Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Leo is the new king of Ireland.
Comments
-
-
-
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
Free health care and education my ass. Accomodation for students almost €8k this year. Record number of people on trollies. Don't even mention the housing crisis.
Not perfect but these are First World problems which a generation ago would have seemed luxurious.
Students live at home don't they?
There are empty houses in ghost estates all over rural Ireland with no one for local councils to fill them with.
Patients on trollies is a serious issue though and shouldn't be thrown in with the above. It will only get worse as the population ages, we're just going to have to pay more tax to fund it.
Less avocado toast equals more hospital beds maybe.0 -
Not perfect but these are First World problems which a generation ago would have seemed luxurious.
Students live at home don't they?
There are empty houses in ghost estates all over rural Ireland with no one for local councils to fill them with.
Patients on trollies is a serious issue though and shouldn't be thrown in with the above. It will only get worse as the population ages, we're just going to have to pay more tax to fund it.
Less avocado toast equals more hospital beds maybe.
Students live at home???
Speaks volumes for your awareness.0 -
-
-
-
Advertisement
-
-
-
-
-
FrancieBrady wrote: »FG's arrogance cost them at the last election. They haven't seemed to learn anything from that and Leo's tenure has started out with profound arrogance if the US and his reaction to the vote to rid the country of the SCU, is anything to go by.
A campaign will once again be the real test.
Aren't FG in government now?
More people want FG, FF or even Labour in government by some distance to the extremist Alt-left/Alt-right options in Irish politics.
Arrogance would be assuming that not being one of the above is enough to earn election.0 -
Aren't FG in government now?
More people want FG, FF or even Labour in government by some distance to the extremist Alt-left/Alt-right options in Irish politics.
Arrogance would be assuming that not being one of the above is enough to earn election.
That wasn't the point I was making.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »FG's arrogance cost them at the last election. They haven't seemed to learn anything from that and Leo's tenure has started out with profound arrogance if the US and his reaction to the vote to rid the country of the SCU, is anything to go by.
A campaign will once again be the real test.
the latest poll suggests he's not costing them anything. Currently, according to Red C, they're running 9 points ahead of Fianna Fáil which represents the biggest lead for Varadkar et al in a Red C poll since just before the 2016 General Election.
I guess what's true of the fictional President Bartlet is true of the actual Taoiseach.....
......they're irreversibly convinced that he's arrogant....now he can be.' If your guy is seen that way you might as well knock some bodies down with it
Looks like Leo is maintaining that position
0 -
-
I'd agree with that last post.
The opposition are desperate to paint Leo as a posh Tory boy / arrogant persona and are spending political capital on minor side issues like the SCU, but the public don't seem too swayed by it.
The current confidence and supply arrangement expires later this year and it's very doubtful that FF will agree to an extension.
If FF's current weak polling numbers persist, I can see FG calling a new election straight after the budget is passed.
FF / SF government anyone?
Indeed - the likes of SF are great pulling stunts but ultimately they end up expending useful Dail time generating headlines instead of any kind of political heat. Do people really care about the SCU or whether or not Varadkar exaggerated his involvement in a planning matter? They're great stories but not exactly the issues people will decide whether or not to vote on.
I also think the Left do a great job as painting Varadkar as our very own Tory boy, but then forget that it also means painting him as someone who has a distinct preference for lower taxation!!! Now that's a vote winner
FF/SF government - I don't think they'll get the numbers, plus I think FF won't be enamoured by the idea as it'll cost them dearly. You just never know what stink is going to rise up from the SF cess pit and the last thing they'll want to be is proxy apologists for any putative coalition partners.
I also think FF might tacitly agree to informally extending the C&S agreement on a rolling, in principle basis (commit to it without putting a time limit on the commitment). If they don't and they are perceived as having caused any subsequent GE then they'll pay a further price for that.
Saying that, if the 'right' scandal comes along after the budget I don't doubt they'll grab it with both hands and pull the plug at the earliest opportunity if it gives them a chance to credibly lay any blame at FG's door.0 -
-
Advertisement
-
I agree that the most FF will do is agree to extend on an informal basis, while waiting for the opportune moment to pull the plug.
