Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018

Liam McPoyle

No clue how tomorrow will go.

We obviously have the capability to beat Chelsea as we proved last season, we have a better squad this year but are devoid of anything resembling confidence.

I do think if we lose we will end up missing out on top 4.

Palace away is tricky and then the Scouse.

It will be an utter failure if we fail to make the top 4.

Lithium93_

pjohnson wrote: »

"King Luis" who the **** is that?

Well according to Google, he was the last ever French king :pac:

irishman86

StringerBell wrote: »

Have I missed a meltdown on this thread or something? Pretty sure I've been here for the last while and haven't seen one but judging on some comments elsewhere I feel like I must have missed a few lads breaking the computer screens?

Anybody who is butthurt about today or if results today have surprised anybody can you raise your hand and move to the side of the room so I can see you?

I came in here to see these comments. Im guessing by your tone im in for a disappointment Guess it saves me scrolling back a few pages looking

StringerBell

irishman86 wrote: »

I came in here to see these comments. Im guessing by your tone im in for a disappointment Guess it saves me scrolling back a few pages looking

It's a strange one alright. The others seen convinced it's happening , I dunno maybe they were looking forward to a reaction and when none came they just ploughed ahead with it anyway .

Don't waste your time going back though no, not much to see there in that regard.

Trigger

How good was that bloody Scotland result!

irishman86

StringerBell wrote: »

It's a strange one alright. The others seen convinced it's happening , I dunno maybe they were looking forward to a reaction and when none came they just ploughed ahead with it anyway .

Don't waste your time going back though no, not much to see there in that regard.

Ah tbh the guy that came for a card made my day
It was brilliant
Word mastery at its best
:pac::pac:

Lithium93_

astradave wrote: »

How good was that bloody Scotland result!

Sets up a very interesting game against the English on St. Patrick's Day.

Trigger

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Sets up a very interesting game against the English on St. Patrick's Day.

Depends, if we beat Scotland next week, England will have to get a BP result in France and if we get a BP against Sco, they will need one against us too.. looks a lot for them at the mo

Lithium93_

astradave wrote: »

Depends, if we beat Scotland next week, England will have to get a BP result in France and if we get a BP against Sco, they will need one against us too.. looks a lot for them at the mo

So let me get this, Ireland beat Scotland, England fall against France, and Ireland beat England on St. Patrick's Day, Ireland win the 6 Nations?

Should watch more rugby..

Trigger

Lithium93_ wrote: »

So let me get this, Ireland beat Scotland, England fall against France, and Ireland beat England on St. Patrick's Day, Ireland win the 6 Nations?

Should watch more rugby..

If Ireland beat Scotland and England lose to France, Ireland will win the six nations, if they then beat England, they will win the Grand slam( beating every team) if Ireland beat Scotland and score 4 tries, England will need to win both matches with scoring 4 tries in each in the process and then it will go to Points difference

Will I Am Not

What way do we expect Chelsea to set up tomorrow? Same as what worked fairly well during the week or will they go with Morata/Giroud?

Trigger

Will I Am Not wrote: »

What way do we expect Chelsea to set up tomorrow? Same as what worked fairly well during the week or will they go with Morata/Giroud?

If Conte has any sense at all he will start Giroud, that fecker always seems to cause us hassle

StringerBell

Will I Am Not wrote: »

What way do we expect Chelsea to set up tomorrow? Same as what worked fairly well during the week or will they go with Morata/Giroud?

I think he will start with a striker alright, the game against us is a lot more winnable.

Will I Am Not

Will I Am Not wrote: »

You’d be surprised what people have time for. I’ve seen some very mental sh*t go on offsite about users here.

This post got thanked a lot. Anyone care to PM me to put me in the picture?

...........................

So, never mind what happened with Liverpool today. They have been arguably the form team of the Top 2-6 as of late. We'd want to have been doing exceptional to maintain a decent cushion over them in the last 6 weeks.

