Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018

Cantona's Collars

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The problem Jose has, is he is a safety first manager, Also this isn't Juve and Seria A where the opposition are a lot weaker,
If he play in his desired role left of the midfielder 3 and roams about and Sanchez plays left wing there's trouble , Alexis works really hard but he isn't disciplined he more so chases the ball ,Mangers would straight away look to nick the ball and straight away attack the left side, Young would be left alone a lot ,
Matic can't cover for both Pogba and Alexis on that side so this is the problem  , a lot of the time Juve went 3 5 2, so the wing back on the left and extra CB would move left and help cover that part of the pitch , Jose isn't keen cause the opposition in England are fair better than Italy ,

I miss the days when we weren't afraid of anyone.

StringerBell

Pogba works best with two others beside him in midfield, this doesn't excuse some of his non performances either though tbf.

I don't know why Jose is so reluctant to play more to his strengths, I believe the reason you go after a guy like Pogba and invest so much in him is because you recognise his strengths and how you can set the team up around him to get the maximum benefit of that.

352 is something I thought we would see more of this season also though.

StringerBell

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

I miss the days when we weren't afraid of anyone.

They were fun but we were more successful in Europe especially by being more cynical and pragmatic under Fergie.

Rumple Stillson

StringerBell wrote: »

Pogba works best with two others beside him in midfield, this doesn't excuse some of his non performances either though tbf.

I don't know why Jose is so reluctant to play more to his strengths, I believe the reason you go after a guy like Pogba and invest so much in him is because you recognise his strengths and how you can set the team up around him to get the maximum benefit of that.

352 is something I thought we would see more of this season also though.

I come in peace etc... but I have to say it's criminal the way Pogba is being managed at present. I'd love to see him fail as much as anyone but when he is given freedom to roam and go where he wants, even I enjoy watching him play. He is a brilliant talent, to be trying to convert him into Mikel so misses the point.

Anyway, rant over. Hope you lose to Sevilla.

Cantona's Collars

StringerBell wrote: »

They were fun but we were more successful in Europe especially by being more cynical and pragmatic under Fergie.

Plus we had some cnuts in the team who could fight and play ball. For all the talk of having these giants in our squad they all seem to be a bunch of pussies and are too nice. Look at the Newcastle game,Jon Joe Fooking Shelvey bullying them and bring let do it. When we went 1 down,that was it,an acceptance of what was going to happen.

TheDoc

StringerBell wrote: »

Pogba works best with two others beside him in midfield, this doesn't excuse some of his non performances either though tbf.

I don't know why Jose is so reluctant to play more to his strengths, I believe the reason you go after a guy like Pogba and invest so much in him is because you recognise his strengths and how you can set the team up around him to get the maximum benefit of that.

352 is something I thought we would see more of this season also though.

Backed himself in a corner really. Let go of Schneiderlan and Schweinsteiger as surplus to requirements, so just probably feels he doesn't have the bodies or personal to use a 4-3-3 or 3-5-2. He does, he just probably doesn't feel it.

4-2-3-1 is his comfort system for years now, so he likely isn't going to change from it. Which is a pity. He's an inventive and clever coach, hopefully he remembers that. He brought 4-2-3-1 into fashion and had everyone finally asking questions about 4-4-2 when he rocked his Chelsea MKI 4-3-3, that was actually 4-2-3-1 at times too.

He's been wasteful in terms of squad use no doubt. Blind is criminally underused and valued in my opinion, as was Schneiderlan last year. He hasn't pulled up roots this season with Everton, and he wasn't fantastic under Van Gaal, but playing box to box in a 3 like he did at Southampton could have provided us options, and even unlocked the player we thought we signed.

Problem with modern football. Coaches being too secretive, clubs PR teams all over any press release or conference, managing the message. Coaches being too prickly and trying to be clever.

You'd love in a conference for him to try explain what his thought process is. You'd love for him to be asked then explain why he won't entertain a different formation.

he is still one of the most mysterious coaches out there. To find out what hes like or wants or sees, its all second hand information. He's not doing anything spectacular or creative, it just looks a mess and disjointed more often then not.

As a fan, and a lover of the details of the game, its so frustrating how secretive and restricted managers are.

Lukker-

His 433 that he used with Chelsea is what you'd expect him to use. United don't really have an effective no.10 (Mata is decent but you have to tailor the whole system to him). You've got 2 good inside forwards in Sanchez and Martial. Herrera s probably a bit of a weak link currently though on the right of the midfield 3. You'd prob have Pogba in the Lampard role with late bursts into the box, but also transitioning from defence to the attack

He hasn't used that formation in a long time, whether he feels its not tactically viable anymore is another thing. It was a perfect foil for 4-2-2 but teams don't really utilise that anymore. He hasn't used that formation since he managed Inter though. His second spell at Chelsea could almost be considered a different variation of the 433 because Oscar was the 10 but he was very much a midfielder instead of a forward.

jayo26

Lukker- wrote: »

His 433 that he used with Chelsea is what you'd expect him to use. United don't really have an effective no.10 (Mata is decent but you have to tailor the whole system to him). You've got 2 good inside forwards in Sanchez and Martial. Herrera s probably a bit of a weak link currently though on the right of the midfield 3. You'd prob have Pogba in the Lampard role with late bursts into the box, but also transitioning from defence to the attack

He hasn't used that formation in a long time, whether he feels its not tactically viable anymore is another thing. It was a perfect foil for 4-2-2 but teams don't really utilise that anymore. He hasn't used that formation since he managed Inter though. His second spell at Chelsea could almost be considered a different variation of the 433 because Oscar was the 10 but he was very much a midfielder instead of a forward.

