Gangland Shootings [Mod Note in Post #1]

Billy86

jmreire wrote: »

Terry, what kind of Law do Muslims use in Islamic Countries? Sharia Law ? or the Irish Law, as laid out in the Law Library ?

Can someone help? I'm not sure how to break this to him...

GinAndBitter

kowloon wrote: »

The DART doesn't go to Balbriggan.

I'm well aware of that. The train from Balbriggan joins up with the dart line.

trixiebust

Jeff2 wrote: »

GSOC investigate Fox.

Nothing going to come out I guess.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0220/1031820-gsoc-colm-fox/

Quote from the article...
"Given the limited resources of GSOC, considerable cooperation from all parties involved will be required for an effective investigation to take place."

If there was some sort of coverup/fudging of the investigation, is really likely that those involved will admit it now?

AndrewJRenko

Jeff2 wrote: »

GSOC investigate Fox.

Nothing going to come out I guess.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0220/1031820-gsoc-colm-fox/

Presumably there will be a Coroner's inquest for the detective at some stage?

Franz Von Peppercorn

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Presumably there will be a Coroner's inquest for the detective at some stage?

He’s dead a year.

El_Bee

STB. wrote: »

Doesn't seem to have been any at all in the back.


When you read the reports, this was from the CCTV footage shown in the Court proceedings, its over in 6 minutes and involved 5 gunmen and a driver.

The two pictured in that famous photo entered at 2.28pm and asked for directions. Shots fired, pandemonium. Two journalists from the Indo saw what they thought were ERU armed with AK47's at 2.30pm. They then enter as shots are going off. One of the journalists takes that photo of the "ERU" with his mobile phone. They are out by 2.34pm.

My knowledge is only from TV shows, Movies & Video games but don't AK-47's have extremely destructive firepower? how was it not a slaughterhouse in there?

Luckycharms_74

Regarding the Hutches, here is an old rare interview with "The Monk". Seems to come across as a clever fella.

GinAndBitter

El_Bee wrote: »

My knowledge is only from TV shows, Movies & Video games but don't AK-47's have extremely destructive firepower? how was it not a slaughterhouse in there?

There's video attached to this article I Haven't seen before, it's shows byrne being gunned down.

I think the weapons uses were a variant of the ak47, still heavy duty firepower. It certainly could have been a bloodbath but they couldn't find the targets they were looking for.

Byrne was unlucky he ran straight into them.

I can only assume they hoped Daniel Kinahan would also have ran towards the main entrance. If he had of he would be dead now too.


https://www.thesun.ie/news/3778835/hutch-kinahan-feud-david-byrne-regency/

Fr_Dougal

Do Gardai lose their state pension if they’re found guilty of a crime?

Suckit

If Patrick Hutch planned on leaving the country via Dublin Airport, hope he did so yesterday
https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1098550185758781440

Although he might go up North first? He could already be in Dubai...

GinAndBitter

Suckit wrote: »

If Patrick Hutch planned on leaving the country via Dublin Airport, hope he did so yesterday
https://twitter.com/DublinAirport/status/1098550185758781440

Although he might go up North first? He could already be in Dubai...

I'd say he's up North, whether he stays there or not is another thing. Mago seems safe enough up there.

STB.

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I think the weapons uses were a variant of the ak47, still heavy duty firepower. It certainly could have been a bloodbath but they couldn't find the targets they were looking for.

From the pictures, looks very like a PA Md.65. Romanian copy most likely.

PingTing comes for Fire

AK 47 and other Assault Rifles can be used in single shot mode or can fire semi automatic or fully automatic(sometimes needs a conversion)

It can also not be fired at all if you screwed up your planning and recon.

ohnonotgmail

El_Bee wrote: »

My knowledge is only from TV shows, Movies & Video games but don't AK-47's have extremely destructive firepower? how was it not a slaughterhouse in there?

because that would require actually hitting what you aim at. Something these gangsters seem incredibly bad at.

mynamejeff

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Do Gardai lose their state pension if they’re found guilty of a crime?

