Baby On Board

ford2600

doolox wrote: »

Until recently the max weight allowed to be carried by men was 50 kg while women were restricted to 20 kg. It has only recently been equalised.

Less of the poor victim please.

On the weight you are completely wrong
*there is no max weight limits, only guide weights in specific zones and dependant on frequency of lift, posture etc
*female guide weight are 2/3 of male.
*There used to be old limits of 55 and 16kg but they have been revoked with over 20 years


As an aside we all could do with standing more, and lifting more.

Quit being whiny cnuts, be glad of your health and fcuking stand.

kylith

doolox wrote: »

Things such as the LUAS for a few stops is not too bad but a trip like Tallaght to City Centre or the outer suburbs can take more than an hour and is ridiculous.
Would you stand on a trip all the way to Athlone?? Timewise this is what is being asked off some unlucky passengers on Dublin Bus.

Imagine how much worse it would be if standing was physically painful and an able-bodied person refused to help you because they got there first.

weldoninhio

kylith wrote: »

Imagine how much worse it would be if standing was physically painful and an able-bodied person refused to help you because they got there first.

If standing causes you physical pain and you want to be guaranteed a seat, leave work before rush hour, or if you can’t leave early find a nice cafe to sit in and wait until rush hour is over.

You aren’t special, you are pregnant. Millions of women have been pregnant before you, millions of women will be pregnant after you. Women have been pregnant up mountains, in jungles, in deserts, in war-zones, in arctic conditions.

So suck it up princess.

amdublin

I haven't read the full thread. Here's my thoughts

I offer my seat to anyone I think looks more in need of it than I. An older citizen. A heavily pregnant person who looks uncomfortable and tired. Someone with crutches.

Sometimes my train is so packed in the morning I've had to sit on the floor to avoid fainting. Sometimes I get offered a seat which I take, other times I stay on the floor which is grand - rather than standing and fainting.
Once a lady screeched at me for taking up so much room and wouldn't listen as I explained 're the fainting plus that my footprint was the same (I curl my legs up to my chest).

I think we should all just be kind to each other.

_Dara_

em_cat wrote: »

Because she was made to wear a yellow Star of David as a ‘badge’ of her being a Jew. It made sense to me bc they are both yellow.

I think this whole baby on board badge thing is bloody ridiculous and expectant mums should get over it & stop being miffed if people can’t immediately tell. If you have a medical condition that is worse bc of the pregnancy then fine ask for a seat politely & you’ll likely get one. No drama needed.

Being pregnant is not the same as having a disability, hidden or not.

It doesn’t matter that it’s a transitory state rather than a permanent disability. All that matters is that in that moment, it’s causing the person issues. My lower spine is damaged due to cancer and I’m frequently in pain from it. That makes me empathise with pregnant women who are in pain or exhausted or feel faint rather than think I’m more deserving of a seat than them. In fact, I’ve given up my seat for pregnant women because I judged that they needed it more than me. Why does it have to be a disability for someone to deserve a seat? Someone might have pregnancy complications or have a sharp pain or feel weak from a virus or whatever. Sometimes those issues are in the moment causing more symptoms than a permanent disability would.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

If standing causes you physical pain and you want to be guaranteed a seat, leave work before rush hour, or if you can’t leave early find a nice cafe to sit in and wait until rush hour is over.

You aren’t special, you are pregnant. Millions of women have been pregnant before you, millions of women will be pregnant after you. Women have been pregnant up mountains, in jungles, in deserts, in war-zones, in arctic conditions.

So suck it up princess.

You're right they have but I think the problem here is that your attitude goes against basic human compassion and that's jarring for the rest of us. If you saw a pregnant woman or any person in fact say leaning against a wall trying to catch their breath would you walk on? If you saw a person who had fallen would you walk on?

_Dara_

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Meh, let them take taxis.

Hi there. I’m on state benefits due to having terminal cancer. Can you point me in the direction of the money tree that will help me pay for all these taxis? Tanx luv.

_Dara_

clairewithani wrote: »

Whoopsadoodles made the point already, it is not just about the pregnant lady. It is also about the baby she is carrying and keeping it safe. Being heavily pregnant throws your centre of gravity off balance and it can be difficult to stay balanced on public transport. Offer your seat to the mother for the baby's sake if not for hers.

I dunno, for me, it’s as much about the pregnant woman as her baby.

Roger Hassenforder

You'd want to be some bollix not to give your seat to a pregnant lady.

