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Jordan Peterson interview on C4

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    #3212
    Brian?
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    I don't think gay marriage is an important moral question of our time. You must really live in a bubble if you think it is.

    Sorry horse, but the Right and left have both made it a huge deal.

    It shouldn’t be though. It should be given that people who love each other can get married. A lot of religious fundamentalists seem to disagree.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3213
    Brian?
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Don't you mean, 'If you don't like him because you distrust all people you consider right wing, you're going to have to wade through tons of his literature and lectures to find something to discredit him?'

    I googled smoking Jordan Peterson. This was the first result to come up. I took a look at it (sped up, I don't have all day). It seemed eminently reasonable. Religion got mentioned briefly at the end, but not in a way that could be used against him. El Duderino would have to move onto several more videos before he could find some smoking gun to make him look like a religious nut, which is why he can't be arsed doing it at all.


    That’s the best video I’ve ever seen of Peterson. Straight forward and to the point. I’d like to hear more about that.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3214
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Sorry horse, but the Right and left have both made it a huge deal.
    Not really. Some on the so-called right and left, whatever they are. I think a lot of people don't think about it that much.
    It shouldn’t be though. It should be given that people who love each other can get married. A lot of religious fundamentalists seem to disagree
    .

    And they are free to. But it doesn't matter anyway. It's here now.


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    #3215
    Roger Hassenforder
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    https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/victoria-white/who-decided-that-career-is-more-important-than-love-and-family-473102.html

    Victoria White(Examiner today) seems to see some merit in 12Rules


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    #3216
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/victoria-white/who-decided-that-career-is-more-important-than-love-and-family-473102.html

    Victoria White(Examiner today) seems to see some merit in 12Rules

    Victoria White is a) a dose, and b) a defender of a stereotyped gender roles, beyond what one would have hoped is the point of parody. (Parody is really having to up its game these days, though.)


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    #3217
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    I’ve no interest at all in the nonsense of American identity politics, but found this a very interesting piece in the Atlantic magazine.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-the-left-is-so-afraid-of-jordan-peterson/567110/


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    #3218
    kunst nugget
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    I’ve no interest at all in the nonsense of American identity politics, but found this a very interesting piece in the Atlantic magazine.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-the-left-is-so-afraid-of-jordan-peterson/567110/

    Yeah, that's an interesting article.

    That Sarah Jeong/NYT controversy mentioned in that article is just an absolute joke - someone compiled every tweet of hers relating to white people here. It's unbelievable.


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    #3219
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    I’ve no interest at all in the nonsense of American identity politics, but found this a very interesting piece in the Atlantic magazine.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/why-the-left-is-so-afraid-of-jordan-peterson/567110/

    A lot like the Victoria White piece, except written by someone that's able to write somewhat.


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    #3220
    coffee_cake
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    alaimacerc wrote: »
    A lot like the Victoria White piece, except written by someone that's about to write somewhat.

    that article says absolutely nothing. bizarre.


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    #3221
    El_Duderino 09
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    xckjoo wrote: »
    Akrasia wrote: »
    stop misinterpreting him El Duderino.

    You have to read his books and watch all of his lectures to get what he is 'really' saying.


    Well considering he stated Peterson was against gay marriage but in the actual video of him discussing it he states he's undecided, it doesn't exactly scream of doing due diligence. Minor levels of research to back up your claims isn't asking for a lot.
    No. I said he was careful not to support gay marriage as a nod to his right wing fan base. If he actually came out against gay marriage he’d look a fool. So he didn’t do that. He just smudged the issue in that video by bringing children’s outcomes into it.


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    #3222
    El_Duderino 09
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    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Akrasia wrote: »
    stop misinterpreting him El Duderino.

    You have to read his books and watch all of his lectures to get what he is 'really' saying.

    Don't you mean, 'If you don't like him because you distrust all people you consider right wing, you're going to have to wade through tons of his literature and lectures to find something to discredit him?'

