New ferry service from Ringaskiddy to Spain

Widdensushi

That routes main target market is for lorries, people who will use it for cars will mainly be people who will be going for a couple of months, or bringing bicycles, equipment etc with them, contractors who want to bring their own tools, it's a completely different market than hopping on a plane for a week in the sun

Rows Grower

Widdensushi wrote: »

That routes main target market is for lorries, people who will use it for cars will mainly be people who will be going for a couple of months, or bringing bicycles, equipment etc with them, contractors who want to bring their own tools, it's a completely different market than hopping on a plane for a week in the sun

Thanks for the explanation First Up.

BoatMad

having done a few holidays in france, bringing my own car, via rosslare roscoff/Cherbourgh , I can say that taking your own car is now an extraordinary expensive option , so outside a few camper vans, I don think the new service is aimed at tourists at all ( which is confirmed by the prohibition on walk-on passengers etc )

In fact recently I went to Shrewsbury on the ferry and by far the cheapest way was walk-on followed by 24 hour car rental in the UK, well over half the price of bringing my own car on

dave

very few normal tourists will want their own car, ferries and fuel make the whole thing way more expensive then flying and local car hire

First Up

Rows Grower wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

It makes perfect sense. Would you like me to explain it to you?

Please do.

Right so;

There are reasons why people like to bring their own car. These include going to a remote area, a multi-stop itinerary, bringing a lot of gear (tents, bikes, surfboards), wanting to bring stuff back (e.g wine) or even a dislike or fear of flying. If none of those things apply and you plan to just sit on a beach, then it is quicker and probably cheaper to fly. Two different solutions for two different types of trip. With me so far?

If you want to take your car to Spain, you have to take it on a ferry, so the question becomes which ferry.

Until now, the options were (1) Rosslare or Cork to France and a drive south through France to Spain, or (2) a ferry to Holyhead, drive to Southampton and another boat to Spain or (3) the "landbridge" across the UK for a cross-channel ferry or the Chunnel and the drive to Spain.

The new Cork-Santander ferry is a new option.

The choice will be based on a preference for a longish time cooped up on a ferry, or a preference for the flexibility to stop or detour on the journey south through France.

I hope that helps.

BoatMad

There are reasons why people like to bring their own car. These include going to a remote area, a multi-stop itinerary, bringing a lot of gear (tents, bikes, surfboards), wanting to bring stuff back (e.g wine) or even a dislike or fear of flying. If none of those things apply and you plan to just sit on a beach, then it is quicker and probably cheaper to fly. Two different solutions for two different types of trip. With me so far?

remote area, fly and hire
multi stop , fly and hire returning to a different drop off
bringing a lot of gear, it may be actually cheaper to ship via courier or road in advance
bring back wine, you'll buy an awful lot of wine in Obriens for 1400 quid , thanks ,

unless your holiday is intrinsically vehicle based ( like camper cans or caravans) then current costs of fuel and ferries make own car based holidays nonsense, economically speaking. it was a common thing too do when airlines fares were in the clouds, now it just looks stupid

Rows Grower

First Up wrote: »

Right so;

There are reasons why people like to bring their own car. These include going to a remote area, a multi-stop itinerary, bringing a lot of gear (tents, bikes, surfboards), wanting to bring stuff back (e.g wine) or even a dislike or fear of flying. If none of those things apply and you plan to just sit on a beach, then it is quicker and probably cheaper to fly. Two different solutions for two different types of trip. With me so far?

If you want to take your car to Spain, you have to take it on a ferry, so the question becomes which ferry.

Until now, the options were (1) Rosslare or Cork to France and a drive south through France to Spain, or (2) a ferry to Holyhead, drive to Southampton and another boat to Spain or (3) the "landbridge" across the UK for a cross-channel ferry or the Chunnel and the drive to Spain.

The new Cork-Santander ferry is a new option.

The choice will be based on a preference for a longish time cooped up on a ferry, or a preference for the flexibility to stop or detour on the journey south through France.

I hope that helps.

You're not really understanding why you're making no sense but thank you for the time and effort you put into formulating that post.

First Up

Rows Grower wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

Right so;

There are reasons why people like to bring their own car. These include going to a remote area, a multi-stop itinerary, bringing a lot of gear (tents, bikes, surfboards), wanting to bring stuff back (e.g wine) or even a dislike or fear of flying. If none of those things apply and you plan to just sit on a beach, then it is quicker and probably cheaper to fly. Two different solutions for two different types of trip. With me so far?

If you want to take your car to Spain, you have to take it on a ferry, so the question becomes which ferry.