End of.

Neyite

weldoninhio wrote: »

If standing causes you physical pain and you want to be guaranteed a seat, leave work before rush hour, or if you can’t leave early find a nice cafe to sit in and wait until rush hour is over.

Not always possible, especially outside Dublin or other big urban centres when there is one morning train or one morning bus and one in the evening.

wrote:

You aren’t special, you are pregnant. Millions of women have been pregnant before you, millions of women will be pregnant after you. Women have been pregnant up mountains, in jungles, in deserts, in war-zones, in arctic conditions.

Indeed they do. They also tend to die a lot more frequently due to adverse or unsafe conditions, usually along with the baby they are gestating. Thankfully the developed world recognises the risk pregnancy poses to a woman's life and health and have created healthcare and societal protections to reduce injury or death.

A baby that could weigh up to 10lbs. The placenta normally weighs about 1.5lbs, and the amniotic fluid between 1.5 and 2lbs. So on average a woman even with an average 7lb baby in there could be carrying around 11 or 12lbs. That's about 5kg or more.

Add in an increase in breast size, and they are generally aching or already producing milk so are painfully engorged. The prolactin hormone that produces milk also creates a benign tumour in the pituitary gland between the eyes at the base of the brain in about 10% of the population. In pregnancy this can grow to cause vision issues and head pain requiring surgery so needs to be monitored.

Morning sickness, and nausea does not go well with travelling and the smells of the Great Unwashed and transport fumes. Some women puke until they need to go on a drip. Some puke so much that they puke blood.

Ligaments between bones soften in anticipation of the birth. So hips, wrists, knees can all experience pain. Oh, and you generally aren't allowed more than paracetamol during pregnancy. You get a belt and crutches.

Some women get gestational diabetes. Some women become iron deficient. Some have had multiple miscarriages before this successful pregnancy and simply want to be careful and not exert themselves in case they lose this one too. Dental cavities are much more probable in pregnancy to the extent the NHS throws in free dental care to pregnant women. There's high blood pressure, placental abruption, I'm sure there's more that I've forgotten.

But fcuk em. They had sex and you didn't and they probably even enjoyed it. So suck it up princess indeed. I thought the attitude of the folk that ran the mother and baby homes had died out but I see it's alive and well on this thread.

pjohnson

Neyite wrote: »

Not always possible, especially outside Dublin or other big urban centres when there is one morning train or one morning bus and one in the evening.



Indeed they do. They also tend to die a lot more frequently due to adverse or unsafe conditions, usually along with the baby they are gestating. Thankfully the developed world recognises the risk pregnancy poses to a woman's life and health and have created healthcare and societal protections to reduce injury or death.

A baby that could weigh up to 10lbs. The placenta normally weighs about 1.5lbs, and the amniotic fluid between 1.5 and 2lbs. So on average a woman even with an average 7lb baby in there could be carrying around 11 or 12lbs. That's about 5kg or more.

Add in an increase in breast size, and they are generally aching or already producing milk so are painfully engorged. The prolactin hormone that produces milk also creates a benign tumour in the pituitary gland between the eyes at the base of the brain in about 10% of the population. In pregnancy this can grow to cause vision issues and head pain requiring surgery so needs to be monitored.

Morning sickness, and nausea does not go well with travelling and the smells of the Great Unwashed and transport fumes. Some women puke until they need to go on a drip. Some puke so much that they puke blood.

Ligaments between bones soften in anticipation of the birth. So hips, wrists, knees can all experience pain. Oh, and you generally aren't allowed more than paracetamol during pregnancy. You get a belt and crutches.

Some women get gestational diabetes. Some women become iron deficient. Some have had multiple miscarriages before this successful pregnancy and simply want to be careful and not exert themselves in case they lose this one too. Dental cavities are much more probable in pregnancy to the extent the NHS throws in free dental care to pregnant women. There's high blood pressure, placental abruption, I'm sure there's more that I've forgotten.

But fcuk em. They had sex and you didn't and they probably even enjoyed it. So suck it up princess indeed. I thought the attitude of the folk that ran the mother and baby homes had died out but I see it's alive and well on this thread.

He has his seat and thats all that matters

weldoninhio

Neyite wrote: »

Not always possible, especially outside Dublin or other big urban centres when there is one morning train or one morning bus and one in the evening.