Are you asking about Det Fox ? if so why ?


If not then no i wouldn't think so. as long as they contribute the required amount over the required period of time

Gardai buy a fairly good pension but its topped up by the state.

as for the state pension well every one gets it regardless of criminal history hutch or Kinahan

The Enbalmer

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because that would require actually hitting what you aim at. Something these gangsters seem incredibly bad at.

Well if you want to have a look at Tossy Fox's fb for example you'll see he learned to shoot in Courtlough not a fullbore pistol or rifle range and it's quite hard to learn firearm proficiency when you have no access to a range or have never been in the military.

Shooting from a couple of feet away seems to be the limit of their abilities.

Calltocall

Anyone else find it odd that the intended target wasn’t there when they stormed the hotel. The main event/weigh in was talking place when they attacked but he had left earlier.......

El_Bee

PingTing comes for Fire wrote: »

AK 47 and other Assault Rifles can be used in single shot mode or can fire semi automatic or fully automatic(sometimes needs a conversion)

It can also not be fired at all if you screwed up your planning and recon.

I had the idea that the two guys stormed in and started spraying the place indiscriminately with AK fire.

Calltocall

Calltocall wrote: »

Anyone else find it odd that the intended target wasn’t there when they stormed the hotel. The main event/weigh in was talking place when they attacked but he had left earlier.......

As in could target of got wind that something was coming, is it definite that he did in fact leave beforehand or did he escape during the panic?

GBX

GinAndBitter wrote: »

There's video attached to this article I Haven't seen before, it's shows byrne being gunned down.

I think the weapons uses were a variant of the ak47, still heavy duty firepower. It certainly could have been a bloodbath but they couldn't find the targets they were looking for.

Byrne was unlucky he ran straight into them.

I can only assume they hoped Daniel Kinahan would also have ran towards the main entrance. If he had of he would be dead now too.


https://www.thesun.ie/news/3778835/hutch-kinahan-feud-david-byrne-regency/

Which link has the cctv the sun or mirror one?

GinAndBitter

GBX wrote: »

Which link has the cctv the sun or mirror one?

The Sun, should be in the link I posted.

hatrickpatrick

Calltocall wrote: »

As in could target of got wind that something was coming, is it definite that he did in fact leave beforehand or did he escape during the panic?

I heard he didn't actually "leave" beforehand, he just left the function room the event was happening in and thus was able to escape when the shooting started. Could have been that he went to the jacks, to take a phone call or have a smoke - either way he wasn't in the room. If this was the case, he could have escaped through a different part of the hotel or just into the hotel proper.

Always assumed it was more just incredibly bad luck and bad timing for the hit squad as opposed to a full-on escape for Kinahan. The way the story has been told in various newspaper articles, a few minutes earlier and he'd have been in the room.

twowheelsonly

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Do Gardai lose their state pension if they’re found guilty of a crime?

No. Why would they ? They've paid for it, probably over 25 /30 years or more.

Gadgetman496

Where might the hit team have got their hands on the ARU gear?

Witcher

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Where might the hit team have got their hands on the ARU gear?

Nothing to do with the ASU, it's just tactical clothing, it was the press that linked it to the Gardai, 'ERU style' load of bollocks.

You'd buy similar in any airsoft shop or online and slap an embroidered GARDA patch on it

Suckit

Independent are reporting that it was Patsy that picked him up on the motorbike at court.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/prime-target-for-kinahan-mob-flees-with-his-father-to-the-north-37837804.html

realdanbreen

Suckit wrote: »

Independent are reporting that it was Patsy that picked him up on the motorbike at court.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/prime-target-for-kinahan-mob-flees-with-his-father-to-the-north-37837804.html

The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.

Gadgetman496

realdanbreen wrote: »

The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.

Is Patsy normally a biker?

hatrickpatrick

Suckit wrote: »

Independent are reporting that it was Patsy that picked him up on the motorbike at court.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/prime-target-for-kinahan-mob-flees-with-his-father-to-the-north-37837804.html

I thought Patsy was in complete lockdown tbh, last week I actually misremembered him as one of the deceased. He went into hiding last year after a bunch of "Patsy dies = feud ends" slogans were spray painted in various locations around his neighbourhood. Perhaps Patrick is going to hide in the same location that Patsy is hiding in?

I have to wonder what kind of terms The Monk's family are on with him at the moment - it's not a stretch to speculate that he could regarded as responsible, through the botched Regency hit, for all the bloodshed which has been visited on his family since (even if it started with Gary Hutch's murder). Wonder if they hold that against him, I can imagine it could be a very bitter situation all around.

imme

Dante7 wrote: »

Can someone explain to me how Nigerians and other non-EU nationals are living here? I'm all for taking in qualified nurses from the Philippines, but how are unskilled migrants coming in?

Ireland is easy, that's why,

Ireland has a feckless attitude.

Nigerians keep coming.

It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.

paw patrol

realdanbreen wrote: »

The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.

cos given the extreme lockdown by the gardai in the area , a fella on a bike with helmet would have been vetted and permitted to be sitting at the side door of the court.
the gardai knew who it was and told the indo - the same indo who's boy Paul Williams is essentially the gardai PR man.
a cosy cartel so to speak...

thats' how.

Jizique

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Where might the hit team have got their hands on the ARU gear?

Any Chinese fabric shop

Jizique

twowheelsonly wrote: »

No. Why would they ? They've paid for it, probably over 25 /30 years or more.

Not sure where the idea that cops pay for their pension through contributions comes from; they come nowhere near it, but whatever.
The taxpayer pays for it - they make a token contribution

leakyboots

imme wrote: »

Ireland is easy, that's why,

Ireland has a feckless attitude.

Nigerians keep coming.

It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.

https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_5_Diversity.pdf

Sorry but you're talking complete bull.

If you actually read the CSO statistics the numbers of Nigerians that 'keep coming' here is actually dropping steadily for this decade. It's Romanians, Brazilians and Spanish that 'keep coming' here.

Nigerians don't even make it into the Top 10 nationalities resident here numbers-wise anymore!

BBFAN

imme wrote: »

Ireland is easy, that's why,

Ireland has a feckless attitude.

Nigerians keep coming.

It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.

In fairness I think Dante is asking a fair question. How do people from outside the EU come and live here? I have often wondered the same.

And I don't need a smart arse answer, I'm looking for a serious one.

paw patrol

twowheelsonly wrote: »

No. Why would they ? They've paid for it, probably over 25 /30 years or more.

Jizique wrote: »

Not sure where the idea that cops pay for their pension through contributions comes from; they come nowhere near it, but whatever.
The taxpayer pays for it - they make a token contribution

pensions are protected under the constitution under property rights (and rightly so) . You'd need a referendum to change this.

on a tangent
I find it bizarre people champion the state/courts to have the power to strip somebody's pension...not realising it could be used to strip you of yours.
insanity

P.Walnuts

realdanbreen wrote: »

The Independent may well be reporting it but that means f**k all in terms of accuracy.
How do they know who was driving the bike? Truth is they don't know but go on with this sort of reporting all the time and get away with it and are never held to account.

How are you so sure they don't know?

Fiftyfilthy

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I thought Patsy was in complete lockdown tbh, last week I actually misremembered him as one of the deceased. He went into hiding last year after a bunch of "Patsy dies = feud ends" slogans were spray painted in various locations around his neighbourhood. Perhaps Patrick is going to hide in the same location that Patsy is hiding in?

I have to wonder what kind of terms The Monk's family are on with him at the moment - it's not a stretch to speculate that he could regarded as responsible, through the botched Regency hit, for all the bloodshed which has been visited on his family since (even if it started with Gary Hutch's murder). Wonder if they hold that against him, I can imagine it could be a very bitter situation all around.

He lives in his house

Kivaro

imme wrote: »

Ireland is easy, that's why,

Ireland has a feckless attitude.

