2018-2027 National Development Plan

marno21

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Is it set in stone that there will be 3 roundabouts? I would have thought they'd keep it a similar spec to the Charlestown and Ballaghaderreen bypasses which are completely free flow. A bit disappointing if that's the case.

Is it not possible to put in grade separated junctions due to the delicate archaeological environment?

Yes, 3 roundabouts. Traffic volumes are too low for anything else.

This stretch of N5 when built will likely be the quietest section of national primary road in the country (aside from the N12/N16 which have no or limited upgrade plans respectively). Hence the low spec

HabibiLibnen

I thought there was also an exit planned for Ballinagare?

loyatemu

HabibiLibnen wrote: »

It's not that they didn't go ahead with major infrastructure projects like the Metro during the recession that annoys people, it's the fact they scrapped them completely.

the economy has only recovered in the last couple of years, whilst those projects were designed over 10 years ago, at the very least they would have required re-assessment and any planning permissions would have lapsed.

You probably can't just start building something based on designs from over a decade ago, as too many thing might have changed in the meantime.

neiljung

Thanks for the great updates.

Are the route options for the Mallow bypass available to view anywhere?

Has it been officially confirmed that the M20 will include a section of the Cork NRR? It's makes absolute sense that it should but it's confirmed anywhere?

marno21

neiljung wrote: »

Thanks for the great updates.

Are the route options for the Mallow bypass available to view anywhere?

Has it been officially confirmed that the M20 will include a section of the Cork NRR? It's makes absolute sense that it should but it's confirmed anywhere?

Routes for the Mallow relief road: http://johnpauloshea.ie/mallow-traffic-congestion-end-northern-relief-road-moves-step-closer-fruition/

Simon Coveney stated on the day the NDP was published that the M20 project includes the M40 North Ring East. The M20 project hasn't actually published any documentation yet hence the lack of written evidence of this.

marno21

Name of Project|Estimated Cost of Project €m|Project Completion Date|Stage of Project Lifecycle
R407 Sallins By Pass|57|2020|Implementation / Construction
Coonagh to Knockalisheen|52|2022|Planning/design
Athy Southern Distributor Road|34|2023|Planning/design
Adamstown and Nangor Road Upgrade|18|2019|Implementation / Construction
Eastern Garavogue Bridge and Approach Road|26|2022|Planning/Design
Sligo Western Distributor Road|20|2020|Procurement
R498 Latteragh realignment|15|2021|Planning/design
Tralee Northern Relief Road|11|2021|Detailed Appraisal Phase
Portlaoise Southern Distributor Road|7|2019|Implementation / Construction
Laytown to Bettystown Link Road|5|2020|Planning/design
Dingle Relief Road|4|2019|Implementation / Construction
Shannon Crossing/Kilalloe Bypass/R494 Upgrade|50|2023|Planning/design

Latest on regional road upgrades from Shane Ross.

marno21

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0123/1024952-childrens-hospital/

Superb

nuac

"Reprofiling" - new euphemism for cutting.
Expect to hear this word more often as the Childrens' Hospital over-run bites.

Bards

Stop the build, cancel contracts and Invite the Germans to handle the project on our behalf for a quarter of the cost.

Cookiemunster

Bards wrote: »

Stop the build, cancel contracts and Invite the Germans to handle the project on our behalf for a quarter of the cost.

The grass isn't always greener https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Brandenburg_Airport

nuac

That "new" Berlin Airport is a major embarrassment to Germans. Regularly criticised in German press. Everything from political corruption to bats. The WIKI summary is a howl.

marno21

Berlin Brandenburg Airport is a joke but if it was in Ireland it'd currently be on its third redesign with a construction start of approx 2 years into the next recession

L1011

It's a runway and an airport terminal beside an existing airport, not a completely new setup. We'd have both built and open a long time ago. We've built both before

Additionally the terminal is too small for the traffic figures required ALREADY

spacetweek

The cost of some of those minor road schemes is astronomical.

