Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018

bangkok

pjohnson wrote: »

You do realise that Fellaini has more league goals this year than the "star" Pogba?

no he doesnt

adox

Drumpot wrote: »

We saw veron and Di Maria attain high levels too but look how they turned out. Don’t remember fans blaming SAF for Verons failure.

Pogba at Utd reminds me exactly of Veron at Utd. The only difference really is that Veron was the better player pre Utd.

adox

TheDoc wrote: »

Bizarre press conference from Mourinho, utterly bizarre.

Also bringing his relationship with Pogba back into sharp focus, with his reference to the key players the next manager will inherit.

One point I agreed with him on. :pac:

bangkok

we need more players but do ye trust jose's eye for a player?

he has signed 8 players at united, half of them have been flops so far, that is not good

pjohnson

adox wrote: »

Pogba at Utd reminds me exactly of Veron at Utd. The only difference really is that Veron was the better player pre Utd.

Neville made that point a while back. Perfect example except Veron seemed like Mhiki in that he did better in Europe for us.

adox

Bizzare press conference for sure and another small episode in his inevitable departure imo.

When he said he won’t change his style etc I thought back to those two C.L. games against Sevilla and just though oh please just leave.

Those games were Van Gaal levels of cowardice.


Problem is we have a lot of spineless players too.

Anyway let’s see how the season plays out and where we finish. One things for sure, I can’t wait for it to be over and amnt really looking forward to watching Utd for the rest of the season.

scudzilla

The more i see of Pogba the more i think the 1.5mill Fergie got for him was a great bit of business :pac::pac:

adox

pjohnson wrote: »

Neville made that point a while back. Perfect example except Veron seemed like Mhiki in that he did better in Europe for us.

Veron was probably the best MF in the world when we signed him. The most exciting signing they ever made in my years supporting them. Made it all the more galling when it didn’t work out.

I fear Pogba May go the same way.

mosstin

Mourinho's performance in today's presser was Rafa's facts presser, right?

pjohnson

adox wrote: »

Veron was probably the best MF in the world when we signed him. The most exciting signing they ever made in my years supporting them. Made it all the more galling when it didn’t work out.

I fear Pogba May go the same way.

Memory may be playing tricks but I remember Veron actually tending to play pretty well for us in general. Just fitting him into our midfield at the time was the major problem without adversely hindering Scholes.

bangkok

adox wrote: »

Veron was probably the best MF in the world when we signed him. The most exciting signing they ever made in my years supporting them. Made it all the more galling when it didn’t work out.

I fear Pogba May go the same way.

he was only the 3rd best midfielder at united.

prob in the top 10 midfielders in the world when we signed him

adox

bangkok wrote: »

he was only the 3rd best midfielder at united.

prob in the top 10 midfielders in the world when we signed him

I didn’t say anything about him being the best while playing for Utd.

He was probably th best MF in the world when we signed him IMO!!!

bangkok

pjohnson wrote: »

Memory may be playing tricks but I remember Veron actually tending to play pretty well for us in general. Just fitting him into our midfield at the time was the major problem without adversely hindering Scholes.

he was decent. getting attacked by keane in the dressing room didnt help his confidence

adox

pjohnson wrote: »

Memory may be playing tricks but I remember Veron actually tending to play pretty well for us in general. Just fitting him into our midfield at the time was the major problem without adversely hindering Scholes.

Nah, he had flashes of brilliance but while he was an all marauding, game controlling MF in Italy the games largely passed him by at Utd. It’s why Pogba rem8nds me of him (so far)

Trigger

adox wrote: »

I don’t say anything about him being the best while playing for Utd.

He was probably th best MF in the world when we signed him IMO!!!

He was probably the best midfielder in the world in many peoples opinion at the time.

Probably the most exciting signing we made in my time watching, was such a pity he didn’t work out.

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

He was probably the best midfielder in the world in many peoples opinion at the time.

Probably the most exciting signing we made in my time watching, was such a pity he didn’t work out.

better than keane, scholes, vieria effenberg? not better than any of them imo

LeeJM

bangkok wrote: »

better than keane, scholes, vieria effenberg? not better than any of them imo

Thats YOUR OPINION. Other people have a different opinion

Drumpot

bangkok wrote: »

he was only the 3rd best midfielder at united.

prob in the top 10 midfielders in the world when we signed him

He was a record signing for the club ! Do you actually know what you are talking about ?

bangkok

LeeJM wrote: »

Thats YOUR OPINION. Other people have a different opinion

fair enough, but unless it was a parallel universe i was living in, he was never better than roy keane at any time

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

better than keane, scholes, vieria effenberg? not better than any of them imo

At the time of his signing.. yep so there you have it, you have a different opinion than others..

