Jordan Peterson interview on C4

Saruhashi

Brian? wrote: »

This goes back to the point I made earlier, that no one had addressed. This is arguing from a position of eminence not evidence. You can simply point to someone’s qualifications as a reason they’re right.

It depends on what you mean, really.

If I call a bookshop and ask them the price of Fire & Fury then I can assume that "this person works in the bookshop" is a pretty good reason why their answer will be right.

OK, if he is talking about cars and his qualification has nothing to do with cars then sure his qualification is not a reason why he is right.

If he is talking about something related to his qualifications then that's fine by me for JP or other people to use his credentials to lend credibility to his views.

Saruhashi

Brian? wrote: »

Don’t be facetious.

Stop being silly then.

Omackeral

Omackeral wrote: »

Well he is a literal professor like...

Brian? wrote: »

This goes back to the point I made earlier, that no one had addressed. This is arguing from a position of eminence not evidence. You can simply point to someone’s qualifications as a reason they’re right.

You're taking that out of context, whether it's deliberate or not. I was quoting a poster who was more or less saying anyone can be a faux intellectual if they just use stats and big words. I was making the point that Jordan Peterson isn't trying to come off as intellectual, he very much is intellectual.

Max Prophet

Brian? wrote: »

Go on. I’d like to hear more.

Beta males tend to have lower testosterone levels, look and act weak and produce fewer sons. It's basic evolution. A hunter gather with beta traits is fair more successful as a female than a male.

Omackeral

Max Prophet wrote: »

Beta males tend to have lower testerone levels, look and act weak and produce fewer sons. It's basic evolution. A hunter gather with beta traits is fair more successful as a female than a male.

People that use phrases such as beta males are generally absolute tools. Generally.

Icemancometh

As an aside, how great is it that Channel 4 did a 30 minute interview with an academic. Much more thought provoking than most news shows. Wish RTE did that sort of thing.

Sonics2k

Max Prophet wrote: »

Beta males tend to have lower testerone levels, look and act weak and produce fewer sons. It's basic evolution. A hunter gather with beta traits is fair more successful as a female than a male.

And with one fell swoop you have decimated all your past and future arguments, by showing and absolute and complete lack of basic knowledge.

buried

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Count the amount of times she says "You're saying..." followed by something that he absolutely did not say. I amazed at his ability to keep calm and composed.

She wanted him to loose it for sure. The way he flipped it back on to her just by simply staying cool is the greatest lesson I'm taking away from this scene. Never loose your cool and never give into agrression with anyone, active or passive. Keep cool, respectful, composed, look them straight in the eye and think about what you are going to say, even if it takes a few seconds. I always try to be like this but it is hard going sometimes!

brevity

Max Prophet wrote: »

Beta males tend to have lower testerone levels, look and act weak and produce fewer sons. It's basic evolution. A hunter gather with beta traits is fair more successful as a female than a male.

Yea...you have no idea what you are talking about.

Rezident

Thanks for this, never heard of this guy before but will check out his videos and books now. We need more of this. Desperately.

What a terrible terrible interviewer! Did she even ask one sensible, unloaded question? He handled the nonsense admirably.

Ipso

Max Prophet wrote: »

Beta males tend to have lower testerone levels, look and act weak and produce fewer sons. It's basic evolution. A hunter gather with beta traits is fair more successful as a female than a male.

Some basic facts to back it up would be great.

Max Prophet

Ipso wrote: »

Some basic facts to back it up would be great.

Monkey see monkey wants.....

Ipso

Max Prophet wrote: »

Monkey see monkey wants.....

What I'd expect from an Omega man.

Max Prophet

Ipso wrote: »

What I'd expect from an Omega man.

I perfer Longines.

professore

Grayditch wrote: »

Why do bloggers on the right always have to use terms like CRUSHED and DESTROYED!!!!'???

It's a bit embarrassing.

You forgot SCHOOLED.

ancapailldorcha

Brian? wrote: »

Agree 100%. He had me mostly onboard until that point. His comment about “the market decides” was a bit out there as well. As if employment was a free market.

