Mum of 4 jailed for stealing €100k from the social

suicide_circus

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

I'll have to stop reading boards. It's depresssing to see so many pious superior cnuts wielding their virtual pitchforks in these type of threads. Makes me sick to the stomach.

Hope you have a medical card

splinter65

Odhinn wrote: »

So do we sentence people regardless of circumstance?

No. We balance out all the mitigating factors and try to achieve a fair consequence.
In this case the victim is the tax payer and citizens who have maybe had to go without because she stole from them, and the guilty woman who was quite rightly allowed to put her side of the story to the judge.

HONKEY TONK

Odhinn wrote: »

So do we sentence people regardless of circumstance?

It seems everyone who needs a defence lawyer suffers from the same symptoms.

Im surprized the Tough Childhood card was not added.

splinter65

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

I'll have to stop reading boards. It's depresssing to see so many pious superior cnuts wielding their virtual pitchforks in these type of threads. Makes me sick to the stomach.

Do you not think that Justice has been done in this case then Randle ?

Your Face

suicide_circus wrote: »

Does that make you the kleenex?

No, it makes you a tired and obvious cliche

splinter65

Odhinn wrote: »

Well the court did and I doubt they did it on trust.

I'm not saying she shouldn't do time, because she ripped them off for years, but she's hardly worth getting out the torches and pitchforks for.

Who is the “them” that she ripped of for years Odhinn ? Whose money is it that she stole?

MilesMorales1

gordongekko wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/motheroffour-jailed-for-stealing-around-100k-in-fraudulent-social-welfare-payments-36530689.html

She gave up the job now and is paying back €25 a week. It'll take her 4000 weeks to pay us back out of the money we give her for free

Who is we? She steal the money from your wallet did she?


Never condone welfare fraud and this punishment is entirely appropriate, but the holier than thou outraged types in these threads really turn my stomach.

splinter65

BattleCorp wrote: »

Supposing she sells her house and has no assets upon death, it would be pretty hard to claim the balance in that case.

If your in receipt of SW and you sell your house you are obliged to inform them as per your contract with them, and they will find out as they are now closely liasing with Revenue.
As she now has a very large red flag against her PPSN she wouldn’t get away with selling her house and not telling them.

splinter65

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Who is we? She steal the money from your wallet did she?


Never condone welfare fraud and this punishment is entirely appropriate, but the holier than thou outraged types in these threads really turn my stomach.

The money she stole is money belonging to all of us.
We need that money to pay for nurses and teachers and doctors and Gardai etc
Where do you think that money comes from?

HONKEY TONK

valoren wrote: »

10 months in jail, her reputation, and by extension probably that of her family destroyed.
Seems like a fair punishment. Sends a clear message to dole fraudsters.

Take the 10 months out because she wont be serving it.

Do you think it still sends a clear message?

her reputation, and by extension probably that of her family destroyed.

Colonel Claptrap

Welfare cheats cheat us all.

BillyBobBS

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

Welfare cheats cheat us all.

Vulture funds cheat us all.

BillyBobBS

Randle P. McMurphy wrote: »

I'll have to stop reading boards. It's depresssing to see so many pious superior cnuts wielding their virtual pitchforks in these type of threads. Makes me sick to the stomach.

Its a cesspit but thankfully its not an accurate representation of our society. The same ghouls each time also :pac:

the_syco

Steal money from the social, fiddle the taxes for garlic, etc = jail

Hit & kill elderly person with car, cause injury to Garda; couple of community hours

NinetyTwoTeam

Your Face wrote: »

Outrage porn for the the impotently angry.

Exactly, clue is in the OP 'she stole it from US', money WE gave her'.

The government takes the money, it ceases to be yours at that point. They'll piss it away regardless, no point moaning about where it goes. Welfare cheats cheat us all was such an own goal they have to make sure stories like this get attention to try and justify it.

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the_syco

the_syco wrote: »

Steal money from the social, fiddle the taxes for garlic, etc = jail

Hit & kill elderly person with car, cause injury to Garda; couple of community hours

Community hours for this lady seems like a better plan than debtors prisons

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Vulture funds cheat us all.

I agree, however I don't think that means we should ignore welfare cheats. Seeing the outcome of this case will probably only embolden people who decide welfare fraud is worth the risk. Defraud the state of thousands of euro and IF you get caught, pay it back at the princely rate of 15% of your weekly rate. At worst, it essentially amounts to an interest free loan.