StringerBell

adox wrote: »

Bizzare press conference for sure and another small episode in his inevitable departure imo.

When he said he won’t change his style etc I thought back to those two C.L. games against Sevilla and just though oh please just leave.

Those games were Van Gaal levels of cowardice.


Problem is we have a lot of spineless players too.

Anyway let’s see how the season plays out and where we finish. One things for sure, I can’t wait for it to be over and amnt really looking forward to watching Utd for the rest of the season.

Tbf he didn't say won't change his style. He said he won't change his mentality, he is making the point that the criticism will not affect him, that he is big enough to take it. That he has faith in his own ability, he has the CV to back that up and that he feels he is on a path with the squad that is not complete. That he came in to a bad situation and has improved it.

He is in good form actually, as evidenced by his jokes at the start. If the overreaction hadn't been so comical we might have got more of an introspective Jose like we have seen on occasion but that was never gonna happen given the result Tuesday.

adox

bangkok wrote: »

fair enough, but unless it was a parallel universe i was living in, he was never better than roy keane at any time

Did you see much of him before he signed for Utd? That’s a genuine question and not trying to set you up or anything.

Anyway of course it’s not written in stone and it’s all about opinions.

Your just making the top 10 was a bit of a stretch though.

adox

StringerBell wrote: »

Tbf he didn't say won't change his style. He said he won't change his mentality, he is making the point that the criticism will not affect him, that he is big enough to take it. That he has faith in his own ability, he has the CV to back that up and that he feels he is on a path with the squad that is not complete. That he came in to a bad situation and has improved it.

He is in good form actually, as evidenced by his jokes at the start.

Fair enough. I read the text rather than watched the video of it so took it up wrong.

I’m still in grumpy mode though as far as him and Utd go. I didn’t think there was much of an overreaction either the other night.

bangkok

adox wrote: »

Did you see much of him before he signed for Utd? That’s a genuine question and not trying to set you up or anything.

Anyway of course it’s not written in stone and it’s all about opinions.

Your just making the top 10 was a bit of a stretch though.

yea seen lots of him and he was a huge name and like you i was very excited by his signing, didnt think he did as bad either as the media made out at the time, but i just dont think he was ever as good as keane, vieria or scholes

Drumpot

adox wrote: »

Did you see much of him before he signed for Utd? That’s a genuine question and not trying to set you up or anything.

Anyway of course it’s not written in stone and it’s all about opinions.

Your just making the top 10 was a bit of a stretch though.

I remember united signed Ruud and Veron and a friend says to me “well that’s the league and champions league sorted for united!”.

StringerBell

So disappointed Seba didn't work out for us, an unbelievable player. Just didn't adapt to the premier league at the time. I think if he had been signed 10 years later at that age he'd have been an absolute monster in the league.

Better than Keane? Not for me but a totally different type of player, better then scholes who he would be a bit more comparble to? Yes.

He was played out of position a lot and did pretty well in Europe but he just didn't adapt well to the style of the English league at the time unfortunately

bangkok

StringerBell wrote: »

So disappointed Seba didn't work out for us, an unbelievable player. Just didn't adapt to the premier league at the time. I think if he had been signed 10 years later at that age he'd have been an absolute monster in the league.

Better than Keane? Not for me but a totally different type of player, better then scholes who he would be a bit more comparble to? Yes.

He was played out of position a lot and did pretty well in Europe but he just didn't adapt well to the style of the English league at the time unfortunately

:eek::eek::eek:

StringerBell

adox wrote: »

Fair enough. I read the text rather than watched the video of it so took it up wrong.

I’m still in grumpy mode though as far as him and Utd go. I didn’t think there was much of an overreaction either the other night.

Well to my mind the throwing the last couple of seasons out and demanding the managers head on the basis of one absolutely horrible result and I make no excuses for that at all, was an overreaction.

Others may feel differently of course, but the world didn't end. The progress has still been made and is there to be built on next year. He raises the bar for himself again next year though and a performance and whimper like that will certainly warrant examination in terms of where we are going as a club and can he take us to the next level. He has done a good job so far, next season is a pretty big one for him and how he will be remembered as united manager.

StringerBell

bangkok wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

Shocking is it? Probably gives you an idea of the feeling people get when they read a lot of your ....opinions.....

Drumpot

bangkok wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek:

I’m actually with you on that ... Scholes is the most underrated midfielder in premier league history. Any praise he has received is nowhere near enough. Look at the adulation Iniesta gets and that’s the kind of level scholes was at consistently while f**king Gerard and lampard were being lauded as the EPLs and England’s best !!!

bangkok

StringerBell wrote: »

Shocking is it? Probably gives you an idea of the feeling people get when they read a lot of your ....opinions.....

are you saying he was better than scholes over his career or just up to the point we signed him??