    I googled smoking Jordan Peterson. This was the first result to come up. I took a look at it (sped up, I don't have all day). It seemed eminently reasonable. Religion got mentioned briefly at the end, but not in a way that could be used against him. El Duderino would have to move onto several more videos before he could find some smoking gun to make him look like a religious nut, which is why he can't be arsed doing it at all.


    I watched his discussion with Matt Dillahunty about the existence of god. He’s a religious but.

    He actually said you can’t really give up smoking without having a mystical experience, and mystical experiences are evidence for god.

    It’s bonkers stuff. It could only be convincing to someone who already assumes the conclusion that god exists. Which is similar to much of the rest of it. It might be interesting to someone if they already agree with the conclusion. That’s why he really only pics topics his right wing base already agree with.


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    #3223
    xckjoo
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    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    I mentioned a few right wing issues he points to in the last post. Guess which side of the gay matriage debate he stands on?


    Sorry, the highlighted section above is what I was taking as you saying he was against gay marriage. On second viewing, it's literally a question so that was me jumping to conclusions. Mea culpa :pac:
    I don't personally have an issue with him not having a hard-line point-of-view on everything. I wish it was a bit more common to be honest. Too much emphasis on everyone being right all the time doesn't leave room to grow/change/evolve. People just shift the goalposts to pretend they were right all along instead of learning anything.



    I do wish he'd ease up on the God stuff though. It seems to be getting more prevalent. Couldn't care less if he was a hard-core Scientologist waiting for L. Ron himself to return, anything interesting he has to say on human development is getting swamped by the white noise of religious discussion.


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    #3224
    20Cent
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    Petersons 15 minutes are up.
    Now supporting Tommy Robinson.

    https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1029078898695438336


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    #3225
    Outlaw Pete
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    #3226
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Petersons 15 minutes are up.
    Now supporting Tommy Robinson.

    https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1029078898695438336

    Is he supporting him? Where does he say he is?


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    #3227
    Call Me Jimmy
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    I knew it! To think all this time he's been a supporter of due process, finally he has been exposed


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    #3228
    20Cent
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    DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »
    Is he supporting him? Where does he say he is?

    Tweeting a video by one right wing nut which is supporting tommy robinson. Guess everyone will misinterpret him again. How many dog whistles does he have to blow!


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    #3229
    DickSwiveller Returns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller Returns


    20Cent wrote: »
    Tweeting a video by one right wing nut which is supporting tommy robinson. Guess everyone will misinterpret him again. How many dog whistles does he have to blow!

    Right, so you've no evidence that he's supporting him. Thought so.


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    #3230
    Akrasia
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    20Cent wrote: »
    Petersons 15 minutes are up.
    Now supporting Tommy Robinson.

    https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1029078898695438336

    Does Anyone want to summarise that video?

    That Sargon dude really irritates me and I don't want to watch his full video


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    #3231
    alaimacerc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭alaimacerc


    20Cent wrote: »
    Tweeting a video by one right wing nut which is supporting tommy robinson. Guess everyone will misinterpret him again. How many dog whistles does he have to blow!

    Of course he wasn't supporting Tommy Robinson. He was supporting someone who was supporting Tommy Robinson! Very, very, very different. Because if you deny something wordily and self-importantly enough, that in and of itself constitutes deniability!


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    #3232
    alaimacerc
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Does Anyone want to summarise that video?

    That Sargon dude really irritates me and I don't want to watch his full video

    Love to help, but I didn't make it past wondering "... who the heck calls themselves 'Sargon'?", learning that, well, ian anti-feminist gamergater, identitarian, alt-right Ukipper does. And falling to sighing for the state of the world.


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    #3233
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,938 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Akrasia wrote: »
    Does Anyone want to summarise that video?

    That Sargon dude really irritates me and I don't want to watch his full video

    He irritates me as well.
    In summary the government are persecuting poor tommy because they hate freedom of speech. Conspiracy theory nonsense.