I don't see a problem there. Different jobs pay differently because they have different value. A brain surgeon can be reasonably expected to earn more than a lab technician who should be on more than a cleaner.

His stuff about the left wanting to destroy society is the typical North American far right bollo*ks and probably why he's adored so much by them.

professore

Max Prophet wrote: »

Beta males tend to have lower testerone levels, look and act weak and produce fewer sons. It's basic evolution. A hunter gather with beta traits is fair more successful as a female than a male.

What's testerone? A hormone that makes you good at tests? Surely geeky beta males would have more of that one :D:D

benjamin d

professore wrote: »

You forgot SCHOOLED.

This nonsense is equally likely from the far left.

Both extremes are stupid. Utterly stupid. But I think it's a sign I'm growing old that in recent times I find it much easier to see through the shìte to the underlying point the right-leaning crowd are trying to make than what the left equivalent is saying. I'm sure posts to follow will tell me how wrong I am.

dd972

I'm not that bothered that Utd didn't sign him, he's not as good as Pogba.

benjamin d

dd972 wrote: »

I'm not that bothered that Utd didn't sign him, he's not as good as Pogba.

Can we put "hilariously replying to a different topic" in whatever box "Yore Ma" posts were sent to?

QuietMan2010

Brian? wrote: »

Has anyone said a crime was committed? Genuinely curious. I know the police were called in to review comments.

Police were called in? Where is the evidence to support this statement?

Ipso

benjamin d wrote: »

This nonsense is equally likely from the far left.

Both extremes are stupid. Utterly stupid. But I think it's a sign I'm growing old that in recent times I find it much easier to see through the shìte to the underlying point the right-leaning crowd are trying to make than what the left equivalent is saying. I'm sure posts to follow will tell me how wrong I am.

This sh1t is prevalent everywhere. Look at the nonsense from the wonderful Liberal bastion, The Huffington Post.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/axl-rose-tweet-nunes_us_5a62d008e4b0dc592a08e8d5

Ulysses Gaze

Ipso wrote: »

This sh1t is prevalent everywhere. Look at the nonsense from the wonderful Liberal bastion, The Huffington Post.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/axl-rose-tweet-nunes_us_5a62d008e4b0dc592a08e8d5

Yes, but The Huffington Post completely jumped the Shark and lost all credibility when they published an article claiming that Muhammad was a feminist.

Ipso

Given their embrace of Oprah level woo woo they have been air borne since inception.

20Cent

He's got a two and a half hour video on YouTube titles "identity politics and the Marxist lie of white privilege" for the alpha male non cucks getting withdrawl symptoms.

benjamin d

20Cent wrote: »

He's got a two and a half hour video on YouTube titles "identity politics and the Marxist lie of white privilege" for the alpha male non cucks getting withdrawl symptoms.

Another thing for you to not watch

Pepefrogok

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Yes, but The Huffington Post completely jumped the Shark and lost all credibility when they published an article claiming that Mohammad was a feminist.

Or their recent article on how the Canadian girl who made up the fake hate attack with some man cutting her hijab deserved an apology! Or their recent glee about the new loreal hair model who wears a head scarf who incidentally resigned today due to a lot of anti-jewish tweets! Huff post is a snake pit!

Pepefrogok

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Or their recent article on how the Canadian girls who made up the fake hate attack with some man cutting her hijab deserved an apology! Or their recent glee about the new loreal hair model who wears a head scarf who incidentally resigned today due to a lot of anti-jewish tweets! Huff post is a snake pit!

In refrence to the head scarf wearing hair model that had the progressives clapping like seals who stood down over her antisemitic tweets check out this article on the left wing BBC, the head line and first few paragraphs imply that she stood down because of all the nasty right wingers making a big deal out of her being selected as a model for hair, only later does it mention her anti Jewish hatred.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-42779188

20Cent

benjamin d wrote: »

Another thing for you to not watch

True since there is such a thing as white privilege.

Ulysses Gaze

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Or their recent article on how the Canadian girls who made up the fake hate attack with some man cutting her hijab deserved an apology! Or their recent glee about the new loreal hair model
who wears a head scarf who incidentally resigned today due to a lot of anti-jewish tweets! Huff post is a snake pit!