Mitch Connor

When we signed veron he was right up there with Zidane as the best in the world.

Fergie just couldn't decide on a formation that would get the best out if all the players he had, and Scholes/keane was the better partnership.

Actually feel its similar to Pogba. Great player that isn't living up to potential in part due to what he's being asked to do - creative attacking midfielder being asked to play defensively.

bangkok

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m actually with you on that ... Scholes is the most underrated midfielder in premier league history. Any praise he has received is nowhere near enough. Look at the adulation Iniesta gets and that’s the kind of level scholes was at consistently while f**king Gerard and lampard were being lauded as the EPLs and England’s best !!!

too be honest, its not even an argument, scholes played at man utd for 19 years and he was world class for majority of that time.

the height of verons career was 5 good seasons in seria a

StringerBell

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m actually with you on that ... Scholes is the most underrated midfielder in premier league history. Any praise he has received is nowhere near enough. Look at the adulation Iniesta gets and that’s the kind of level scholes was at consistently while f**king Gerard and lampard were being lauded as the EPLs and England’s best !!!

Scholes is not underrated by anybody that has watched football and has a clue. From ex pros to pundits, managers and fans he is recognized as one of the greatest to ever play for United or Grace the premier league.

That successive England managers were too stupid to use him is a different matter, and a reason why the "golden generation" won **** all

bangkok

Mitch Connor wrote: »

When we signed veron he was right up there with Zidane as the best in the world.

Fergie just couldn't decide on a formation that would get the best out if all the players he had, and Scholes/keane was the better partnership.

Actually feel its similar to Pogba. Great player that isn't living up to potential in part due to what he's being asked to do - creative attacking midfielder being asked to play defensively.

that united team back then was such a well oiled machine, 442 with scholes just off the striker to try and fit in veron, beckham and giggs on the wings. what i would give for that now

DM_7

Some great players in Italy went to England without success. Former team mate in Crespo was a big let down as well.

Mad to think Parma had Thuram, Cannavaro, Buffon, Crespo, Veron all in the same side in 98/99. 15 years later, club had to go to Serie D and be reformed.

Ulysses Gaze

Drumpot wrote: »

I’m actually with you on that ... Scholes is the most underrated midfielder in premier league history. Any praise he has received is nowhere near enough. Look at the adulation Iniesta gets and that’s the kind of level scholes was at consistently while f**king Gerard and lampard were being lauded as the EPLs and England’s best !!!

Hollywood passes and deflected goals/freekicks seem to turn the English media on more than guile and skill do.

StringerBell

Mitch Connor wrote: »

When we signed veron he was right up there with Zidane as the best in the world.

Fergie just couldn't decide on a formation that would get the best out if all the players he had, and Scholes/keane was the better partnership.

Actually feel its similar to Pogba. Great player that isn't living up to potential in part due to what he's being asked to do - creative attacking midfielder being asked to play defensively.

He ended up shifting him out left of a midfield 3 with scholes alongside and Keane anchoring the midfield where probably did his best work for the club but from memory Fergie played a 4411 a lot with scholes off the striker. Keane and butt/scholes were just a better pairing for the midfield partnership.

Scholes was a different player then too, he hadn't adapted his game to playing a deeper role yet and was still scoring plenty, he had his best goalscoring season round that time didn't e 01 or 02 mostly playing off the striker

uncleoswald

StringerBell wrote: »

Tbf he didn't say won't change his style. He said he won't change his mentality, he is making the point that the criticism will not affect him, that he is big enough to take it. That he has faith in his own ability, he has the CV to back that up and that he feels he is on a path with the squad that is not complete. That he came in to a bad situation and has improved it.

He is in good form actually, as evidenced by his jokes at the start. If the overreaction hadn't been so comical we might have got more of an introspective Jose like we have seen on occasion but that was never gonna happen given the result Tuesday.

That is not how it is been spun. We can blame the "media" for spinning it but it was another misjudgement by him. He is such an image reliant manager but this is another example of him appearing to have lost his touch in that regard. Will The players want to fight for him anymore after the presser? No. Will the fans rally around him? Definitely not.