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    #3234
    Outlaw Pete
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    20Cent wrote: »
    How many dog whistles does he have to blow!

    I've got a question....

    How come is it that liberals can hear a whistle only dogs are supposed to?


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    #3235
    JRant
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    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    I've got a question....

    How come is it that liberals can hear a whistle only dogs are supposed to?

    It's the same juvenile language you see over in the Donald Trump thread Pete. "Dog whistles", "playing to his base" and "alt-right" being thrown out willy nilly by the same folk as here. They can't just disagree with his point of view, he is "literally" Hitler.

    The retweet about Robinson is quite unambiguous, when the State arrest someone, deny them due process and sentences them to 13 months in prison all in the space of 5 hours then it is very worrying indeed. In fact some might say it is a step in the wrong direction towards a police state. But no, it's a professor in Canada that's the real enemy of the people.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #3236
    Brian?
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    JRant wrote: »
    It's the same juvenile language you see over in the Donald Trump thread Pete. "Dog whistles", "playing to his base" and "alt-right" being thrown out willy nilly by the same folk as here. They can't just disagree with his point of view, he is "literally" Hitler.

    The retweet about Robinson is quite unambiguous, when the State arrest someone, deny them due process and sentences them to 13 months in prison all in the space of 5 hours then it is very worrying indeed. In fact some might say it is a step in the wrong direction towards a police state. But no, it's a professor in Canada that's the real enemy of the people.

    The term “dog whistle” has been around a lot longer than boards.ie . It’s an accurate term for the nudge, nudge, wink, wink support that Trump gives to the alt right. It’s also pretty accurate here. Why would Peterson share a video if he didn’t agree with the content?

    It’s the same carry on with the climate change denial video. Why share if you don’t agree?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3237
    kunst nugget
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    I think Tommy Robinson is a complete asshole and that Sargon fella is an unspeakable twat but the denial of due process in that case is extremely problematic. Treating people like that is abhorrent and counter-productive. It does nothing but expose the rottenness of a justice system and makes martyrs of the people arrested.


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    #3238
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    I've got a question....

    How come is it that liberals can hear a whistle only dogs are supposed to?

    Liberals like Jordan Peterson?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3239
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,136 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I think Tommy Robinson is a complete asshole and that Sargon fella is an unspeakable twat but the denial of due process in that case is extremely problematic. Treating people like that is abhorrent and counter-productive. It does nothing but expose the rottenness of a justice system and makes martyrs of the people arrested.

    The British justice system has always been a disgrace. People can be held at "her majesty's pleasure" at will.

    The problem is that the UK has no written constitution.

    The BNP and it's various children, like the EDL, were only too happy to see the system used against the Irish. Now they're outraged it's being used against one of their own.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #3240
    JRant
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    Brian? wrote: »
    The term “dog whistle” has been around a lot longer than boards.ie . It’s an accurate term for the nudge, nudge, wink, wink support that Trump gives to the alt right. It’s also pretty accurate here. Why would Peterson share a video if he didn’t agree with the content?

    It’s the same carry on with the climate change denial video. Why share if you don’t agree?

    Indeed it has, never claimed boards was it's origin. Still a stupid phrase IMO.

    It's nowhere near an accurate term to be used in this instance either. We allow the state use voilence but with some caveats, eg due process, legal representation, etc. When these are bypassed, for any reason, it's a worrying development whatever your political idealogy may be. It's as simple as that, no dog whistling need apply.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #3241
    DickSwiveller Returns
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    Brian? wrote: »
    The term “dog whistle” has been around a lot longer than boards.ie . It’s an accurate term for the nudge, nudge, wink, wink support that Trump gives to the alt right. It’s also pretty accurate here. Why would Peterson share a video if he didn’t agree with the content?

    It’s the same carry on with the climate change denial video. Why share if you don’t agree?

    He might be opposed to the way Robinson was treated but not support his views.


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