Indeed they do. They also tend to die a lot more frequently due to adverse or unsafe conditions, usually along with the baby they are gestating. Thankfully the developed world recognises the risk pregnancy poses to a woman's life and health and have created healthcare and societal protections to reduce injury or death.

A baby that could weigh up to 10lbs. The placenta normally weighs about 1.5lbs, and the amniotic fluid between 1.5 and 2lbs. So on average a woman even with an average 7lb baby in there could be carrying around 11 or 12lbs. That's about 5kg or more.

Add in an increase in breast size, and they are generally aching or already producing milk so are painfully engorged. The prolactin hormone that produces milk also creates a benign tumour in the pituitary gland between the eyes at the base of the brain in about 10% of the population. In pregnancy this can grow to cause vision issues and head pain requiring surgery so needs to be monitored.

Morning sickness, and nausea does not go well with travelling and the smells of the Great Unwashed and transport fumes. Some women puke until they need to go on a drip. Some puke so much that they puke blood.

Ligaments between bones soften in anticipation of the birth. So hips, wrists, knees can all experience pain. Oh, and you generally aren't allowed more than paracetamol during pregnancy. You get a belt and crutches.

Some women get gestational diabetes. Some women become iron deficient. Some have had multiple miscarriages before this successful pregnancy and simply want to be careful and not exert themselves in case they lose this one too. Dental cavities are much more probable in pregnancy to the extent the NHS throws in free dental care to pregnant women. There's high blood pressure, placental abruption, I'm sure there's more that I've forgotten.

But fcuk em. They had sex and you didn't and they probably even enjoyed it. So suck it up princess indeed. I thought the attitude of the folk that ran the mother and baby homes had died out but I see it's alive and well on this thread.

TLDR the biology lesson.

Canis Lupus

_Dara_ wrote: »

Hi there. I’m on state benefits due to having terminal cancer. Can you point me in the direction of the money tree that will help me pay for all these taxis? Tanx luv.

Are you pregnant?

Neyite

weldoninhio wrote: »

TLDR the biology lesson.

So predictable. Why would you give any sh!t about female biology unless it directly concerns you?

pjohnson

Neyite wrote: »

So predictable. Why would you give any sh!t about female biology unless it directly concerns you?

You did use a lot of bigly 'uge words.

weldoninhio

Neyite wrote: »

So predictable. Why would you give any sh!t about female biology unless it directly concerns you?

I didn’t read it because I know all of the above. But what percentage of women does all of the above happen to? Maybe 2/3%, if even that many. So forgive me if I ignore it for the emotive nonsense it is. Not every woman is a damsel in distress.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

If standing causes you physical pain and you want to be guaranteed a seat, leave work before rush hour, or if you can’t leave early find a nice cafe to sit in and wait until rush hour is over.

You aren’t special, you are pregnant. Millions of women have been pregnant before you, millions of women will be pregnant after you. Women have been pregnant up mountains, in jungles, in deserts, in war-zones, in arctic conditions.

So suck it up princess.

can't be done, they have to travel when they travel. not their job to take taxis to suit you. give up your seat.

weldoninhio wrote: »

I didn’t read it because I know all of the above. But what percentage of women does all of the above happen to? Maybe 2/3%, if even that many. So forgive me if I ignore it for the emotive nonsense it is. Not every woman is a damsel in distress.

doesn't matter, give up your seat.

Mystery Egg

em_cat wrote: »

end of the road wrote: »

nobody stated it was.

No but mystery egg kept going on as if it were in the same category.

Try again

Bambi985

There’s absolutely no point in debating with a cnut that is lacking the basic human decency gene. Absolutely none. That particular brand of cnutishism is incurable IME.

_Dara_

Canis Lupus wrote: »

Are you pregnant?

I’m not, but I have a disability and there’s been times when I’ve judged pregnant women to be more in need of a seat than me. Yours was an asinine suggestion. I think I just need to keep reminding myself that it’s forum big talk.

Saruhashi

"I'd give up my seat for anyone who looks like they need it". Oh wow look at all the Internet Heroes over here.

I love threads like this. People who genuinely would not give up their seat are a bit selfish for sure. People who are going out of their way to congratulate themselves and others on being better than the other group are so f-ing pathetic. Stop **** yourself into oblivion at the thought of being better than "those people" who you imagine won't give up their seat.

If you are pregnant and you want a seat then ask. Don't have such an inflated sense of entitlement that you think other people will even notice your existence.