Until now, the options were (1) Rosslare or Cork to France and a drive south through France to Spain, or (2) a ferry to Holyhead, drive to Southampton and another boat to Spain or (3) the "landbridge" across the UK for a cross-channel ferry or the Chunnel and the drive to Spain.

The new Cork-Santander ferry is a new option.

The choice will be based on a preference for a longish time cooped up on a ferry, or a preference for the flexibility to stop or detour on the journey south through France.

I hope that helps.

You're not really understanding why you're making no sense but thank you for the time and effort you put into formulating that post.

No bother. Sorry you can't follow it.

BoatMad

First Up wrote: »

Right so;

There are reasons why people like to bring their own car. These include going to a remote area, a multi-stop itinerary, bringing a lot of gear (tents, bikes, surfboards), wanting to bring stuff back (e.g wine) or even a dislike or fear of flying. If none of those things apply and you plan to just sit on a beach, then it is quicker and probably cheaper to fly. Two different solutions for two different types of trip. With me so far?

If you want to take your car to Spain, you have to take it on a ferry, so the question becomes which ferry.

Until now, the options were (1) Rosslare or Cork to France and a drive south through France to Spain, or (2) a ferry to Holyhead, drive to Southampton and another boat to Spain or (3) the "landbridge" across the UK for a cross-channel ferry or the Chunnel and the drive to Spain.

The new Cork-Santander ferry is a new option.

The choice will be based on a preference for a longish time cooped up on a ferry, or a preference for the flexibility to stop or detour on the journey south through France.

I hope that helps.

26 hours on a ferry , through the night with a cabin is not a long time,

its about 1200 km from Cherbourg to that area of Spain, at say 8 litres per 100 km, thats about 72 litres or about 150-200 euros in Diesel plus almost 80-100 in tolls

round trip thats around 500-600 euros plus around 400 for the Cherbourg ferry

The ferry isnt even that competitive with driving down to that area

First Up

BoatMad wrote: »

There are reasons why people like to bring their own car. These include going to a remote area, a multi-stop itinerary, bringing a lot of gear (tents, bikes, surfboards), wanting to bring stuff back (e.g wine) or even a dislike or fear of flying. If none of those things apply and you plan to just sit on a beach, then it is quicker and probably cheaper to fly. Two different solutions for two different types of trip. With me so far?

remote area, fly and hire
multi stop , fly and hire returning to a different drop off
bringing a lot of gear, it may be actually cheaper to ship via courier or road in advance
bring back wine, you'll buy an awful lot of wine in Obriens for 1400 quid , thanks ,

unless your holiday is intrinsically vehicle based ( like camper cans or caravans) then current costs of fuel and ferries make own car based holidays nonsense, economically speaking. it was a common thing too do when airlines fares were in the clouds, now it just looks stupid

If you want to challenge the logic of taking a car to the continent, go right ahead but that isn't really the point. If people wish to bring their cars (as the growing number of ferries suggest many do) then its actually just about which one to take.

As for wine, you can offset a substantial part of your travel costs by buying a quantity in France or Spain.

BoatMad

First Up wrote: »

If you want to challenge the logic of taking a car to the continent, go right ahead but that isn't really the point. If people wish to bring their cars (as the growing number of ferries suggest many do) then its actually just about which one to take.

As for wine, you can offset a substantial part of your travel costs by buying a quantity in France or Spain.

what " growing number " of ferries ?

this is predominantly a freight orientated service

First Up

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

If you want to challenge the logic of taking a car to the continent, go right ahead but that isn't really the point. If people wish to bring their cars (as the growing number of ferries suggest many do) then its actually just about which one to take.

As for wine, you can offset a substantial part of your travel costs by buying a quantity in France or Spain.

what " growing number " of ferries ?

this is predominantly a freight orientated service

I think two new ships serving Ireland to France qualifies as "growing".

BoatMad

First Up wrote: »

I think two new ships serving Ireland to France qualifies as "growing".

if you look at the combined ferry services, out of this country , there has been little growth and in fact we lost a major ferry service some years ago.

Car based holidays are not a growth area and less likely in the future

This service will largely be freight orientated as there are good reasons for trucks to use it

First Up

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

I think two new ships serving Ireland to France qualifies as "growing".

if you look at the combined ferry services, out of this country , there has been little growth and in fact we lost a major ferry service some years ago.