Guy:Incognito

the_syco wrote: »

Steal money from the social, fiddle the taxes for garlic, etc = jail

Hit & kill elderly person with car, cause injury to Garda; couple of community hours

Theres loads of examples of people not getting jail for stealing from the social.

A very recent one was the tallaght woman who worked in the social welfare office and stole money by setting up a claim using her brothers pps.

The stories in the papers were full of "work is me" and how the family were struggling to pay a mortgage etc. Yet anyone who has he on their Facebook could tell you there was plenty of laughing and joking in the days surrounding the court dates, so she obviously wasn't that bothered. She also has a very healthy social life, including being away the last 3 weekends I believe . She's doing alright for someone struggling to make ends meet.....


And really, the garlic thing again?

dxhound2005

seamus wrote: »

No, that doesn't really make any sense.

Most people who pull of SW fraud aren't multi millionaires storing up their ill-gotten gains in an offshore bank account.

Practically all of them won't have a bean to their name, and won't have a job or will have a very low-paying job.

So cutting off their social welfare payments until they pay back what they stole is like standing on someone's head while they're drowning.

I only ever knew one man who I suspected might be doing a SW fraud. He has since emigrated to Spain. You must know loads of them.

dxhound2005

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Theres loads of examples of people not getting jail for stealing from the social.

A very recent one was the tallaght woman who worked in the social welfare office and stole money by setting up a claim using her brothers pps.

The stories in the papers were full of "work is me" and how the family were struggling to pay a mortgage etc. Yet anyone who has he on their Facebook could tell you there was plenty of laughing and joking in the days surrounding the court dates, so she obviously wasn't that bothered. She also has a very healthy social life, including being away the last 3 weekends I believe . She's doing alright for someone struggling to make ends meet.....


And really, the garlic thing again?

Every time I see Garlic Man mentioned I am reminded of the SW fraudster from around the same time who got sent down for 12 years. They both set out with a deliberate plan over a very long time to rob the State's coffers, and both got away with around the same amount before they were caught. But Garlic Man got a lighter sentence, probably because of his standing in society.

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

Glad to see the judge ignoring her sob story.
Wait now for the lefties to come along with the “what about the bankers” nonsense.
€20 billion+ a year on SW. If cretins like this didn’t steal double what their entitled too maybe there’d be more for carers and disabled people.
Nothing to do with bankers.

Yes, i absolutely agree she should get her punishment but so should the likes of that pr1ck Drumm who committed fraud on a much higher scale. Its the one rule for one and other rule for their friends i hate

dxhound2005

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, i absolutely agree she should get her punishment but so should the likes of that pr1ck Drumm who committed fraud on a much higher scale. Its the one rule for one and other rule for their friends i hate

That case has not been concluded.

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, i absolutely agree she should get her punishment but so should the likes of that pr1ck Drumm who committed fraud on a much higher scale. Its the one rule for one and other rule for their friends i hate

Drum is on trial at the moment , so he’s getting his chance in court the same way this woman did.

the_syco

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And really, the garlic thing again?

Yus. The garlic thing is the AH version of Godwins law. Ann frankly the garlic thing is great to show the governments priorities :pac:

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That case has not been concluded.

splinter65 wrote: »

Drum is on trial at the moment , so he’s getting his chance in court the same way this woman did.

Fair point but im skeptical as to whether it will be anything the same outcome for him to be honest. We live in hope. The closer you are to the government, the more favourable outcome. Takes a long time to bring a crooked banker to trial i noticed. He done a runner in 09 or 10 sure.

Icemancometh

the_syco wrote: »

Yus. The garlic thing is the AH version of Godwins law. Ann frankly the garlic thing is great to show the governments priorities :pac:

*Cough*

Icemancometh wrote: »

Garlic man is the Godwin's law of boards.

Me last week:D

The J Stands for Jay

BattleCorp wrote: »

Unfortunately we aren't allowed to let people starve, no matter what crimes they have committed.

Couldn't she just live off the asset she acquired from her fraudulent income?

dxhound2005

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair point but im skeptical as to whether it will be anything the same outcome for him to be honest. We live in hope. The closer you are to the government, the more favourable outcome. Takes a long time to bring a crooked banker to trial i noticed. He done a runner in 09 or 10 sure.

It took 13 years for the fraud in this Social Welfare case to be discovered.

Kermit.de.frog

How many years did the Garlic man get?

Give her that.

Doctors room ghost

BattleCorp wrote: »

Unfortunately we aren't allowed to let people starve, no matter what crimes they have committed.

No fear of this thieving animal starving.she should have joined a gym with some of the money she stole.as for coeliac condition you would think that would keep her from shoveling pies down her big gullet.once a thief always a thief.she was years at the fraud and when she was caught it’s a huge surprise to her.if justice was served the hag would never be allowed a welfare claim again in her miserable life.judge should have said hope you saved some of your stash thief cos we are cutting you off.
Just hope they check out her spawn kids finances now to make sure they didn’t get business lessons from mama

Doctors room ghost

gordongekko wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/motheroffour-jailed-for-stealing-around-100k-in-fraudulent-social-welfare-payments-36530689.html

She gave up the job now and is paying back €25 a week. It'll take her 4000 weeks to pay us back out of the money we give her for free

She can sit at home now for good and watch her fat arse getting bigger.she should be out bagging rubbish out of the ditches in a chain gang and the ones working in the welfare department should be with her.she was years at the fraud and not one of the idiots in welfare department spotted it.finger on the pulse as always paddy Irish man

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Cushie Butterfield

Her sister facilitated the crime by allowing her to use her address. I would have thought she would be done for conspiracy to defraud. Needless to say she won’t even have got as much as a caution.

There is also the matter of how someone who is deemed incapable of work (in her maiden name) can be capable of work (in her married name) for such a long time without being reviewed & verified for ongoing entitlement.

House should be seized & into a dreary b&b with her until she draws her last breath, or moves far enough up the housing list for her to be housed in social housing. I know the state would still be paying for this but at least she wouldn’t be enjoying the fruits of her ill gotten gain. Alternatively the sister should be made to House her - she used her address for long enough.

Surely thieves such as her need to be punished in some way, shape or form, & even someone as long in the tooth as she is needs to finally learn that crime doesn’t ultimately pay & that there are consequences to her actions.

Thankfully the new public services card has helped to expose her crimes - that’s a good start, but what’s the use in exposing the crime if sweet f all is done when these vermin suffer little or no consequence?

benny79

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

How many years did the Garlic man get?

Give her that.

I dont know what he got I think about 6 years but was out after a year and a bit back running the family business and worth millions. I knew him a few years ago done some work from him not the greatest employer.

thebourke

I signed onto social welfare last week...first time in 14 years been on welfare. I signed on last week, i had to get a public services card and get my photograph taken.

benny79

splinter65 wrote: »

Drum is on trial at the moment , so he’s getting his chance in court the same way this woman did.

Yeah the same as fitzgerald, sweet fa will happen! Golden Circle.. The case takes ages to appear in court (to let the dusk settle) when it does another "scandal" will so timelessly hit the head lines to deter attention away from the case as he walks away with a slap on the wrist to still enjoy his millions.

If you ever watched the Wire in one season its all on politics I think its season 5/6 and how it works. Aiden Gillen (Irish Actor) is running for mayor and then becomes mayor. Its very interesting and opened my eyes! as its exactly what happens. As there was hardly a whisper when Fitzgerald or fitzpatrick the main man walked free! Sorry cant think of his name off hand think its Fitzgerald. The main man response for putting are Country in recession!!

sbsquarepants

Jaysus Christ - she fiddled the scratcher to get by, while working part time as a cleaner in a hospital.
They way some of you are going on you'd swear she was Christy Kinahan!

Doctors room ghost

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Jaysus Christ - she fiddled the scratcher to get by, while working part time as a cleaner in a hospital.
They way some of you are going on you'd swear she was Christy Kinahan!

She’s a dirty thief,a fraud and a liar who sits around on her fat arse while the rest of us turn up to work to pay taxes and barely survive while the frauds and thieves thrive. If we all had her attitude society as we know it would cease to function.
I hope she gets a bout of scour that would knock a horse and I hope it lasts years

Doctors room ghost

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Jaysus Christ - she fiddled the scratcher to get by, while working part time as a cleaner in a hospital.
They way some of you are going on you'd swear she was Christy Kinahan!

To get by you say.manys the honest hardworking man or woman who struggles to get by but doesn’t resort to theft and fraud.she should be in a chain gang and knock some good out of her in community service instead of housing her fat arse in a warm prison.shes too fat and useless looking to do any good though I’d say even if you did put her working

Cushie Butterfield

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Jaysus Christ - she fiddled the scratcher to get by, while working part time as a cleaner in a hospital.
They way some of you are going on you'd swear she was Christy Kinahan!

She didn’t fiddle the scratcher. She fiddled invalidity payments using a different PPS number.

Of the €139k that she received, she would have been entitled to €39k if she had been honest & signed on the scratcher for the days she wasn’t working. This is allowed so nothing wrong doing that. She could also have claimed an invalidity payment & worked for the few days a week (partial capacity), so as things stand the state are ONLY down €100k.

You can introduce all the crime lords you want to the topic but the fact that this woman is a criminal doesn’t change, & certainly doesn’t make what she did any more palatable for normal, decent & honest people.

You obviously feel it’s a trivial matter - I don’t.

HONKEY TONK

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Jaysus Christ - she fiddled the scratcher to get by, while working part time as a cleaner in a hospital.
They way some of you are going on you'd swear she was Christy Kinahan!

Except. The Kinahan's is Gangland who fuck up each other.

This woman and people like her are fucking all of us who work.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It took 13 years for the fraud in this Social Welfare case to be discovered.

How long to bring it to trial upon discovery though?

HONKEY TONK

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

Except. The Kinahan's is Gangland who fuck up each other.

This woman and people like her are fucking all of us who work.

Oh, did the Kinahans pay much import tax on the drugs they imported do you know? Or income tax on earnings?

timmy880

Glad to see the judge ignoring her sob story.
Wait now for the lefties to come along with the “what about the bankers” nonsense.
€20 billion+ a year on SW. If cretins like this didn’t steal double what their entitled too maybe there’d be more for carers and disabled people.
Nothing to do with bankers.

Why is everything "lefties" and "the right" no matter what the topic? I don't remember this being done until Brexit/Trump politics emerged etc.....

Anyway, annoying her lawyers went down the "she was only using it to pay her mortgage and keep a roof over her family's head" defense. It's still stolen money.

Cushie Butterfield

Cushie Butterfield wrote: »

She didn’t fiddle the scratcher. She fiddled invalidity payments using a different PPS number.

Of the €139k that she received, she would have been entitled to €39k if she had been honest & signed on the scratcher for the days she wasn’t working. This is allowed so nothing wrong doing that. She could also have claimed an invalidity payment & worked for the few days a week (partial capacity), so as things stand the state are ONLY down €100k.

You can introduce all the crime lords you want to the topic but the fact that this woman is a criminal doesn’t change, & certainly doesn’t make what she did any more palatable for normal, decent & honest people.

You obviously feel it’s a trivial matter - I don’t.

No one is disputing the fact that she is guilty and should be duly punished but for justice to prevail she needs to set a benchmark. Those who are found guilty of defrauding the state on a larger scale should receive the appropriate punishment, otherwise it's farcical

boardsuser1

A conviction of this scale won't impact her much, granted there is publicity and she has been named, but give it a few months and the next one will come along and it'll be dead in the water.

Long story short, she's unlikely to need garda vetting for a job at her age,or a permanent residency visa for Australia etc.

If she was in her 20's then she'd be fcuked altogether for life.

animaal

She committed a crime, got caught, and has been found guilty. Job done. She may or may not be a terrible person. The sentence may or may not be harsh enough.

Rather than chasing her with pitchforks, I'd rather that effort went into cleaning up the system and finding other cheats. Finding others will have more of a deterrent effect than focussing all the attention on her.

BillyBobBS

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

Except. The Kinahan's is Gangland who fuck up each other.

This woman and people like her are fucking all of us who work.

Umm great logic there pal. I'll hazard a guess the money spent by the justice system on policing the effects of the Kinahan crime cartel is a tad bit higher the amount this defrauded us all by.

boardsuser1

animaal wrote: »

She committed a crime, got caught, and has been found guilty. Job done. She may or may not be a terrible person. The sentence may or may not be harsh enough.

Rather than chasing her with pitchforks, I'd rather that effort went into cleaning up the system and finding other cheats. Finding others will have more of a deterrent effect than focussing all the attention on her.

Only for facial recognition she’d never have been caught more than likely.