Nobody cares about you or whatever abomination you are incubating inside your gross body. If you weren't ready for the consequences then you shouldn't have let some equally sad loser get you knocked up.

Good luck raising another human when you're not even capable of asking for a seat on public transport.

(OF COURSE it's all forum big talk. )

Saruhashi

Bambi985 wrote: »

There’s absolutely no point in debating with a cnut that is lacking the basic human decency gene. Absolutely none. That particular brand of cnutishism is incurable IME.

So now what? We all give you a pat on the back and a cookie?

You're such a good person. Amazing actually. Probably the best human who ever lived.

Bambi985 for President!

end of the road

Saruhashi wrote: »

"Nobody cares about you or whatever abomination you are incubating inside your gross body. If you weren't ready for the consequences then you shouldn't have let some equally sad loser get you knocked up.

what a horrible comment. we all came into the world the same way you are disrespecting. shame on you and show some respect.

Saruhashi

Saruhashi wrote: »

"I'd give up my seat for anyone who looks like they need it". Oh wow look at all the Internet Heroes over here.

I love threads like this. People who genuinely would not give up their seat are a bit selfish for sure. People who are going out of their way to congratulate themselves and others on being better than the other group are so f-ing pathetic. Stop **** yourself into oblivion at the thought of being better than "those people" who you imagine won't give up their seat.

If you are pregnant and you want a seat then ask. Don't have such an inflated sense of entitlement that you think other people will even notice your existence.

Nobody cares about you or whatever abomination you are incubating inside your gross body. If you weren't ready for the consequences then you shouldn't have let some equally sad loser get you knocked up.

Good luck raising another human when you're not even capable of asking for a seat on public transport.

(OF COURSE it's all forum big talk. )

I'm safe in the knowledge that I'm a better person than those who lack basic human compassion. The words you use in your post speak volumes, "..abomination you are incubating inside your gross body".
What is that about? That anger?

Trekker09

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm safe in the knowledge that I'm a better person than those who lack basic human compassion. The words you use in your post speak volumes, "..abomination you are incubating inside your gross body".
What is that about? That anger?

I think the last line indicates the intended irony.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I'd give it to a pregnant person or an elderly/injured person. Paying full price for an hour plus journey and standing so someone can sit down with a rake of kids? Nope.

Saruhashi

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm safe in the knowledge that I'm a better person than those who lack basic human compassion. The words you use in your post speak volumes, "..abomination you are incubating inside your gross body".
What is that about? That anger?

Have you ever met anyone in your life who actually, genuinely, lacks basic human compassion?

I would say even if the answer is "yes" then it must be an incredibly rare event.

So I question the point in congratulating ourselves because upon seeing a person who is OBVIOUSLY struggling we would stand up and help them. It's pretty normal behavior.

I would guess there are many folks who just don't notice a pregnant lady on the bus or train. Depending on the stage of the pregnancy it may be even more difficult to notice.

It seems easier here to assume the worst in other people and then feel nice about ourselves because "I am better than those people".

I'm not angry. If you felt I was then you are wrong.

That's you assuming the worst in others though, isn't it?

It's the same with these badges. A grown adult woman can't ask for a seat on the train so she's going to wear one of these badges and assume that all other passengers are massive a-holes when she doesn't get to sit down.

Hm. Maybe if you're already assuming I'm a bad person I should just embrace it and have fun with it?

calfmuscle

Saruhashi wrote: »

"Dear mum nobody cares about you or whatever abomination you are incubating inside your gross body. If you weren't ready for the consequences then you shouldn't have let some equally sad loser get you knocked up.

Good luck raising another human when you're not even capable of asking for a seat on public transport.

(OF COURSE it's all forum big talk. )

Fixed your post

Saruhashi

end of the road wrote: »

what a horrible comment. we all came into the world the same way you are disrespecting. shame on you and show some respect.

Why?

We've already decided that if a pregnant lady boards the train and nobody offers their seat then those people must be awful. Just the worst. Lacking compassion. Scumbags.

We've condemned them and that's that. Is that respectful?

I'm going to wear my little passive aggressive badge on the train and then whine on social media because nobody noticed me. That's not respect for your fellow people.

What would be respectful would be to politely ask an individual for their seat. If they say no then ask the next person.

Saruhashi

calfmuscle wrote: »

Saruhashi wrote: »

Dear mum nobody cares about you or whatever abomination you are incubating inside your gross body. If you weren't ready for the consequences then you shouldn't have let some equally sad loser get you knocked up.

