Pubs to open on Good Friday

Mr.H

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Along with 'R' Revenue and the law they are more relevant to licensing the sale of alcohol than the Catholic Church.

If you dont know the influence the Catholic Church had in Ireland in the last 100 years then you have absolute zero idea of what you are talking about

Mr.H

daheff wrote: »

People are also forced to take other bank holidays off....but i dont hear the non-religious types complaining over that.


its a bank holiday because a large proportion of the population celebrate a religious feast. Its not just for those who celebrate the feast day.

If you don't want paid days off then I really dont know.

You are not paid to have good friday off (not statutory)

weldoninhio

splinter65 wrote: »

Ok so I’m going to take the word of some stranger on the Internet over my own brother.
He obviously had a better shop steward than you, kept their terms and conditions, so what?

It's really not that hard to look up and get a definitive answer.

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The allowance was first introduced during the 1970s but in recognition that most civil servants subsequently had their salaries paid electronically, an agreement to abolish it was reached in 2011 as part of the Croke Park Agreement.

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two days and this increase will take effect from the annual leave year 2011/2012.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Mr.H wrote: »

The Church of Ireland is a protestant religion.

No it's not.

ShooterSF

As an atheist and a bartender I'm still a little sad. One day outside of xmas where you knew all the staff were off and could do a team night. Yes we get other days off, that was never the issue. Even on our year end party someone has to miss out to keep the ship sailing. As for the religious aspect I'm in complete agreement that the origin of the day off is a terrible reason but what it became was enjoyable. Likewise we should be open xmas day too for secular reasons but in that case most will accept that the origin of the day off is irrelevant now as it has a secular benefit too.

daheff

Mr.H wrote: »

(on Christmas day anyway) but I see no reason why any business should be forced to shut.

I know shops that are open on Christmas day. Call Centers. Emergency services work. Taxi drivers work. Why cant anyone else?

We live in a country that has many cultures living in it. Not everyone celebrates Christmas. Yet they are forced to take the day off?

daheff wrote: »

People are also forced to take other bank holidays off....but i dont hear the non-religious types complaining over that.


its a bank holiday because a large proportion of the population celebrate a religious feast. Its not just for those who celebrate the feast day.

If you don't want paid days off then I really dont know.

Mr.H wrote: »

You are not paid to have good friday off (not statutory)

You are misrepresenting my post. I did not comment about good friday. YOU mentioned Christmas & being forced to take time off over it even though not everybody celebrates it. I posted about that.

Christmas is a bank holiday and people are entitled to be paid bank holiday pay for this day whether you like it or not.

jimgoose

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

No it's not.

It's both Protestant, a.k.a. "Reformed", and Catholic.

Mutant z

Don't drink so it won't impact me either way but it was a silly law to have in the first place if people want to drink on good Friday then they should be allowed to and now they can, very few took it seriously anyway i doubt anyone but a tiny few are really that bothered about this.

Ragnar Lothbrok

ShooterSF wrote: »

As an atheist and a bartender I'm still a little sad. One day outside of xmas where you knew all the staff were off and could do a team night. Yes we get other days off, that was never the issue. Even on our year end party someone has to miss out to keep the ship sailing. As for the religious aspect I'm in complete agreement that the origin of the day off is a terrible reason but what it became was enjoyable. Likewise we should be open xmas day too for secular reasons but in that case most will accept that the origin of the day off is irrelevant now as it has a secular benefit too.

Very well put! And finally a bit of sanity on this thread

jimgoose

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

Very well put! And finally a bit of sanity on this thread

For the record, speaking as an enthusiastic pint-lofter of many decades, I don't think having the pubs shut on Good Friday did any harm.

AudreyHepburn

Made no difference to me one way or the other - it’s beyond me why so many people can’t or won’t wait 24 hours to go to the pub. Is it that terrible to have to drink at home one night of the year?

jimgoose

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Made no difference to me one way or the other - it’s beyond me why so many people can’t or won’t wait 24 hours to go to the pub. Is it that terrible to have to drink at home one night of the year?

