garda know who they are.

So, no evidence. I know the shop. I’ll pop in and ask.

The Satanist

I'd wager that the percentage of Brazilians and Chinese people in Ireland who are involved in crime is negligible.

GinAndBitter

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

So, no evidence. I know the shop. I’ll pop in and ask.

No we don't have the evidence, hopefully it's with the gardai, the CCTV and witness statements etc.

jmreire

VeryTerry wrote: »

There's no reason that a Muslim in Ireland wouldn't respect our courts.

But they do Terry...they do it in every non-muslim Country they go to..The Quran tell's them to respect the laws and customs of the Country that they are in. BUT insofar as it's possible for them, they will use Sharia Law. This is largely done for"Muslim" issues..... But say one of them has a traffic accident, then that will be judged by the law of the land. If they purchase property, that will be according to the Law of the Land, but when ever possible, they will use Sharia amongst themselves. Back at home, in Islamic Countries,,there is only one Law..... Sharia, and that covers everything. *** I am not 100% sure about this,but I would say that it happens, Say some property is bought here in Ireland , so it will go through all the legal rule's and regulation's, same as everyone else....but if it's a deal between two Muslims, then I could understand them getting copies in Sharia Law as well as the Irish Law too. I'm not sure though, like I said

VeryTerry

The Satanist wrote: »

I'd wager that the percentage of Brazilians and Chinese people in Ireland who are involved in crime is negligible.

In comparison to who?

In petty drug dealing the Brazilians have the market cornered.

GinAndBitter

VeryTerry wrote: »

In petty drug dealing the Brazilians have the market cornered.

I wouldn't say that now, but they are at it. We would be fùcked without the Brazilians, there would be nobody to drive the rickshaws.

VeryTerry

jmreire wrote: »

Back at home, in Islamic Countries,,there is only one Law..... Sharia, and that covers everything.

It does. They still have solicitors and judges. They might not be prancing around in robes and wigs but if a Muslim gets in trouble here they deal with that. End of.

VeryTerry

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I wouldn't say that now, but they are at it. We would be fùcked without the Brazilians, there would be nobody to drive the rickshaws.

We'd be gasping for a yoke and a bump of coke without the rickshaws alright.

GinAndBitter

VeryTerry wrote: »

We'd be gasping for a yoke and a bump of coke without the rickshaws alright.

They're only good for the yokes. I'll pass on the 5% bags of white.

jmreire

VeryTerry wrote: »

It does. They still have solicitors and judges. They might not be prancing around in robes and wigs but if a Muslim gets in trouble here they deal with that. End of.

Are you talking about Sharia Law or western Law? And in which Country?

VeryTerry

The Satanist wrote: »

I'd wager that the percentage of Brazilians and Chinese people in Ireland who are involved in crime is negligible.

What immigrants do you think are engaging in crime in a significant fashion?

VeryTerry

jmreire wrote: »

Are you talking about Sharia Law or western Law? And in which Country?

I'm talking about Irish law in Ireland

jmreire

VeryTerry wrote: »

I'm talking about Irish law in Ireland

Yes, and I posted this a few mins ago, but here it is again: "
But they do Terry...they do it in every non-muslim Country they go to..The Quran tell's them to respect the laws and customs of the Country that they are in. BUT insofar as it's possible for them, they will use Sharia Law. This is largely done for"Muslim" issues..... But say one of them has a traffic accident, then that will be judged by the law of the land. If they purchase property, that will be according to the Law of the Land, but when ever possible, they will use Sharia amongst themselves. Back at home, in Islamic Countries,,there is only one Law..... Sharia, and that covers everything. *** I am not 100% sure about this,but I would say that it happens, Say some property is bought here in Ireland , so it will go through all the legal rule's and regulation's, same as everyone else....but if it's a deal between two Muslims, then I could understand them getting copies in Sharia Law as well as the Irish Law too. I'm not sure though, like I said

kowloon

GinAndBitter wrote: »

This is the same Balbriggan gang that has been terrorising the dart line.

But feel free to continue burying your head in the sand.

The DART doesn't go to Balbriggan.