Good luck raising another human when you're not even capable of asking for a seat on public transport.

(OF COURSE it's all forum big talk. )

Fixed your post

Hahahaha! Well done. :pac:

Saruhashi

Saruhashi wrote: »

Have you ever met anyone in your life who actually, genuinely, lacks basic human compassion?

I would say even if the answer is "yes" then it must be an incredibly rare event.

So I question the point in congratulating ourselves because upon seeing a person who is OBVIOUSLY struggling we would stand up and help them. It's pretty normal behavior.

I would guess there are many folks who just don't notice a pregnant lady on the bus or train. Depending on the stage of the pregnancy it may be even more difficult to notice.

It seems easier here to assume the worst in other people and then feel nice about ourselves because "I am better than those people".

I'm not angry. If you felt I was then you are wrong.

That's you assuming the worst in others though, isn't it?

It's the same with these badges. A grown adult woman can't ask for a seat on the train so she's going to wear one of these badges and assume that all other passengers are massive a-holes when she doesn't get to sit down.

Hm. Maybe if you're already assuming I'm a bad person I should just embrace it and have fun with it?

I'm on my phone so it's easier to quote all your post.

It's like this, for some time now I've felt that people simply aren't good to each other. It manifests in lots of different ways and it makes me sad. Are we not all in this together? What I'd so wrong with looking out for each other?
Yes a person needing a seat on public transport can ask but what is so wrong with a badge? What's wrong with giving up your seat for another who looks to be struggling?

I'm not better than anyone else and the post I made referring to such was in jest. We are all human beings and it saddens me to read that there are those who are consumed with themselves. I implore you to step outside that insular box and take a look around.

Bambi985

Bambi985 wrote: »

There’s absolutely no point in debating with a cnut that is lacking the basic human decency gene. Absolutely none. That particular brand of cnutishism is incurable IME.

See Exhibit A:

Saruhashi wrote: »

So now what? We all give you a pat on the back and a cookie?

You're such a good person. Amazing actually. Probably the best human who ever lived.

Bambi985 for President!

Saruhashi

Deleted User wrote: »

It's like this, for some time now I've felt that people simply aren't good to each other. It manifests in lots of different ways and it makes me sad. Are we not all in this together? What I'd so wrong with looking out for each other?

Well, I disagree.

I see people engaging in acts of compassion and kindness all day, every day.

It might be small things and it might be huge things but I see it. All the damn time.

What I see in a thread like this though is people declaring that others are bad. Faceless "others" are just awful and terrible but we're not like them. We're better.

We are all in this together and look around and you can see what we've built together. You can see how people are with each other.

Irish people donate almost 1 billion Euros to charity every year.

Too many on this thread are too willing to assume the worst in others just so they can pat themselves on the back.

end of the road

Saruhashi wrote: »

Why?

We've already decided that if a pregnant lady boards the train and nobody offers their seat then those people must be awful. Just the worst. Lacking compassion. Scumbags.

We've condemned them and that's that. Is that respectful?

I'm going to wear my little passive aggressive badge on the train and then whine on social media because nobody noticed me. That's not respect for your fellow people.

What would be respectful would be to politely ask an individual for their seat. If they say no then ask the next person.

you can disagree with badges. you can agree that someone who wants a seat should ask for it. but you don't need to be disrespectful toards pregnant women and pregnancy.

Saruhashi

Saruhashi wrote: »

Well, I disagree.

I see people engaging in acts of compassion and kindness all day, every day.

It might be small things and it might be huge things but I see it. All the damn time.

What I see in a thread like this though is people declaring that others are bad. Faceless "others" are just awful and terrible but we're not like them. We're better.

We are all in this together and look around and you can see what we've built together. You can see how people are with each other.

Irish people donate almost 1 billion Euros to charity every year.

Too many on this thread are too willing to assume the worst in others just so they can pat themselves on the back.

So why then the disparaging language towards a pregnant woman? The absolute refusal to acknowledge and maybe make easier the discomfort of others?

Saruhashi

Deleted User wrote: »

So why then the disparaging language towards a pregnant woman? The absolute refusal to acknowledge and maybe make easier the discomfort of others?

Honestly, to get a rise out of the "holier than thou" brigade who think so highly of themselves.

I strongly believe that near enough 99% of able-bodied people in this country would give their seat to a pregnant woman when asked.