It's the fact that a loss to Chelsea tomorrow lets Chelsea back into the mix with us that bothers me. Add in a Spurs win away to Palace, it would leave Spurs just a point behind us and Chelsea. That right there is a battle for Top 4 which we should not have let ourselves get dragged back into.

Some might take a draw tomorrow, but we could badly do with a win. Recent draws against Leicester, Burnley and Southampton and a loss to Newcastle means that we can't just settle for a draw in these big games now.

Jose will know exactly what's at stake tomorrow and won't want his team losing another PL game, or Chelsea/Conte getting yet another one over him. Especially not on home turf. It's the players who have to realise what's at stake and show some desire to win out on the field.

If some of them have other things at the front of their minds, like 'What's the point? The league is gone anyway' or 'I'm feeling a bit unwell, maybe I'll sit this one out coach', well then we're in a lot more trouble than I thought and there's nothing Jose or any manager can do to fix those sort of attitudes.

Will I Am Not

StringerBell wrote: »

I think he will start with a striker alright, the game against us is a lot more winnable.

No doubt it’s more winnable. I was just thinking that frontline the other night would cause us a lot more bother than a big man up front.

StringerBell

Will I Am Not wrote: »

No doubt it’s more winnable. I was just thinking that frontline the other night would cause us a lot more bother than a big man up front.

Depends on the defenders, we struggle a lot under the high ball considering the height in the team. Moratas goal against us earlier in the year sticking out, completely free in the middle of the box. We just don't deal great with balls into the box.

I think we would smother the attacking movement well enough of a false 9. The physical teams gave is most problems this season I have it in my head anyway

Will I Am Not

StringerBell wrote: »

Depends on the defenders, we struggle a lot under the high ball considering the height in the team. Moratas goal against us earlier in the year sticking out, completely free in the middle of the box. We just don't deal great with balls into the box.

I think we would smother the attacking movement well enough of a false 9. The physical teams gave is most problems this season I have it in my head anyway

In my head it’s pacy, tricky front men we struggle against :pac:
Suppose we struggle against everyone lately

DM_7

Lord TSC wrote: »

Well it strikes me that there's now a group who seem to prioritize style of play over winning anything.....

Define style? Surely any winning team does it with style.

I enjoyed Real and Bayerns Champions League winning sides more than Barca or the other extreme Chelsea. Leicester won the premier league with something more enjoyable to watch for me than what City do. But they all played football the right way for them.

For me it is about function as a cohesive unit. Whole team understands roles, the team set up gets the best from the group, everyone works for the group and shared goals. The best team control where the game is played and set up moments for them to win. Sometimes the other team is so good they will still get their own moments but you at least give yourself a foot hold to get your own chances.

That is what lets this United team down right now. It seems to be too much of a seperation between defence and attack on big games. United don't control enough big games to create game winning moments.

StringerBell

Will I Am Not wrote: »

In my head it’s pacy, tricky front men we struggle against :pac:
Suppose we struggle against everyone lately

Eh, you may be right that we struggle against all of them at the minute!

Buck Melanoma

Lord TSC wrote: »

They were also chanting "one lying bastard" at him as well, so it's slightly more than just being an "ex Man U player", but I think you lot already know that

Evra was the fella that made unsubstantiated (false) allegations against Chelsea ground staff during warm down after a game??But was a reliable when it suited the Fa .

Liam O

Buck Melanoma wrote: »

Evra was the fella that made unsubstantiated (false) allegations against Chelsea ground staff during warm down after a game??But was a reliable when it suited the Fa .

Yeah I remember the Liverpool fans being cut up about it at the time it happened.

I believe it was the eyewitness account from Dirk Kuyt that was seen as reliable.

Can't believe this hasn't been put to bed yet. He said racist things and got punished.

Will I Am Not

It’s like people erase the part where Suarez admitted to calling him negro from their minds.

jayo26

Will I Am Not wrote: »

It’s like people erase the part where Suarez admitted to calling him negro from their minds.