I'm the sort who doesn't bother with it at all if I can't hold up a saloon-bar counter for a couple of hours while talking ballix with my fellow middle-aged ten-year-olds. :pac:

Mr.H

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote:

No it's not.

Yes it is. I is officially a protestant religion. It is not ruled by the Roman Catholic Church in the Vatican. The Vatican is what influences Ireland not the religion who looks at a British ex king as the founder of its Church

jimgoose

Mr.H wrote: »

Yes it is. I is officially a protestant religion. It is not ruled by the Roman Catholic Church in the Vatican. The Vatican is what influences Ireland not the religion who looks at a British ex king as the founder of its Church

Mick Jackson is an ex-British king??

Mr.H

AudreyHepburn wrote:

Made no difference to me one way or the other - it’s beyond me why so many people can’t or won’t wait 24 hours to go to the pub. Is it that terrible to have to drink at home one night of the year?

OK Let's say it wasn't pubs. Let's say it was illegal to have sex one day a year instead. Would that be alright?

It's not about people desperate to go to the pub. It's about people wanting to rid the country from archaic laws invented to appease our Vatican oppressors by saying "look we are a good little Catholic country".

As stated I personally might go out on good Friday. Not because I feel I haven't but because his year it falls 2 days after my birthday and the weekend is usually when my friends and loved ones are free.

But every other year just like before it will be just another Friday. Except going forward there will be less ridiculous laws

Omackeral

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Made no difference to me one way or the other - it’s beyond me why so many people can’t or won’t wait 24 hours to go to the pub. Is it that terrible to have to drink at home one night of the year?

It's just the principle of it. That's it.

jimgoose

Mr.H wrote: »

OK Let's say it wasn't pubs. Let's say it was illegal to have sex one day a year instead. Would that be alright?...

It's already illegal to have sex in the pub. What's your point??

Mr.H

jimgoose wrote:

Mick Jackson is an ex-British king??

Might as well be.

The church of Ireland was established in 1536 by king Henry viii

Mutant z

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Made no difference to me one way or the other - it’s beyond me why so many people can’t or won’t wait 24 hours to go to the pub. Is it that terrible to have to drink at home one night of the year?

I agree with much of what you say however i still think it was a nonsensical law and that the option should be there for those who want a pint or 2 i don't see why it was such a problem like i said very few took it seriously anyway I'm sure most people are in favour with removing this law.

Sue Pa Key Pa

whisky_galore wrote: »

So you would have no issue with pubs opening on Xmas Day?

I'd have no problem with that at all. No way would I be bothered going myself but, for various reasons, some bar staff might want to work and some customers might want t go and have a drink and avoid participating in the whole bloody thing

Mr.H

jimgoose wrote:

It's already illegal to have sex in the pub. What's your point??

It is??? Oh crap

Next on the agenda. Get rid of the ban on sex in pubs.

I think if you really tried to read my post you would understand my point.

Sue Pa Key Pa

jimgoose wrote: »

It's already illegal to (get caught) have sex in the pub. What's your point??

FYP

Sleeper12

It's about time they opened on good Friday. Having said that I most likely won't be in the pub that day. I do like choice

jimgoose

Mr.H wrote: »

Might as well be.

The church of Ireland was established in 1536 by king Henry viii

Nope. The Irish parliament at the time declared him the "Supreme Head of the Church on earth", and therefore in Ireland. Archbishop Jackson is his successor. The monarch over the road is the head of the Anglican Church (another member of the Anglican Communion, alongside the CoI) and the Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. All the respective theologies agree on the founder of the church(es), viz. the figure known as Jesus Christ.

Mr.H

jimgoose wrote:

Nope. The Irish parliament at the time declared him the "Supreme Head of the Church on earth", and therefore in Ireland. Archbishop Jackson is his successor. The monarch over the road is the head of the Anglican Church (another member of the Anglican Communion, alongside the CoI) and the Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church. All the respective theologies agree on the founder of the church(es), viz. the figure known as Jesus Christ.

Well whatever about who is overhead it now there are two facts that remain.

One. King Henry did establish the coi.