I'd go beyond that and say a vast majority would go well out of their way to help someone in need.

Embarrassingly, on the thread here we have people engaging in some kind of weird fantasy where the general populace are uncaring and rude a-holes but they are just so much better than that.

I think the best approach here is for people to ask for a seat if they need (or want) one. Don't just assume the worst in others because they aren't rushing in to help you.

Saruhashi

Saruhashi wrote: »

Honestly, to get a rise out of the "holier than thou" brigade who think so highly of themselves.

I strongly believe that near enough 99% of able-bodied people in this country would give their seat to a pregnant woman when asked.

I'd go beyond that and say a vast majority would go well out of their way to help someone in need.

Embarrassingly, on the thread here we have people engaging in some kind of weird fantasy where the general populace are uncaring and rude a-holes but they are just so much better than that.

I think the best approach here is for people to ask for a seat if they need (or want) one. Don't just assume the worst in others because they aren't rushing in to help you.

You make a fair point. For me however there are certain "markers" if you like when it comes to human decency. I value kindness and empathy so when I read a post from someone who says things like "suck it up princess" then I make assumptions. They may be wrong but right now I've nothing else to go on.

Forget about the whole "I'm better than you" stuff" it's a bit of a red herring here. At the end of the day if you feel for whatever reason that you should not offer your seat to a heavily pregnant woman or any other person in distress then that's your decision. I will think less of you and that's my decision.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

But you don't know what's going on for them either perse. Sometimes when I was commuting my back would act up and on occasion I'd lose power in my legs, be stuck in a position not being able to stand sit lie down stand up, etc. When it hits I'm in and out of a+e on morphine style painkillers and serious muscle relaxers. I also suffer with epilepsy and have an auto immune condition which kicks my ass a good chunk of time and I'm fine other times.

When I was travelling up and down to Dublin I was paying approx 100 a week to use the train. I make no apology for the fact if I needed to sit I would sit, and it's nobody else's business why I wouldn't give or offer my seat. I'm not going to list off my medical conditions in the hopes a stranger will approve of me taking a seat.

I've no problem giving a seat to someone who needs it (let's say an old man on a stick) but I wouldn't be killing myself and falling over myself to someone who's need is less than or the same as mine nor would I wear a badge claiming to be sick or injured.

Sheepdish1

I think a lot of people don’t notice people who need seats as they are usually looking at their phones. Also I think people are hesitant to offer seats incase someone isn’t pregnane and just overweight!!

I agree when pregnant it can sometimes be better to be seated, for example centre of gravity is shifted so you’re more prone falling!!

At the same time if I ever needed a seat I’d simply ask can someone please give up a seat and I don’t understand why people just don’t do this 🀨

Neyite

Alisa Important Sprawl wrote: »

I'd give it to a pregnant person or an elderly/injured person. Paying full price for an hour plus journey and standing so someone can sit down with a rake of kids? Nope.

Depends on the age of the child for me, young ones don't have any sense of balance, and could easily go flying on a bus. A preschooler/ kid up to about 7, I would give them a seat, or give the seat to their mother so they can put them on their lap.

Alisa Important Sprawl wrote: »

But you don't know what's going on for them either perse. Sometimes when I was commuting my back would act up and on occasion I'd lose power in my legs, be stuck in a position not being able to stand sit lie down stand up, etc. When it hits I'm in and out of a+e on morphine style painkillers and serious muscle relaxers. I also suffer with epilepsy and have an auto immune condition which kicks my ass a good chunk of time and I'm fine other times.

When I was travelling up and down to Dublin I was paying approx 100 a week to use the train. I make no apology for the fact if I needed to sit I would sit, and it's nobody else's business why I wouldn't give or offer my seat. I'm not going to list off my medical conditions in the hopes a stranger will approve of me taking a seat.

I've no problem giving a seat to someone who needs it (let's say an old man on a stick) but I wouldn't be killing myself and falling over myself to someone who's need is less than or the same as mine nor would I wear a badge claiming to be sick or injured.

I don't think anyone should be expected to explain their medical condition - if someone says "could I have your seat please, I've a medical condition" I'd assume that they need it. If I also had a medical condition, I'd just say sorry, I'm sitting because I've a condition that warrants it too. I can understand paying money for your commute and not having the comfort on it though, it's not nice, especially if you are in pain.

Once, an older woman got on my bus and just said in general to the commuters "could anyone offer me their seat please?" and I thought that was a nice way to do it, not singling out anyone or putting anyone on the spot.