The Athy Southern Distributor will cost 34 million. For a single carriageway road in a town of 10,000 people??

Coonagh to K in Limerick, same standard of road - 52 million????

L1011

Think the Athy one requires some serious CPOing and a relatively hefty bridge - still comes out as 10m/KM though! Could have built a longer road further south but it'd have required a long link road back to the old N78/R418 which is still quite important so maybe end up much the same cost.

Seems there was also some consideration in routing to asbestos dumps, seeing as they used to make asbestos products there.

Charles Babbage

Bards wrote: »

Stop the build, cancel contracts and Invite the Germans to handle the project on our behalf for a quarter of the cost.

We should get the team that built the new Berlin airport.

L1011

Charles Babbage wrote: »

We should get the team that built the new Berlin airport.

You're half a page or so and a lot of debunking late to that one!

road_high

spacetweek wrote: »

The cost of some of those minor road schemes is astronomical.

The Athy Southern Distributor will cost 34 million. For a single carriageway road in a town of 10,000 people??

Coonagh to K in Limerick, same standard of road - 52 million????

34 million for the half arsed Athy “bypass”? Sounds like seriously poor value. They should have gone north of the town and given a proper bypass. No wonder it’s taken forever to move it forward.

marno21

road_high wrote: »

34 million for the half arsed Athy “bypass”? Sounds like seriously poor value. They should have gone north of the town and given a proper bypass. No wonder it’s taken forever to move it forward.

From what I've read this distributor road has been in the plans for many years and was always the precursor to a long term bypass plan. However, like so many other schemes, it has taken an obscenely long length of time to come to fruition

road_high

marno21 wrote: »

From what I've read this distributor road has been in the plans for many years and was always the precursor to a long term bypass plan. However, like so many other schemes, it has taken an obscenely long length of time to come to fruition

This is it, it would be doing very well to even get that much. A long term high quality bypass after that is extremely unlikely, the N78 is really only a local route between north Kilkenny and south Kildare.

marno21

road_high wrote: »

This is it, it would be doing very well to even get that much. A long term high quality bypass after that is extremely unlikely, the N78 is really only a local route between north Kilkenny and south Kildare.

There is questionable merit for the N78 remaining a national road south of Athy too. The M9 being built further west negates the need for it at all, it's not really in good nick and there are more pressing needs for upgrades elsewhere.

marno21

Leo Varadkar stated in the Dail today that he believes the M20 will be a PPP

https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2019-01-29a.240

Given there is €900m of exchequer funding sanctioned for it in the NDP, it'll be interesting to see how this runs.

HabibiLibnen

Not to be political, but the next 8 weeks could decide the fate of the NDP and Ireland 2040. The whole thing is in limbo until we get some clarity on the future relationship between the UK and EU.

marno21

Head of the American Chamber of Commerce in Ireland namechecks transport infrastructure and in particular the M20 & M28 as key projects for the continuing investment of multinationals in Ireland.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/business/huge-drive-to-underpin-innovation-mark-redmond-902671.html

marno21

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0208/1028470-capital-projects/

Ah yes, because we already have a bloated transport capital budget

prunudo

Paschal should have been more frugal with the unexpected tax windfall in the last budget.

marno21

€30m savings in transport capital budget this year to cover gross incompetence in the Department of Health

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0211/1028942-childrens-hospital/

steeler j

marno21 wrote: »

€30m savings in transport capital budget this year to cover gross incompetence in the Department of Health

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2019/0211/1028942-childrens-hospital/

transport department need all the funding it gets and probably more

marno21

Anyone want to speculate as to what gets the bullet to pay for this mess?

Edit: €27m being deferred in relation to A5 scheme

https://twitter.com/micheallehane/status/1095098605331976193

Kermit.de.frog

Can live with that. We should not be spending our money on infrastructure there anyway. It's Britain's problem unless/until there is a united Ireland.