My favourite article written in the Huff Post was one that was written by a man dressed in drag who fooled the Huff Post in South Africa that he was a Philosophy MA Student. He wrote an article calling for White men to be denied the franchise.

Read about it here.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/04/25/a-huffpost-column-calling-to-disenfranchise-white-men-is-declared-hate-speech-in-south-africa/?utm_term=.918637c3bf8a

Pepefrogok

Pepefrogok wrote: »

In refrence to the head scarf wearing hair model that had the progressives clapping like seals who stood down over her antisemitic tweets check out this article on the left wing BBC, the head line and first few paragraphs imply Thatcher stood down because of all the nasty right wingers making a big deal out of her being selected as a model for hair, only later does it mention her anti Jewish hatred.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-42779188

Can you imagine the headline being anything other than "x person stands down after islamaphobic tweets become public" if the situation was slightly different? Loreal's new diversity push ain't working out to well, remember the progressives last champion of female beauty products, she was perfect for them! A male to female trans and a minority to boot! Yeah turned out to be a massive anti-white racist and had to stand down also! Joke.

benjamin d

20Cent wrote: »

True since there is such a thing as white privilege.

I didn't argue with you. And I can't be arsed, to be quite honest.

tritium

20Cent wrote: »

True since there is such a thing as white privilege.

What about in Zimbabwe?

The Rape of Lucretia

I think it is unfair to criticise someone who found themselves on television while literally hallucinating. Try it some time. Not so easy to hold a high level academic conversation while you are tripping.

markodaly

Brian? wrote: »

Who’s this “Brain” character?

I'm Dyslexic, so pardon my bad spelling, never-mind that its against the charter but anyway. Its obvious I am on about you, so after you congratulate yourself on a low blow, highlighting my condition perhaps you can answer the question.

What would you deem an intelligent Feminist?

A Little Pony

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Ipso wrote: »

This sh1t is prevalent everywhere. Look at the nonsense from the wonderful Liberal bastion, The Huffington Post.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/axl-rose-tweet-nunes_us_5a62d008e4b0dc592a08e8d5

Yes, but The Huffington Post completely jumped the Shark and lost all credibility when they published an article claiming that Muhammad was a feminist.

Now that is funny. A bit like that Muslim woman on the Australian show Q&A saying Islam is the most feminist religion. You can only laugh.

Galwayguy35

Very interesting video, I must admit I hadn't heard of Dr Peterson before this but it's a pleasure to listen to someone who knows what they are talking about and refuse to be baited by feminist interviewers.

markodaly

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

His stuff about the left wanting to destroy society is the typical North American far right bollo*ks and probably why he's adored so much by them.

Except that is not what he said but carry on.

markodaly

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Yes, but The Huffington Post completely jumped the Shark and lost all credibility when they published an article claiming that Muhammad was a feminist.

Didn't they state, when they heard that Trump was running for the presidency that they will cover it, in their entertainment section only?

Egg, meet face.

Noel82

I especially loved the part where she froze and came to the sudden realization that her grilling his viewpoints and putting him on the defensive is no different than him questioning the logic behind the pronoun nonsense in the same scenario. Why should those people and that argument be protected from criticism but not a Professors viewpoint who has vastly superior knowledge and who can articulate far beyond the logic and reasoning of those she's trying to defend. When you break it down on it's merit it's insanity and becomes glaringly obvious many of these talking points are solely emotionally charged and not based in fact and their foundations fall apart when even the smallest light is shone on them.

Pepefrogok

20Cent wrote: »

True since there is such a thing as white privilege.

There's really not! There is such a thing as differences in culture between racial groups! For example though many black Americans have took advantage of the opportunities that living in a country like America afforded them, Obama for example, there are significant problems within the community as a whole, for example absenteeism from fathers, the glorification of violence in rap culture and looking down on fellow blacks who chase success in education and employment as uncle Tom's!