That's what they call their buddies where he comes from and they pinch their skin when they doing it for the added affection.

RobbingBandit

Stick McTominay on Hazard today if he can hold him off give the kid a 20 year contract, today is all about stopping them freely moving the ball about if we can neutralise that they will be frustrated enough for us to nick a couple of goals.

I'd stick Mata and Rashford on the bench and go with Lingard Alexis and Martial all behind Lukaku 4-5-1 formation for me today is best chance of blocking their midfield but go with quick style of play up front with the insurance of Mata and Rashford if things are still slow in the second half.

Will I Am Not

Will I Am Not wrote: »

It’s like people erase the part where Suarez admitted to calling him negro from their minds.

Interesting reading twitter this morning.

Even an ex player is backtracking as he fueled this. I cannot believe this type of ****e is still getting defended.

https://twitter.com/JARiiseOfficial/status/967408037727260672

https://twitter.com/JARiiseOfficial/status/967412727470632961

jayo26

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Interesting reading twitter this morning.

Even an ex player is backtracking. I cannot believe this type of ****e is still getting defended.

https://twitter.com/JARiiseOfficial/status/967412727470632961

It actually is ridiculous. It's almost as if they truly are ashamed to say he was a racist I think the more they deny it and support it the worse it is.

And to make it worse it's not even United fans that can't get over it it's their own fans a that target Evra again 6 years on.

Lord TSC

Anyway, back to United...


Very nervous for today. No clue what's going to happen, by do feel it's going to be a season definer. This and the Pool match.

limnam

Lord TSC wrote: »

Anyway, back to United...


Very nervous for today. No clue what's going to happen, by do feel it's going to be a season definer. This and the Pool match.

Be interesting to see if Pogba is brought back into the starting line up.

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

Anyway, back to United...


Very nervous for today. No clue what's going to happen, by do feel it's going to be a season definer. This and the Pool match.

Most important game for Jose and this team for some time.
I'd be worried if the performance level cannot be raised for a game such as this.
He's got to get them motivated and he's got to get his tactics / team right.
Its a must win game for moral as it is for position in the table.

Trigger

limnam wrote: »

Be interesting to see if Pogba is brought back into the starting line up.

With Herrera and Fellaini injuried I’m sure he will be,

I would like to see a 352 today but it’s probably not going to happen, 433 with matic, Pogba and McTominay and then martial, Lukaku and Sanchez up top is what we will see I reckon

hufpc8w3adnk65

Not very optimistic about today.. hopefully we get the win. I’ll be hiding behind a pint glass for the day wondering is there a hole in the end of the glass as I’ve to refil it so often

limnam

astradave wrote: »

With Herrera and Fellaini injuried I’m sure he will be,

Ah, Forgot about Ander's knock

Trigger

limnam wrote: »

Ah, Forgot about Ander's knock

Knock? I didn’t see it but he posted a picture up on Instagram with him holding his Hammy saying he was disappointed he couldn’t help the team, so I thought he did that..

limnam

astradave wrote: »

Knock? I didn’t see it but he posted a picture up on Instagram with him holding his Hammy saying he was disappointed he couldn’t help the team, so I thought he did that..

knock/injury/unavailability

Quandary

I think we'll win or draw. I expect Jose to be very very cautious with his approach and tactics. If we are adventurous and more offensive than defensive today I would be very surprised.

Draw is probably the most likely result today. If we score first I think we'll win.

LeeJM

I think we win 2 nil today. Hopefully Smalling is dropped and Shaw in at LB, Pogba, Matic, Scott in midfield and Sanchez, Rom and Martial up top.