Liam McPoyle

bangkok wrote: »

we need more players but do ye trust jose's eye for a player?

he has signed 8 players at united, half of them have been flops so far, that is not good

Pogba - flop - based on reputation / cost

Ibra - hit - scored lots of goals, only every a stop gap

Mikhi - flop - failed to reach his potential despite some flashes

Bailly - hit - our best defender imo

Lindelof - too early to say, could go either way, has had some good games, some not so good

Lukaku - hit - nuff said

Matic - hit - has had a few dodgy performances but in the main has been very solid

Sanchez - too early to say - 8 or 9 games in so will reserve judgement for the remainder of the season

More hits than misses so far with Mikhi the only out and out flop imo.

Ulysses Gaze

bangkok wrote: »

too be honest, its not even an argument, scholes played at man utd for 19 years and he was world class for majority of that time.

the height of verons career was 5 good seasons in seria a

He'd probably say the height of his career was going back home and winning the Copa Libetadores with his home town club Estudiantes.

I don't know why United even signed Veron. They already had the perfect midfield axis in Keane and Scholes.

adox

StringerBell wrote: »

Well to my mind the throwing the last couple of seasons out and demanding the managers head on the basis of one absolutely horrible result and I make no excuses for that at all, was an overreaction.

Others may feel differently of course, but the world didn't end. The progress has still been made and is there to be built on next year. He raises the bar for himself again next year though and a performance and whimper like that will certainly warrant examination in terms of where we are going as a club and can he take us to the next level. He has done a good job so far, next season is a pretty big one for him and how he will be remembered as united manager.

Personally for me it was the culmination of disappointing performances and results that had always been there, that had been becoming more of a regular occurrence.

I call this a culmination as we all knew that this bunch of players with this manager in charge had the ability to lose a one off game against inferior opposition and do so with a whimper. The fact that this happened twice over two legs is just absolutely galling and not just “one of those nights”. Probably heightened even more by the strong results we had in the league in the build up.

It made me think that the team and manager have plateaued and we may have progressed as far as we can under Mourhino. I always took on board his pragmatism and accepted it would be part of the big, especially against the bigger teams but the Sevilla displays seemed a lot more than pragmatism gone wrong. They just seemed cowardly(the collective of the manager and players) and would have you wondering if Mourhino has doubts about himself at this stage.

I’ve been a big backer of Mourhino and so the above probably reads a bit like a little bit of revisionism from me but I hope it’s not. The doubts about where things were going had been creeping into the back of my mind.

The effort that went into getting the team back into the CL and then to be knocked out in such an utterly gutless and cowardly way is a pretty big deal imo.

I still maintain those results are a pivitol point in his Utd career and will be looked back at as he beginning of the end of his time at Utd(I know I’m a random guy on tinernet, armchair supporter with no experience in the game other than a spectator but that’s my honest feeling for better or for worse).

pjohnson

bangkok wrote: »

too be honest, its not even an argument, scholes played at man utd for 19 years and he was world class for majority of that time.

the height of verons career was 5 good seasons in seria a

Similar to Pogba only for a shorter time :pac:

StringerBell

uncleoswald wrote: »

That is not how it is been spun. We can blame the "media" for spinning it but it was another misjudgement by him. He is such an image reliant manager but this is another example of him appearing to have lost his touch in that regard. Will The players want to fight for him anymore after the presser? No. Will the fans rally around him? Definitely not.

Thanks for giving your opinion on it

Drumpot

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Hollywood passes and deflected goals/freekicks seem to turn the English media on more than guile and skill do.

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-at-25-greatest-players-ranked-jack-pitt-brooke-a7886646.html%3famp

Look at that sh*t!!! Scholes 10 places behind Gerrard! Are you kidding me!!


http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2241331.html#/

Scholes was criminally underrated in England and the general EPL fans!!!

duffman13

fatherted1969

Veron was an incredible player when we bought him. Unfortunately the timing of his signing was atrocious as there wasn't a hope in he'll of the Keane/Scholes partnership being broke up to accomodate him. 5 years later and he'd have been superb in that midfield.

Ulysses Gaze

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-at-25-greatest-players-ranked-jack-pitt-brooke-a7886646.html%3famp

Look at that sh*t!!! Scholes 10 places behind Gerrard! Are you kidding me!!


http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=2241331.html#/

Scholes was criminally underrated in England and the general EPL fans!!!

They don't make many players like him in England. His game intelligence was second to none.

He would have walked into any top side in Serie A in the 1990's (Juventus, Milan or Inter) and made them better.

If he were Italian, he'd have been utilised properly for the national team.

That's why I am surprised that Eriksson, with his experience in Serie A and abroad, utilised him so badly for England.

bangkok

pjohnson wrote: »

Similar to Pogba only for a shorter time :pac:

Pogba at 25

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bangkok

if scholes was spanish, he would be up there as one of the best players to ever play the game, like xavi and iniesta