Hell whites are not even the most successful group in America, that would be Asians, mostly Indians yet none talks of brown privilege! The whole white privilege thing is just a tool for the left to avoid talking about the real problems, it's actually also pretty racist as it strips black people of agency and makes them more like unruly children unable to help themselves, for example...

"what should be done about the fact that black people only make up 13% of the population yet are responsible for over half of all murders in America?"

Typical liberal response..

"The problem he is white privilege, we need to focus on that!"

20Cent

Pepefrogok wrote: »

There's really not! There is such a thing as differences in culture between racial groups! For example though many black Americans have took advantage of the opportunities that living in a country like America afforded them, Obama for example, there are significant problems within the community as a whole, for example absenteeism from fathers, the glorification of violence in rap culture and looking down on fellow blacks who chase success in education and employment as uncle Tom's!

Hell whites are not even the most successful group in America, that would be Asians, mostly Indians yet none talks of brown privilege! The whole white privilege thing is just a tool for the left to avoid talking about the real problems, it's actually also pretty racist as it strips black people of agency and makes them more like unruly children unable to help themselves, for example...

"what should be done about the fact that black people only make up 13% of the population yet are responsible for over half of all murders in America?"

Typical liberal response..

"The problem he is white privilege, we need to focus on that!"

Username checks out.

Pepefrogok

20Cent wrote: »

Username checks out.

Exactly the response i expected.

GerryDerpy

I love Peterson. Before him I was a suicidal white straight male that was somehow privileged and an oppressor of women. Some privilege that was.

Max Prophet

20Cent wrote: »

Username checks out.

Wow aren't you the smart one !

Brian?

markodaly wrote: »

I'm Dyslexic, so pardon my bad spelling, never-mind that its against the charter but anyway. Its obvious I am on about you, so after you congratulate yourself on a low blow, highlighting my condition perhaps you can answer the question.

Ah come on now, it was an easy joke. People spell my name wrong all the time, I was making light of it. Apologies if it caused any offense.

What would you deem an intelligent Feminist?

Do you honestly believe there are no intelligent feminists? There are plenty of feminists who work in fields not directly related to psychology or sociology, who are extremely intelligent. There are also plenty of wailing feminists who I have little or no respect for.

Susan Blackmore. An evolutionary psychologist is an extremely intelligent feminist, who spends very little time talking about feminism.

khaldrogo

Max Prophet wrote:

Beta males tend to produce girls.

[Sadface] I must be a beta so

Buddly

Brian? wrote: »

Agree 100%. He had me mostly onboard until that point. His comment about “the market decides” was a bit out there as well. As if employment was a free market.

Employment markets are made up of people who want to be employed who have choices. Maybe he meant that these people decide where they want to go and sort themselves out that way. 'The market decides' that more women are in healthcare, meaning that more women than men through everyone's own free will end up in healthcare.

That is on the assumption that there is no other distortions at play, such as prejudice, which of course needs to be addressed.

His point that we shouldn't be aiming for equality of outcome is a subtle one that needs more attention. Work on equality of opportunity. When it comes to the outcome - let the market decide!

Brian?

Saruhashi wrote: »

It depends on what you mean, really.

If I call a bookshop and ask them the price of Fire & Fury then I can assume that "this person works in the bookshop" is a pretty good reason why their answer will be right.

OK, if he is talking about cars and his qualification has nothing to do with cars then sure his qualification is not a reason why he is right.

If he is talking about something related to his qualifications then that's fine by me for JP or other people to use his credentials to lend credibility to his views.

He's a professor of psychology talking about economics at times.

If he presents data to prove his assertions, even made in his own field, I'm fine with that. But the assertion that he's correct simply because he holds a Phd doesn't hold any water for me. He didn't have time to present any such data in this interview, so I am not actually arguing if he's right or wrong. I am arguing that his qualifications shouldn't be used to stifle debate on the subject matter, more proof is needed.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Just watched the debate!

Lol lol. Peterson totally owned her! Total annihilation. It was a thing of beauty to see. All her feminist claptrap being destroyed right before her eyes. She was getting saltier as iuut went on but she just wasn't able to handle his superior intellectual onslaught!