Dave mentioning 352 got me thinking during his first spell at Chelsea Jose sometimes used a 442 diamond formation and I think that is something that we could really flourish with. Shaw and Valencia providing the width from FB, Matic sitting deep with Pogba and Scott as proper box to box midfielders, Sanchez/Martial at the tip of the diamond in a free role and then any 2 of Rom/Ibra/Rashford/Sanchez/Martial up front.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Pogba coming back hopefully but Matic and McTominay would have to be played behind him.

limnam

LeeJM wrote: »

I think we win 2 nil today. Hopefully Smalling is dropped and Shaw in at LB, Pogba, Matic, Scott in midfield and Sanchez, Rom and Martial up top.

Dave mentioning 352 got me thinking during his first spell at Chelsea Jose sometimes used a 442 diamond formation and I think that is something that we could really flourish with. Shaw and Valencia providing the width from FB, Matic sitting deep with Pogba and Scott as proper box to box midfielders, Sanchez/Martial at the tip of the diamond in a free role and then any 2 of Rom/Ibra/Rashford/Sanchez/Martial up front.

Today is probably not the day to "test" a new formation.

edit: Sorry, Misread your post. You're not suggesting it for today

limnam

The other big question is will we be dawning a match thread :pac:

LeeJM

limnam wrote: »

Today is probably not the day to "test" a new formation.

edit: Sorry, Misread your post. You're not suggesting it for today

Oh yea I'm definitely not suggesting we try it out today. I do think a pacy front 2 with 3 at the back like Dave suggested could work today too. For all our faults at the moment I think Chelseas defence is particularly weak right now and we should cause them problems every time we attack

How Soon Is Now

0-0 is 8/1 on Paddy Power.

Tempted.

limnam

LeeJM wrote: »

Oh yea I'm definitely not suggesting we try it out today. I do think a pacy front 2 with 3 at the back like Dave suggested could work today too. For all our faults at the moment I think Chelseas defence is particularly weak right now and we should cause them problems every time we attack

We played pretty much 3-5 2 for most of the Arsenal game

Worked out well

Trigger

LeeJM wrote: »

I think we win 2 nil today. Hopefully Smalling is dropped and Shaw in at LB, Pogba, Matic, Scott in midfield and Sanchez, Rom and Martial up top.

Dave mentioning 352 got me thinking during his first spell at Chelsea Jose sometimes used a 442 diamond formation and I think that is something that we could really flourish with. Shaw and Valencia providing the width from FB, Matic sitting deep with Pogba and Scott as proper box to box midfielders, Sanchez/Martial at the tip of the diamond in a free role and then any 2 of Rom/Ibra/Rashford/Sanchez/Martial up front.

I love the diamond formation, it’s practically a 433 anyways.. though I would have Mata at the tip and Sanchez and Lukaku up top, think they would complement each other.

They only problem is that it would rely on the FB to provide the width and against Hazard and Willian I can’t see them being able to venture forward much, it’s why I would like 352 today as gives an extra man at the back to allow for the wingbacks to push up

LeeJM

astradave wrote: »

I love the diamond formation, it’s practically a 433 anyways.. though I would have Mata at the tip and Sanchez and Lukaku up top, think they would complement each other.

They only problem is that it would rely on the FB to provide the width and against Hazard and Willian I can’t see them being able to venture forward much, it’s why I would like 352 today as gives an extra man at the back to allow for the wingbacks to push up

Somehow I totally forgot about Mata! He would be perfect for the tip of the diamond. I was more suggesting it as a formation to look at for the future and not today.

pjohnson

limnam wrote: »

The other big question is will we be dawning a match thread :pac:

It literally took one response for "bus" to be mentioned :pac:

J. Marston

Fully expecting Smalling to shít the bed again today.

wanderer100

That defense

https://twitter.com/ManUtd/status/967747321973919748

ElChe32

hufpc8w3adnk65

Will Scotty be asked to shadow Hazard?

How Soon Is Now

Bailey obviously not 100 percent ready for big game yet. Think Lindelof should be ok I'd say Smalling will be the weak link. I'd rather shaw then young to be honest.