Two. None of this matters as what I said was he the Roman Catholic Church is the one that influenced Ireland. Not the coi

kenmc

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Made no difference to me one way or the other - it’s beyond me why so many people can’t or won’t wait 24 hours to go to the pub. Is it that terrible to have to drink at home one night of the year?

But that's not the issue. It's not that everyone goes to the pub every single day of the year. Many folk are more than capable of going more than 24hrs without going to the pub, me included. The issue is that why do an archaic set of beliefs in an inbred cannabilistic zombie skyfairy dictate when or not people must be forced to not go to the pub, rather than being able to decide that for themselves.

rafatoni

Will the minimum license law now be scrapped now we have appeased the vinters and publicans on this?

Birdie Num Num

Mr.H wrote: »

If you dont know the influence the Catholic Church had in Ireland in the last 100 years then you have absolute zero idea of what you are talking about

I am not denying the origins of the ban but so what about the origins. It was legislation that prevented the sale of alcohol on Good Friday. Nobody is up in arms that they can't go to their favourite pub at 4am in the morning because of licensing laws or can't get take out after 10pm.

kenmc

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

I am not denying the origins of the ban but so what about the origins. It was legislation that prevented the sale of alcohol on Good Friday. Nobody is up in arms that they can't go to their favourite pub at 4am in the morning because of licensing laws or can't get take out after 10pm.

Are they not?

seamus

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

Nobody is up in arms that they can't go to their favourite pub at 4am in the morning because of licensing laws or can't get take out after 10pm.

How's that rock you're living under?

Feisar

I dunno, meh I suppose.

It was always good for a house party.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Mr.H wrote: »

OK Let's say it wasn't pubs. Let's say it was illegal to have sex one day a year instead. Would that be alright?

It's not about people desperate to go to the pub. It's about people wanting to rid the country from archaic laws invented to appease our Vatican oppressors by saying "look we are a good little Catholic country".

As stated I personally might go out on good Friday. Not because I feel I haven't but because his year it falls 2 days after my birthday and the weekend is usually when my friends and loved ones are free.

But every other year just like before it will be just another Friday. Except going forward there will be less ridiculous laws

But it was never illegal to drink on Good Friday. It was just that licensing laws meant that pubs stayed closed on that day. The origin for that might have less relevance to people today than it did fifty years ago, but it was a tradition that was still upheld and allowed bar staff a day off.

The origin of celebrating Christmas Day is now lost on many people, but that doesn't mean Christmas has been scrapped. Many traditions originated due to religious belief and continue to be upheld by those who no longer have that belief.

I just don't understand why there was so much indignation about pubs being closed on Good Friday. I can understand concerns about issues such as tourism, but otherwise what was the big deal? It was a tradition founded, like many traditions, on a religious principle and continued to be honoured, like many traditions, in an increasingly secular society.

Far more important things to get worked up about.

GritBiscuit

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »

...and continued to be honoured, like many traditions, in an increasingly secular society.

Far more important things to get worked up about.

I think that's it in a nutshell tho...it wasn't honoured in the true sense of the meaning - in that the pubs/off-licences were open and people chose not to partake on those days because their adherence to the principal meant more to them, it was a state mandated ban on alcoholic purchases that the masses had no option but go along with (and increasingly find ways around) to the point that the whole thing was a running joke.

If people want to honour their traditions, more power to them, I'm all for that. State enforcing the traditions of an ever shrinking some on everyone else - not so much.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

GritBiscuit wrote: »

I think that's it in a nutshell tho...it wasn't honoured in the true sense of the meaning - in that the pubs/off-licences were open and people chose not to partake on those days because their adherence to the principal meant more to them, it was a state mandated ban on alcoholic purchases that the masses had no option but go along with (and increasingly find ways around) to the point that the whole thing was a running joke.

If people want to honour their traditions, more power to them, I'm all for that. State enforcing the traditions of an ever shrinking some on everyone else - not so much.

Yes, that's a fair point.

I suppose it's the way some people got so worked up about it I find hard to understand, instead of just rolling their eyes and opening a bottle of wine at home.

GritBiscuit

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »

Yes, that's a fair point.