Nigerians keep coming.

It doesn't matter that there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, THANKFULLY, they just keep coming.

Why wouldn't you leave a fooked up country in the 3rd World and fetch up in a 1st World country.

Why should it matter if the country you want to go to will have to pay for your new life.

Sometime soon, it will be just too late.
It won't matter for the likes of Zappone, who will be back in the States, and Leo and Coveney will be living and working in Brussels.

JohnnyFlash

Kivaro wrote: »

Sometime soon, it will be just too late.
It won't matter for the likes of Zappone, who will be back in the States, and Leo and Coveney will be living and working in Brussels.

Eh, have you been to Brussels recently??

TeaBagMania

Kivaro wrote: »

Sometime soon, it will be just too late.

already is

Billy86

Deleted - wrong thread.

weldoninhio

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Eh, have you been to Brussels recently??

I doubt Leo and Simon will be living in Moulenbeek.

BBFAN

Billy86 wrote: »

If we bump this thread a year from today to prove otherwise, will any of the posters claiming our government will now rush to take her in admit they were wrong?

The UK are right to try and keep her out, but claims that ireland will rush to accept her is little more than a fantasy. And I say fantasy because I get the impression some do actually want that to happen so they can feed their own conspiracy theories more.

What???

Think you may have wondered into the wrong thread love.

Blanco100

I havent been in Balbriggan in years? Has it gone downhill rapidly with widespread crime etc??

Used to be a lovely spot

imme

leakyboots wrote: »

https://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/population/2017/Chapter_5_Diversity.pdf

Sorry but you're talking complete bull.

If you actually read the CSO statistics the numbers of Nigerians that 'keep coming' here is actually dropping steadily for this decade. It's Romanians, Brazilians and Spanish that 'keep coming' here.

Nigerians don't even make it into the Top 10 nationalities resident here numbers-wise anymore!

Spain and Romania are EU memberstates.
Nigeria is not an EU memberstate.
We have no connection with Nigeria whatsover, no shared history or culture, you could say we are miles apart, oh wait, yes we are, thousands and thousands of miles apart.

Brazil for some unexplainable reason is included in the unexplainable English language scam that we do in Ireland.

Poor people come, pay to 'attend' English language schools and get to live here forever effectively.

Why so?
Again because Ireland is feckless.

kowloon

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I'm well aware of that. The train from Balbriggan joins up with the dart line.

So they're commuting to cause trouble?

GinAndBitter

kowloon wrote: »

So they're commuting to cause trouble?

It certainly seems that way

https://www.google.com/amp/www.thejournal.ie/clontarf-muggings-4377172-Dec2018/%3famp=1

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/pregnant-woman-threatened-gang-up-13545298

Kivaro

imme wrote: »

Spain and Romania are EU memberstates.
Nigeria is not an EU memberstate.
We have no connection with Nigeria whatsover, no shared history or culture, you could say we are miles apart, oh wait, yes we are, thousands and thousands of miles apart.

Brazil for some unexplainable reason is included in the unexplainable English language scam that we do in Ireland.

Poor people come, pay to 'attend' English language schools and get to live here forever effectively.

Why so?
Again because Ireland is feckless.

I'll give you a hint: many times it involves pram-pushing after being here a number of months. Lots and lots of Brazilian pram-pushers in my locality in the last year or so.

twowheelsonly

Jizique wrote: »

Not sure where the idea that cops pay for their pension through contributions comes from; they come nowhere near it, but whatever.
The taxpayer pays for it - they make a token contribution

Well if it's anything like mine (PS also) my 'token contribution' was €331.12 in my last fortnightly docket.
Technically you are correct though as despite being labelled 'Pension' it's going into the general tax pot and goes towards the current pensioners and not my own.

I still don't see why you'd think that a Gardas pension could be stopped though when all of the subjects of this topic, including the Monk and Jaws Byrne etc., are entitled to an old age pension on top of a lifetime of welfare payments despite never paying a penny tax in their lives.

Gone OT now so I'll leave it at that...