That's why I think we'll have an early election. If FGs numbers are still looking strong why would they leave it up to FF? They'd be better off publically demanding a formal extension and when they don't get it, go to the country off the back of what is likely to be the biggest 'giveaway' budget in years.
I think the only thing that would stop Varadkar is the fact that Irish electorates like punishing people who make them vote!!!
I think you're right, though, a decent giveaway budget this year - then if he ekes out another year to another giveaway budget before he goes for it.
Equally, they might decide to go for it in the budget this year - big, FF 1977 style budget - then go to the country saying we need to have our election now to ensure a stable government through Brexit - and with the way SF and the DUP have been having pops at Varadkar there's plenty of material there for him to demonstrate that he's the safe pair of hands needed to navigate us through Brexit 0 -
I think the only thing that would stop Varadkar is the fact that Irish electorates like punishing people who make them vote!!!
I think you're right, though, a decent giveaway budget this year - then if he ekes out another year to another giveaway budget before he goes for it.
Equally, they might decide to go for it in the budget this year - big, FF 1977 style budget - then go to the country saying we need to have our election now to ensure a stable government through Brexit - and with the way SF and the DUP have been having pops at Varadkar there's plenty of material there for him to demonstrate that he's the safe pair of hands needed to navigate us through Brexit
Who knows what might be being held for an election campaign. What this poll is missing is what they missed with Enda, the slow build of the perception of arrogance.
Ultimately that is the test, Enda failed it from a position of similar strength.
I think they will have to do the same with Leo as they did with Enda, withdraw him from public appearances and interaction.0 -
-
So in the one hand you describe Varadkar as having.....started out with profound arrogance
Now,FrancieBrady wrote: »Who knows what might be being held for an election campaign. What this poll is missing is what they missed with Enda, the slow build of the perception of arrogance.
Ultimately that is the test, Enda failed it from a position of similar strength.
I think they will have to do the same with Leo as they did with Enda, withdraw him from public appearances and interaction.
I mean, I don't disagree that he's arrogant (or at the very least he comes across as arrogant) but I don't think it's nearly the handicap that others are suggesting it is.
......and yes, I'm sure Kenny as FG's longest serving Taoiseach who delivered 2 terms in office and left, eventually, on his own terms feels a "failure"
Now, people might rabbit on about achievements or lack thereof by the acme of skill in a party leader is getting into then keeping power, so Kenny as a "failure" is just laughable. Even for all his limitations he still managed to get back in - kind of says more about his opponents than him, that he was preferred over them. 0 -
-
So in the one hand you describe Varadkar as having
Now,
I mean, I don't disagree that he's arrogant (or at the very least he comes across as arrogant) but I don't think it's nearly the handicap that others are suggesting it is.
......and yes, I'm sure Kenny as FG's longest serving Taoiseach who delivered 2 terms in office and left, eventually, on his own terms feels a "failure"
Now, people might rabbit on about achievements or lack thereof by the acme of skill in a party leader is getting into then keeping power, so Kenny as a "failure" is just laughable. Even for all his limitations he still managed to get back in - kind of says more about his opponents than him, that he was preferred over them.
Kenny dismally failed to deliver the result the 'polls' you are waving about, suggested.
That was the point.
If FG could not deliver two terms with the state FF was in, they may as well have given up.0 -
FrancieBrady wrote: »Kenny dismally failed to deliver the result the 'polls' you are waving about, suggested.
That was the point.
If FG could not deliver two terms with the state FF was in, they may as well have given up.
So an arrogant Toryboy Taoiseach has followed a failure of a Taoiseach......during a period of grinding austerity when we've loaded ourselves with debt.......and after all that the party in question is still the largest in the state by some measure and still in power?
I'd say if that's arrogance and failure the other parties can't wait to get a piece of it 0 -
So an arrogant Toryboy Taoiseach has followed a failure of a Taoiseach......during a period of grinding austerity when we've loaded ourselves with debt.......and after all that the party in question is still the largest in the state by some measure and still in power?
I'd say if that's arrogance and failure the other parties can't wait to get a piece of it
I never mentioned anything about a 'Toryboy.'
FG's inability to deliver a majority government during the weakest period of FF's existence says something here.
They can only stay in government with the consent of FF, which also says something.
There are a number of ways of seeing.0 -
-
Advertisement
-
This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement