October 2018 Babies club

Cash_Q

mirrorwall14 wrote:

They didn’t move us for well over an hour or maybe even two? I don’t think they expected us to be finished and it was during nurse shift change so we got some lovely quiet time together in the labour room

I was wondering what the standard time is before being moved to the ward... that sounds nice to have had that bit of time together. I dread staying in hospital, dread sharing a ward, dread being away from my home comforts and privacy. I know the staff will be a great support but I am really hoping to be discharged as soon as possible after the birth.

greenttc

I ended up in a theatre having my baby cause they thought i was going to have emergency c section but they just did episiotomy instead so I didn't get to stay in that room if course. I was brought to a special recovery room for about an hour and a half but that was because of my own health issues l, didn't need to be there but that is what the hospital had planned for me and it was nice. Then I was down to the ward and had my shower then.

All super fast for me too so no time for epidural but yeah I am scared of it going so fast, I'm exactly the same in thinking a slower labour would probably be way way better. Too intense and no breaks in pain the other way!

WeatherRocks

My last labour was also fast & intense with no breaks between the contractions, so I had the epidural, episiotomy and ventouse. I found the episiotomy hard to recover from and was on strong painkillers for 4weeks.
I was in the mind set that I would always be getting a break between the contractions (you read it everywhere!) but seems for a lot of us there was no break! The epidural was amazing taking the pain away but it really slowed down the labour.
The domino midwives are recommending a home birth as my last birth was quick they assume this will be even quicker

I was moved to a ward straightaway last time as they needed the room, and then hubbie sent straight home as it was after midnight. I was like please dont leave me alone I have no idea what im doing!!! but all the midwives were so nice and I guess its good to be thrown in the deep end!

Cash_Q

Wow I'd be hysterical if they make him leave straight away...I know it's outside our control but that's crap

If they're recommending a home birth and you feel like you could do it, then why not! Will they hang around for the clean up and to make you some tea and toast

Jutton

Oh my god I never thought they would send him home, it makes sense of course, but I would be freaking out been left alone.

greenttc

Oh no weather, what hospital were you in? I would go mad if husband was sent home straight away!so unfair!

If you are open to home birth i also reckon go for it! And defo when its your second so you know what is what. So many people have to fight to get it by the sounds of it so if you are being offered a home birth option that is great!

What happens if you did need something like episiotomy though, do they just allow to naturally tear instead? And who can do sutures after? Tearing is not bad either by the way, gentle birth said it was prefferable to episiotomy, i just didnt know what to think of that!

catrionanic

Jesus I didn't realise most people only tool a few minutes to get their stitches done. I knew 90 mins was long but not that long! I had several internal tears, a very deep second-degree tear, and tearing to the front too. They had to get a second opinion from a doctor on how best to stitch up. And then they left a gap, and I got an infection a week later and had to go back to hospital, and yep. Thinking about it now, maybe an episiotomy would've been better! Damn my husband and his big-head genetics!

If you'd a naturally fast labour, and are open to going without drugs, then I say go for the home birth! The domino midwives seem to love them. I think they do sometimes need to take you into hospital after delivery for stitching (at least they did for my friend), but then you're straight back home again.

My other concern would be if things went wrong. I think I read somewhere that they have an ambulance and can get you right into hospital? We live in Ranelagh so super close anyway, but if I was away out in Bray, or further, I don't think I'd be as relaxed about it.

WeatherRocks

My god Catrionanic that sounds pretty severe. That must have been a big recovery. My stitches also only took a few mins, I barely remember it happening.

I was in Holles street Greenttc. It probably wasnt straight away but I remember we basically just got all settled in the ward, baba was asleep and they said ok time for hubbie to go now. I said to him 'be back by 8am sharp or I will murder you' lol. Pretty sure I stayed awake the whole night afraid baby would wake up haha.

I had my 30 week app today so theyve organised to come to the house to chat to us about it. I can ask about the episiotomy then. My husband is not really for it. My only worry is the distance to Holles street as we live in Shankill. We'll see anyway. Thank you for all your comments!

greenttc

WeatherRocks wrote: »

My god Catrionanic that sounds pretty severe. That must have been a big recovery. My stitches also only took a few mins, I barely remember it happening.

I was in Holles street Greenttc. It probably wasnt straight away but I remember we basically just got all settled in the ward, baba was asleep and they said ok time for hubbie to go now. I said to him 'be back by 8am sharp or I will murder you' lol. Pretty sure I stayed awake the whole night afraid baby would wake up haha.

I had my 30 week app today so theyve organised to come to the house to chat to us about it. I can ask about the episiotomy then. My husband is not really for it. My only worry is the distance to Holles street as we live in Shankill. We'll see anyway. Thank you for all your comments!

I was in holles Street too, I gave birth in the very early morning though so maybe that is why my husband was allowed stay. Would have been so upset if he had left me straight away! That is a huge reason for going with home birth if anything. I will kick up a huge fuss if this next baby is born at at a time when my husband will be sent home!

Jutton

A friend of mine had baby in drogheda recently at 4am, nobody tried kicking him out. They did however kick him out at 12 midnight as they didn't think she would have baby so quickly but had to call him back after 30 min.

What is people's opinion on bouncer chair v play mat.
Would you recommend both or if not which is your preference.

catrionanic

Jutton the playmats are great because you can lie baby down from newborn (most bouncer chairs don't lie totally flat so aren't suitable for newborn). They're also great for when they're a few months old because at that stage, the babies love to be free to stretch and kick. And then they get great entertainment out of them from about 3 or 4 months old, as they start to grab at things. They're good for tummy time too. It's also really handy to be able to just lie a small baby down somewhere safe and cosy on the floor so you can pop to the loo or whatever.

Bouncy chairs also have their merits from when they are a few months old. We got good use out of both. But if you're prioritising one over the other, i would choose the play mat.

mirrorwall14

Been a rough few days here with a parents 60th but it’s all gone off well. Couple of nervous scares this week, worried about a slow leak but very tough to tell if is just third trimester bladder problems (I did ring the Coombe and will likely get this checked when we’re back from the west), a lot of SPD issues from running Round the place, serious lightening crotch this morning and I appear to have developed thrush or a heat rash or something under my boob. Classy pregnancy

NeeNeeAW

Oh mirrorwall14 sounds like fun! Pregnancy is such a glam time isn’t it 😂

Struggling myself this last week with horrendous back pain - upper back pain strangely enough! Have GP appointment Tuesday so hoping to get a referral to the physio in the hospital from that! It’s impacting my sitting, sleeping and everything! The pits!

catrionanic

NeeNeeAW wrote: »

Oh mirrorwall14 sounds like fun! Pregnancy is such a glam time isn’t it 😂

Struggling myself this last week with horrendous back pain - upper back pain strangely enough! Have GP appointment Tuesday so hoping to get a referral to the physio in the hospital from that! It’s impacting my sitting, sleeping and everything! The pits!

I hear ya on the back pain! Only it's lower back pain here. Went to a physio yday without much success so gonna try somewhere else.

10.5 weeks feels like a lifetime away.

NeeNeeAW

catrionanic wrote: »

I hear ya on the back pain! Only it's lower back pain here. Went to a physio yday without much success so gonna try somewhere else.

10.5 weeks feels like a lifetime away.

I’ve 12.5 and I wish it was tomorrow! Not enjoying one bit of this whole thing!

greenttc

Yeah my spd is back and kicking up a bit but not as bad as last time. Definitely more uncomfortable at this stage this time round. My hips get so sore from lying on them in bed!

Anyway, was reading today about formula, so I will give BFing a go again as I said before but this time I am fully prepared to not stress about it, possibly will end up combination feeding and eventually go fully formula. Last baby we used aptamil and it was grand, used the prefect prep machine which was a godsend (our wee man was grand, it didn't harm him despite the bad press those machines get, I couldn't have lived without it). Anyway, to get to my point, I am reluctant to use aptamil again due to their recent formula change and how it is really not suiting many babies so was trying to read up on alternative brands, obviously sma and cow and gate. It seems c and g are made by aptamil too so I am worried they will follow suit with a formula change so have ruled them out. Might go with sma but then I have read about aldi formula which seems to have gotten good reviews. Unfortunately I have just fallen into that consumerist mentality of thinking cheaper must mean inferior. What do you guys think or have any not first time mums tried it and what was your experience? The one big downside I see already is that they have no premade bottles which I used a lot last time while out and about.

catrionanic

So sorry to hear your SPD is making a return! Did you say you've finished up in work now? So hard with a toddler but do try to rest as much as possible! Is he still in childcare?

Mine is actually very mild - it's more back pain that's troubling me!

shesty

Green, I have my little man on Aptamil the last few weeks (combination fed for the first 8 weeks or so), and he's ok with it.We used SMA with our first and honestly, was fine.I believe the formula all has to be made to the same standards so the Aldi one should be fine.

Cash_Q

A friend of mine uses the Aldi formula with her son and they find it great. She feels it's a bit 'lighter' on his digestion and it agrees with him better than other formulas did

mirrorwall14

We were cow and gate last time and i’ll Do that or aldi this time.

Sitting on a trace for the last 50 minutes. Variability wasn’t good enough on the first. So water, attempted roll to side (which did not work at all!) and now waiting to see if there was enough this time

On the upside BP is fine, waters haven’t gone so I can go home if he would just oblige on the trace lol

Cash_Q

Oh dear mirrorwall you're having a tough time! Hope you get out of there soon

clacla82

Ditto with the back pain!!! Had avoided all niggles til now...but what I originally thought was a twinge has been there for over a week now.

It is right at lower back on one side and feels like the SI joint so probably posterior pelvic pain...booked in with women's health physio next week , she is expensive but I would give any money to fix this as it it both aching and stabbing and sometimes my leg gives way if I step on that foot..

Anyone any experience with this?

mirrorwall14

Mines mostly crotch and hip based so no experience here.

Home in bed by about 12, took forever to get a good trace but since I went in for reduced movement I was happy to wait until they were happy.

He’s gone head down so I think that’s what’s giving me the stabbing pains down below

catrionanic

clacla82 wrote: »

Ditto with the back pain!!! Had avoided all niggles til now...but what I originally thought was a twinge has been there for over a week now.

It is right at lower back on one side and feels like the SI joint so probably posterior pelvic pain...booked in with women's health physio next week , she is expensive but I would give any money to fix this as it it both aching and stabbing and sometimes my leg gives way if I step on that foot..

Anyone any experience with this?

My SPD on my last pregnancy was all SI pain, and none of the more common pain in the pubic bone. It started on one side and then spread. Is it worse when turning in bed, standing on one leg, climbing stairs etc?

shesty

Mirrorwall I'd say you're praying for October to come quick.

clacla82

catrionanic wrote: »

My SPD on my last pregnancy was all SI pain, and none of the more common pain in the pubic bone. It started on one side and then spread. Is it worse when turning in bed, standing on one leg, climbing stairs etc?

Yes! Oh god... tell me all...

mirrorwall14

shesty wrote: »

Mirrorwall I'd say you're praying for October to come quick.

All good again tbh. Once anything’s been checked I’m happy enough this time. I did want to murder the blood pressure machine the first couple of times though, that’s the one thing I really don’t want again because high BP involves so many many trips to the hospital for checks. Tbf I could have had it a lot worse, never really went full blown pre eclampsia!

catrionanic

clacla82 wrote: »

Yes! Oh god... tell me all...

You're probably best to see a physio, to confirm. They can do magic tricks to help ease the pain. Mine was all So low down in my back it was really in my upper bum. It started on one side but then moved more centrally. I was really bad with it from 25 weeks, but then started doing physio exercises every day and doing all the wee tricks to avoid aggravating it, and rested lots and lots. I had to go down to a 3 day week in work from around 28 weeks and that definitely helped. It meant the third trimester was pretty dull and I wasn't able to do much, but I kept some mobility and didn't have crutches. It never got any worse than it was at 25 weeks. If anything, it was at its worst then, and as I did the right things, it wasn't just as bad

clacla82

catrionanic wrote: »

You're probably best to see a physio, to confirm. They can do magic tricks to help ease the pain. Mine was all So low down in my back it was really in my upper bum. It started on one side but then moved more centrally. I was really bad with it from 25 weeks, but then started doing physio exercises every day and doing all the wee tricks to avoid aggravating it, and rested lots and lots. I had to go down to a 3 day week in work from around 28 weeks and that definitely helped. It meant the third trimester was pretty dull and I wasn't able to do much, but I kept some mobility and didn't have crutches. It never got any worse than it was at 25 weeks. If anything, it was at its worst then, and as I did the right things, it wasn't just as bad

Thanks...I work from home so I suppose I can manage that end of it ok. It sounds exactly like mine, it's still on one side for now. Resting though... I am not one for doing that! Guess it might be taken out of my hands. Good job I got in with that physio next week - she has a 6-8 week waiting list so is coming in at 7am to see me on Thursday, but don't know how I will manage til then. Did you try heat or ice or paracetamol or anything?

Are you suffering this time?

catrionanic

Yes unfortunately you just have to go with the SPD and rest up. You'll soon learn that it's not worth overdoing things, as you'll only end up crippled for a few days afterwards.

I've a touch of it this time but it only bothers me turning in bed etc. I'm doing all the wee things I need to do to minimise aggravating it. I have quite a lot of lower back pain this time, but it feels different to SPD. It also responds to a good back rub, heat and paracetamol in ways that my SPD didn't. It's definitely more tolerable than my SPD was last time, but this time I have a one year old to chase around which isn't easy!

Orange369

Hi girls is SPD something you get diagnosed with or just know the symptoms and recognise you have it? I must have this too, so much pain in my pelvis area really low down around my pubic bone basically.. When I get up and down in work its worse and especially moving around in bed and getting up in the night for a wee too! Very painful.. Defo feeling the strains of the 3rd trimester too now.. I am thinking God how can I do another 10 weeks! I sent off my maternity forms on Wednesday and got a text yesterday to say that they have been received so that's good news and very efficient that they text you so quickly.. Finally got myself a gym ball does anyone find these are any use?

greenttc

Orange369 wrote: »

Hi girls is SPD something you get diagnosed with or just know the symptoms and recognise you have it? I must have this too, so much pain in my pelvis area really low down around my pubic bone basically.. When I get up and down in work its worse and especially moving around in bed and getting up in the night for a wee too! Very painful.. Defo feeling the strains of the 3rd trimester too now.. I am thinking God how can I do another 10 weeks! I sent off my maternity forms on Wednesday and got a text yesterday to say that they have been received so that's good news and very efficient that they text you so quickly.. Finally got myself a gym ball does anyone find these are any use?

It's probably a bit of both orange. I know when I first got symptoms first time round I didn't have a clue what it was and talked to my gp who "diagnosed" me from my description. And referred me to a physio who confirmed it. They tried all sorts of different methods of fixing it and eventually found the one that worked.

This time round I said to the doctor in holles Street that I thought it had returned and just like my gp they just took my word for it, so no tests just heard what the pain was like and diagnosed from there. The holles Street doctor offered to refer me to holles Street physio but I declined as I know they do group sessions and mine will certainly not be cured as part of a group session!

If you feel pain when standing on one leg trying to put on underwear or turning in bed or getting out of a car, anything that requires you to move your legs independently or to separate them it is probably spd. Now that I know what it is mine feels like my pubic bone, right at the very front in the middle is separating every time I move, it's just a combination of the pain and my imagination of what is actually happening i suppose. I am going to make a physio appointment this week if I can get one, I know exactly what needs to be done this time so hoping it will be fixed in one session. Fingers crossed!

Orange369

greenttc wrote: »

Orange369 wrote: »

Hi girls is SPD something you get diagnosed with or just know the symptoms and recognise you have it? I must have this too, so much pain in my pelvis area really low down around my pubic bone basically.. When I get up and down in work its worse and especially moving around in bed and getting up in the night for a wee too! Very painful.. Defo feeling the strains of the 3rd trimester too now.. I am thinking God how can I do another 10 weeks! I sent off my maternity forms on Wednesday and got a text yesterday to say that they have been received so that's good news and very efficient that they text you so quickly.. Finally got myself a gym ball does anyone find these are any use?

It's probably a bit of both orange. I know when I first got symptoms first time round I didn't have a clue what it was and talked to my gp who "diagnosed" me from my description. And referred me to a physio who confirmed it. They tried all sorts of different methods of fixing it and eventually found the one that worked.

This time round I said to the doctor in holles Street that I thought it had returned and just like my gp they just took my word for it, so no tests just heard what the pain was like and diagnosed from there. The holles Street doctor offered to refer me to holles Street physio but I declined as I know they do group sessions and mine will certainly not be cured as part of a group session!

If you feel pain when standing on one leg trying to put on underwear or turning in bed or getting out of a car, anything that requires you to move your legs independently or to separate them it is probably spd. Now that I know what it is mine feels like my pubic bone, right at the very front in the middle is separating every time I move, it's just a combination of the pain and my imagination of what is actually happening i suppose. I am going to make a physio appointment this week if I can get one, I know exactly what needs to be done this time so hoping it will be fixed in one session. Fingers crossed!

Thanks for the info! Sounds excatly as you describe though moving legs indepentantly of each other.. I am due back in the GP this week for my 30 week check up so I will mention it to the nurse.. Also I am so glad I got a prescription for heartburn medication feel so much better with no heartburn although the hospital only gave me a 2 week supply I need to ask the GP for more this week

mirrorwall14

Trying to stay awake until bedtime and failing miserably. Feck it I’m off to sleep!

mirrorwall14

Aaaaand I’m still awake. That did not work. Damn it

Cash_Q

Wrecked all day here too Mirrorwall14, I had two late nights in a row, slept til 10am which was great but crashed at 1pm and again at 6pm, felt like I'd been hit by a bus with the tiredness.

GP checkup the other day showed my thyroid meds were off so they've been changed, very low iron so I've started on supplements plus Vit C, urine test showed a kidney infection so I'm on an antibiotic and probitoic, and I finally got a prescription for ranitidine - it's amazing the difference that's made!

Hopefully I feel the benefits of all the other stuff I 've started soon, we're at a wedding on Wednesday and I really don't want to have to sneak off for naps!

mirrorwall14

You are going through the mill Cash_Q!! Had a pretty appalling nights sleep, finally fell asleep around 1 and got 5 hours but its a bank holiday so went back for a nap from 9-11 and I'm feeling more human.

New symptom this weekend though, I'm incredibly itchy! Super frustrating and annoying

catrionanic

Have you mentioned that to your doctor, mirrorwall? Sometimes the itching can be a sign of a liver issue in pregnancy.

catrionanic

I know this is an awful thing to say, and I've still a long way to go yet, but I'm 30 weeks now and am so ready for this pregnancy to be over. I'm so sick of feeling sick, exhausted, sore, fat and useless! I dunno how I will cope it I go overdue again- I turned into a total psycho last time. Just want this baby outtttttttt.

mirrorwall14

Right there with you catrionanic!! And yeah I was checked on my last and it was clear so I was kinda just waiting for it to calm down but its been particularly crap this morning, I keep catching myself scratching. I'll buzz later if it doesn't stop

clacla82

catrionanic wrote: »

Yes unfortunately you just have to go with the SPD and rest up. You'll soon learn that it's not worth overdoing things, as you'll only end up crippled for a few days afterwards.

I've a touch of it this time but it only bothers me turning in bed etc. I'm doing all the wee things I need to do to minimise aggravating it. I have quite a lot of lower back pain this time, but it feels different to SPD. It also responds to a good back rub, heat and paracetamol in ways that my SPD didn't. It's definitely more tolerable than my SPD was last time, but this time I have a one year old to chase around which isn't easy!

Thanks for all that Catriona. In fairness it's there about 10 days and doesn't seem to be getting any worse, it flares up pretty randomly, could be fine for ages then one step and it's agony. Woke up during the night and it was aching and god was I grumpy this morning, it would get you down. I have been flying through this pregnancy so far, I hope the last 9 weeks or so aren't going to be hell...

Cash_Q

catrionanic wrote:

I know this is an awful thing to say, and I've still a long way to go yet, but I'm 30 weeks now and am so ready for this pregnancy to be over. I'm so sick of feeling sick, exhausted, sore, fat and useless! I dunno how I will cope it I go overdue again- I turned into a total psycho last time. Just want this baby outtttttttt.

Couldn't agree more! Not too bad today or even the last couple of days, but had a meltdown midweek and just fed up. This being my first I've no experience of being overdue but I'm telling myself baby will be here by Halloween so it will feel early no matter when it comes as I'm due the 14th so no way they'll leave me til Halloween lol. Getting to the 30 week mark does feel like the end is in sight though so that is helping me massively!

Thanks for the sympathy Mirrorwall14, glad you got some extra sleep this morning, I woke at 1am and 3am and finally at 4.50am but did sleep again from 8-11 and feeling much better today. Doing my best to chill out today to build up some energy.

Starting 1 of 5 antenatal classes with the Coombe tomorrow, anyone else in??

Orange369

Cash_Q wrote: »

catrionanic wrote:

I know this is an awful thing to say, and I've still a long way to go yet, but I'm 30 weeks now and am so ready for this pregnancy to be over. I'm so sick of feeling sick, exhausted, sore, fat and useless! I dunno how I will cope it I go overdue again- I turned into a total psycho last time. Just want this baby outtttttttt.

Couldn't agree more! Not too bad today or even the last couple of days, but had a meltdown midweek and just fed up. This being my first I've no experience of being overdue but I'm telling myself baby will be here by Halloween so it will feel early no matter when it comes as I'm due the 14th so no way they'll leave me til Halloween lol. Getting to the 30 week mark does feel like the end is in sight though so that is helping me massively!

Thanks for the sympathy Mirrorwall14, glad you got some extra sleep this morning, I woke at 1am and 3am and finally at 4.50am but did sleep again from 8-11 and feeling much better today. Doing my best to chill out today to build up some energy.

Starting 1 of 5 antenatal classes with the Coombe tomorrow, anyone else in??

My classes are on Thursday mornings ill be on the 3rd one this week.. Have to say found them very good so far lots of information! First was all about recognising labour and 2nd was all about pain relief options.. We are getting the baby room ready all weekend feels so weird feeling at the furniture in there now.. I feel the same some days I am like omg how will I do 10 more weeks but I reckon it wil fly in for us! Well hopefully....

Cash_Q

Orange369 wrote:

My classes are on Thursday mornings ill be on the 3rd one this week.. Have to say found them very good so far lots of information! First was all about recognising labour and 2nd was all about pain relief options.. We are getting the baby room ready all weekend feels so weird feeling at the furniture in there now.. I feel the same some days I am like omg how will I do 10 more weeks but I reckon it wil fly in for us! Well hopefully....

Ah that's great youre finding them so informative, I'm looking forward to them as my head is a bit in the clouds regarding labour!
How long are the classes? Is your other half going? On the phone they told me he only needs to come to one of them, but my friend was saying yesterday that he should be at them all as her husband would have been lost without all the info...my husband simply won't be given time off on 5 separate days..

greenttc

Cash_Q wrote: »

Ah that's great youre finding them so informative, I'm looking forward to them as my head is a bit in the clouds regarding labour!
How long are the classes? Is your other half going? On the phone they told me he only needs to come to one of them, but my friend was saying yesterday that he should be at them all as her husband would have been lost without all the info...my husband simply won't be given time off on 5 separate days..

By law your husband is entitled to time off for two of the five classes cash, its definitely worth him going so he knows everythimg you know and knows how he can help and what you might need

Cash_Q

greenttc wrote:

By law your husband is entitled to time off for two of the five classes cash, its definitely worth him going so he knows everythimg you know and knows how he can help and what you might need

We heard he's only entitled to one day for a class? And they had no full day classes available hence I'm doing the 5 days. I find it really frustrating how the hospital tells me one thing but it differs from other people's experience

Cash_Q

greenttc wrote:

By law your husband is entitled to time off for two of the five classes cash, its definitely worth him going so he knows everythimg you know and knows how he can help and what you might need

Like if he should be at todays class it's too late now, they gave me only one date of a class he shouldn't miss

mirrorwall14

Citizens information says fathers have a one off right to attend two antenatal classes

Just back from the Coombe and the liver bloods. Itch is driving me nuts! Perinatal were great though, in and out at speed. They’ll ring and I’ll have to go back if they are up but I’d say they’ll be fine. They were the last time anyways!

Panda18

Oh god, the exhaustion! Up most of the night either peeing or getting sick. There won’t be much done in work today. Looking forward to maternity leave at the end of the month purely to be able to have a nap during the day!

Orange369

Cash_Q wrote: »

greenttc wrote:

By law your husband is entitled to time off for two of the five classes cash, its definitely worth him going so he knows everythimg you know and knows how he can help and what you might need

Like if he should be at todays class it's too late now, they gave me only one date of a class he shouldn't miss

Go onto Citizens information he is entitled to two classes! My other half came to both so far and he will come to the rest too I think 80% of women had someone with them, some had mothers etc. To be honest I think they are nearly more for his benefit as he is clueless and I love all the tv shows one born every min etc so I have a fair idea but it is all brand new information for him! Mine are 8.30 until 10am and on the way into work thank god I only work 10-15 mins from Coombe and classes its been so handy for work afterwards for me.. I think the next class is when things dont go according to plan sections intervention etc so ill be looking forward to getting all that info