I suppose it's the way some people got so worked up about it I find hard to understand, instead of just rolling their eyes and opening a bottle of wine at home.

Apathy doesn't change laws...if you want to elicit change and forge the kind of society you want to live in and your kids to live in rather than meekly doffing the cap to previous generations, eye rolling isn't going to do it...unfortunately.

Retrovertigo

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »

but it was a tradition that was still upheld and allowed bar staff a day off.

What? Bar staff had a day off because the business was shut. You're missing the point entirely.

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »

I just don't understand why there was so much indignation about pubs being closed on Good Friday. I can understand concerns about issues such as tourism, but otherwise what was the big deal? It was a tradition founded, like many traditions, on a religious principle and continued to be honoured, like many traditions, in an increasingly secular society.

Far more important things to get worked up about.

People are long sick of being dictated to by religious code. Pure and simple. It isn't only about the drink but it's about not being able to have it because religious entities deemed it improper.

El Weirdo

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »

...but it was a tradition that was still upheld and allowed bar staff a day off.

Can people just stop posting this shit?

c68zapdsm5i1ru

El Weirdo wrote: »

Can people just stop posting this shit?

Did you read ShooterSF's post?

Retrovertigo

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »

Did you read ShooterSF's post?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmkMRUNK8Q4

CruelCoin

This Good Friday, I'm going to the pub and I'm going to get absolutely wasted out of sheer principle.

The Flying Spaghetti Monster, all praise be his Noodles, shall surely rejoice that we are moving away from the Christian dark ages.

May the Grog flow for all who would want it, whenever they should want to lend praise to our saucy lord!

RAmen!

CruelCoin

murpho999 wrote: »

I think if the law was loosened that the majority of pubs would not be open anyway.
urs.

You think any business man will pass up the chance?

valoren

The annoyance was never really about not being able to have a drink, but the complete and total ban on selling alcohol for solely religious reasons. Spoiler: Not everyone is religious and to have laws foisted on them has always been the bug bear.

Now that the ban is lifted, those who are of a religious persuasion can abstain as is want while everyone else can carry on as normal. Common sense prevails.

El Weirdo

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote: »

Did you read ShooterSF's post?

Yes.

Perhaps we should compel all businesses to close for one day a year so the staff can go on a jolly-up together.

Mr.H

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote:

The origin of celebrating Christmas Day is now lost on many people, but that doesn't mean Christmas has been scrapped. Many traditions originated due to religious belief and continue to be upheld by those who no longer have that belief.

Nobody is calling for good Friday to be scrapped. The point is now you have choice.

Choice is only a good thing.

As for tradition. That's a word used by people who don't like change.

Religious beliefs have no place in the tone of law.

Mr.H

Rose Ashy Rigging wrote:

I suppose it's the way some people got so worked up about it I find hard to understand, instead of just rolling their eyes and opening a bottle of wine at home.

I don't drink at home. Never have. Why should I do it to appease your religious beliefs?

beertons

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Apparently it's tradition in some parts of the country for publicans to paint their pubs on Good Friday.

Have to do it on xmas day now.

Same with getting the carpets redone.

Mr.H

beertons wrote:

Same with getting the carpets redone.

Pubs can still close if they want. I know many pubs who don't open every day anyway. Some pubs don't open until evening no. Some pubs open only for a few hours on the morning in fact.

Choice!

AudreyHepburn

GritBiscuit wrote: »

Apathy doesn't change laws...if you want to elicit change and forge the kind of society you want to live in and your kids to live in rather than meekly doffing the cap to previous generations, eye rolling isn't going to do it...unfortunately.

I agree there needs to be change as regards the church and its influence - I just think are bigger problems regarding the Church to worry about than not being able to get to the pub one night of the year.

As the other poster says it’s how worked up people get over it that is hard to understand.

Mr.H

What do other businesses do when they want bot clean the place nor get the carpets redone???

I mean FFS the excuses by the traditionalists are pathetic

Mutant z

I dont know what all the complaining is about no one is going to force anyone to go into a pub on good Fiday if they dont want to but the same courtesy needs to be extended to those that do its all about choice you see.