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

I think a lot of people don’t notice people who need seats as they are usually looking at their phones.

That's probably more true than simply having a bus full of assholes tbh. One time I offered a seat, the lad beside me offered his too, and about three others stood up to offer seats to other passengers too, they just were glued to their phone until someone reminded them.

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Though one evening I came out of work and my back had just gone into spasm, it was so bad I actually cried trying to stand up in work and had to drag myself to the bus stop as if I didn't make the train there was no more to my station. Like I said earlier when my back is like that nothing helps, sitting standing lying down, it's all the one.

Dragged myself onto the 145, face blotchy from crying and no doubt you could tell by me I wasn't okay. The bus was full so I was standing. Even if there was seats I'd stay standing as if I say I wouldn't have been able to get back up. Most people sitting around me made sure not to make eye contact. You could actually notice how uncomfortable they were actively trying to avoid eye contact. An elderly man at the back of the bus got up, came down and offered his seat. I thanked him and declined explaining I was better standing. The next stop people from upstairs came down waiting for bus to stop and some girl waiting to get off came over to me and asked if I was ok and if I needed to sit down, I'd say she'd have asked someone to move. But everybody else just avoided making eye contact just in case I needed the seat

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Saruhashi wrote: »

Well, I disagree.

I see people engaging in acts of compassion and kindness all day, every day.

It might be small things and it might be huge things but I see it. All the damn time.

What I see in a thread like this though is people declaring that others are bad. Faceless "others" are just awful and terrible but we're not like them. We're better.

We are all in this together and look around and you can see what we've built together. You can see how people are with each other.

Irish people donate almost 1 billion Euros to charity every year.

Too many on this thread are too willing to assume the worst in others just so they can pat themselves on the back.

I don't agree with everything you've written in this thread but I absolutely agree with your point about boards and the group think mentality.I find the behaviour interesting to read. It also only take one or two certain 'Respected Posters' to drop an opinion and the sheep follow - and should you disagree then the same sheep attack like wolves.

Going off topic from pregnancy - but this is the downfall of boards, every opinion whether you agree with it or not, you shouldn't refer to the other poster as a cnut.

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Alisa Important Sprawl wrote: »

Though one evening I came out of work and my back had just gone into spasm, it was so bad I actually cried trying to stand up in work and had to drag myself to the bus stop as if I didn't make the train there was no more to my station. Like I said earlier when my back is like that nothing helps, sitting standing lying down, it's all the one.

Dragged myself onto the 145, face blotchy from crying and no doubt you could tell by me I wasn't okay. The bus was full so I was standing. Even if there was seats I'd stay standing as if I say I wouldn't have been able to get back up. Most people sitting around me made sure not to make eye contact. You could actually notice how uncomfortable they were actively trying to avoid eye contact. An elderly man at the back of the bus got up, came down and offered his seat. I thanked him and declined explaining I was better standing. The next stop people from upstairs came down waiting for bus to stop and some girl waiting to get off came over to me and asked if I was ok and if I needed to sit down, I'd say she'd have asked someone to move. But everybody else just avoided making eye contact just in case I needed the seat

You're assuming all of this, what if everyone on the bus thought you were an emotional wreck and that if they approached you as a stanger - you would say FOF and mind you're own business - because that happens too.

This is the bit other posters are getting shot down for. See thing from more than one perspective of I'm pregnant and that everyone else is selfish.

Depending on the situation I wouldn't approach a stranger on the bus crying, where others might - your expectation of human behavior shouldn't match your own morals/ethics.

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I work sometimes 10 hrs a day at a work bench on my feet. I'm knackered usually come Thursday. If I'm on public transport and I see someone needs a seat regardless there gender I will offer it. I was on a bus 1 day and offered my seat up to an old woman and I like to think that it started a chain reaction because a good 4 or 5 ppl did it after me. Nice feeling

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This is not a complex issue.

99% of people in a position too well do the decent thing and offer up their seat to a person whose need for it is greater for whatever reason.

If nobody automatically does it, it doesn't mean they're all gob****es. More likely means they're blissfully unaware or haven't noticed.

Your one in the journal article whinging that nobody has offered her a seat needs a boot up the hole once she's had a baby. Ask someone to give you a seat rather than racing to the media to lash out at the inconsiderate Irish public. If she bothered her arse to try that, umpteen people would give her a seat.