Car based holidays are not a growth area and less likely in the future

This service will largely be freight orientated as there are good reasons for trucks to use it

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

BoatMad

First Up wrote: »

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

I know the WB Yeats is scheduled to supplement the french route , but I understood thats only for the 2018 Summer , its primarily designed for the UK traffic

mind you Brexit may divert that

Gorgeousgeorge

My brother and i will be foot passengers on this route when it opens. Get off and spend 3 or 4 days walking about. Cant wait

First Up

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

I know the WB Yeats is scheduled to supplement the french route , but I understood thats only for the 2018 Summer , its primarily designed for the UK traffic

mind you Brexit may divert that

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

I know the WB Yeats is scheduled to supplement the french route , but I understood thats only for the 2018 Summer , its primarily designed for the UK traffic

mind you Brexit may divert that

So do you want to revise your comment about car based holidays being on the way out?

First Up

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

I know the WB Yeats is scheduled to supplement the french route , but I understood thats only for the 2018 Summer , its primarily designed for the UK traffic

mind you Brexit may divert that

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

I know the WB Yeats is scheduled to supplement the french route , but I understood thats only for the 2018 Summer , its primarily designed for the UK traffic

mind you Brexit may divert that

So do you want to revise your comment about car based holidays being on the way out?

Have you tried booking yet? I thought I read somewhere that only car passengers will be allowed.

First Up

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

I know the WB Yeats is scheduled to supplement the french route , but I understood thats only for the 2018 Summer , its primarily designed for the UK traffic

mind you Brexit may divert that

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

If you look a bit more closely you will see that Irish Ferries just spent €144 million on a new ship that will carry 1,200 cars from Dublin to Cherbourg three times a week this summer. Thats in addition to the Oscar Wilde from Rosslare which has been close to capacity the many times I've used it (unless I was using the equally busy Pont Aven from Cork to Roscoff.)

And a good few cars squeeze onto the Stena Horizon and the IF Epsilon too.

I know the WB Yeats is scheduled to supplement the french route , but I understood thats only for the 2018 Summer , its primarily designed for the UK traffic

mind you Brexit may divert that

So do you want to revise your comment about car based holidays being on the way out?

First Up

Gorgeousgeorge wrote: »

My brother and i will be foot passengers on this route when it opens. Get off and spend 3 or 4 days walking about. Cant wait

Have you tried booking yet? I thought I read somewhere that only car passengers are allowed.

First Up

Sorry if some of these posts look weird. Doing them on the phone and the app is playing up

Gorgeousgeorge

First Up wrote: »

Have you tried booking yet? I thought I read somewhere that only car passengers are allowed.

Nope not yet its not open for booking until april i think.

Plenty of ways around that.

BoatMad

First Up wrote: »

So do you want to revise your comment about car based holidays being on the way out?

not at all, rising fuel costs have dammed it to extinction, it takes no sense, It was not a feature of 19th century travel nor will it be a feature of later 21th century travel either IMHO

First Up

BoatMad wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

So do you want to revise your comment about car based holidays being on the way out?

not at all, rising fuel costs have dammed it to extinction, it takes no sense, It was not a feature of 19th century travel nor will it be a feature of later 21th century travel either IMHO

Fascinating. So are other forms of transport immune to rising fuel costs?

How is the development of hybrid commercial aircraft coming along?

Rows Grower

First Up wrote: »

Sorry if some of these posts look weird. Doing them on the phone and the app is playing up

What's your excuse for the rest of them?

Widdensushi

Rows Grower wrote: »

What's your excuse for the rest of them?

Fair play, it only took twelve days to come up with that.

First Up

Rows Grower wrote: »

First Up wrote: »

Sorry if some of these posts look weird. Doing them on the phone and the app is playing up

What's your excuse for the rest of them?

Hah hah.

I'll take my chances.

Rows Grower

Widdensushi wrote: »

Fair play, it only took twelve days to come up with that.

The man who made time, made loads of it.

But not enough to take that ferry.

First Up

Rows Grower wrote: »

Widdensushi wrote: »

Fair play, it only took twelve days to come up with that.

The man who made time, made loads of it.

But not enough to take that ferry.

I've not ruled it out. Its a lot of time on a not great ship but there's a bit to be said for a lot less driving.

If I was heading to southern France or north east Spain I'd give it very serious consideration. I'll be going to the Valencia - Alicante region later in the year and I'll certainly think about this route but its hard to compete with the cheap flights and convenience.

Rows Grower

First Up wrote: »

I've not ruled it out. Its a lot of time on a not great ship but there's a bit to be said for a lot less driving.

If I was heading to southern France or north east Spain I'd give it very serious consideration. I'll be going to the Valencia - Alicante region later in the year and I'll certainly think about this route but its hard to compete with the cheap flights and convenience.

It's another option but not likely to appeal to the vast majority.

I can see it being advantageous to the small time Irish shellfish co-op member
or even being a lifeline to some small independent trawlers.

It's a badly needed service, long may it last.