Thats because they be two players short

StringerBell

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Plus we had some cnuts in the team who could fight and play ball. For all the talk of having these giants in our squad they all seem to be a bunch of pussies and are too nice. Look at the Newcastle game,Jon Joe Fooking Shelvey bullying them and bring let do it. When we went 1 down,that was it,an acceptance of what was going to happen.

Yeah the lack of fight in this squad is shocking. A real dearth of leadership in the mould of a Keane, a Viera, hell a feckin Terry would do.

RobbingBandit

Are there 3 fit defenders that can reliably play in a 3 man defence, Valencia is invaluable on the wing so if he was part of one that really leaves it as a 2 man defence. 4-5-1 is our best option with players like Shaw, Valencia and Young being able to nip up and down the wing and Alexis Lingard and Mata being attack focused but also supporting Pogba Matic and Ander in the centre, Rashford needs to be rotating with Martial with either of them supporting Lukaku.

If Lukaku doesn't start to score soon he must be dropped which isn't really in the rulebook but it is what it is. If the FA cup and Champions League games go to hell we could be left with nothing but 2nd place to play for and seeing as we play Sunday week as already stated we could be 3rd by then, the formation and positioning of players hasn't gone to plan but we have a really good squad even with the injuries and performance issues of some players it can be turned around hopefully starting this weekend in the cup.

deaddonkey15

We played 433 against Everton at the beginning of the year and put in one of our best away performances of the season. Pogba started on the left of a midfield 3 with Matic and Herrera and played pretty well. He provided the assist for Martial who also did well playing up front. Shaw started at left back too. Having Martial up top probably forced the players to be a bit more creative as we didn't just lump balls up to him the whole time. It was a professional performance and one in which we largely kept Everton at arms length. I was hoping that we'd see more of that lineup in the following weeks but we seemed to just revert back to the 4231.

deaddonkey15

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

We played 433 against Everton at the beginning of the year and put in one of our best away performances of the season. Pogba started on the left of a midfield 3 with Matic and Herrera and played pretty well. He provided the assist for Martial who also did well playing up front. Shaw started at left back too. Having Martial up top probably forced the players to be a bit more creative as we didn't just lump balls up to him the whole time. It was a professional performance and one in which we largely kept Everton at arms length. I was hoping that we'd see more of that lineup in the following weeks but we seemed to just revert back to the 4231.

I agree. I've said this a couple of times.

VW 1

Rumple Stillson wrote: »

I come in peace etc ...

Anyway, rant over. Hope you lose to Sevilla.

Come in peace, contribute, cool.

No need for the childish crap.

Rumple Stillson

VW 1 wrote: »

Come in peace, contribute, cool.

No need for the childish crap.

Sorry dad.

deaddonkey15

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I agree. I've said this a couple of times.

I've noticed, I've been meaning to pick up on it too but got distracted.

Lord TSC

Trigger

Lord TSC wrote: »

I’ve know idea who or what I’m looking at... :pac:

paulbok

astradave wrote: »

I’ve know idea who or what I’m looking at... :pac:

Think he's playing at Longitude this year

deaddonkey15

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

I've noticed, I've been meaning to pick up on it too but got distracted.

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jayo26

astradave wrote: »

Lord TSC wrote: »

I’ve know idea who or what I’m looking at... :pac:

It's pogba obviously

StringerBell

StringerBell wrote: »

Late to the party, or Zerking it as us cool kids say these days

Not much change in the running order as always

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Mars would usually be in there, as well as SlickRic and Gav

I am disapoint

DM_7

astradave wrote: »

I’ve know idea who or what I’m looking at... :pac:

It is a real Mysterio alright.

StringerBell

VW 1 wrote: »

Come in peace, contribute, cool.

No need for the childish crap.

Not much wrong with what he said tbf, I would be surprised if he wished us well in the game v Sevilla for instance.

StringerBell

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I am disapoint

I was somewhat surprised alright

pjohnson

DM_7 wrote: »

It is a real Mysterio alright.

Peter Andre?

Trigger

StringerBell wrote: »

Not much wrong with what he said tbf, I would be surprised if he wished us well in the game v Sevilla for instance.

I’m sure we all wished Porto would have won last night.. at least he was honest

StringerBell

Hernandez back for a little tour round his old stomping ground surely?

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

LordTSC was over in Manchester and did the stadium tour?

He's a wrestling fan so no doubt has a vast collection of classic Mexican masks. He put one on to remain anonymous after the shít The Doc got when he posted an uncensored photo of his face here in the thread.
/case closed.

That one socket switch in the 'on' position is wrecking my head.

Trigger

niallo27 wrote: »

I got a yellow for this last night. I mean if this is a yellow then we might as will give up. The ball is burst let's all **** off home. Were people really offended by this.

Dya actually think anyone in this thread cares that you got a card Niallo :pac:

In fairness if you don’t think it’s a card, dispute it instead of moaning about it. Most of the mod’s are decent enough that they will treat you properly and fairly if you engage with them

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

But that match was on Irish tv so......

I dont think everyone that is on boards lives in ireland....

jayo26

niallo27 wrote: »

Ya I suppose there is no point in moaning. I just thought it was a bit harsh myself.

Will we throw you in the middle of a bunch of United jersey wearing guys and girls and give ya a big fat group hug.

niallo27

jayo26 wrote: »

Will we throw you in the middle of a bunch of United jersey wearing guys and girls and give ya a big fat group hug.

Is it something you think you could arrange.

Trigger

niallo27 wrote: »

Is it something you think you could arrange.

For you? Any day of the week... we might even get Brinty to drag the girls along

jayo26

niallo27 wrote: »

Is it something you think you could arrange.

Yeah for sure mate were all the one at the end of the day.

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

I got a yellow for this last night. I mean if this is a yellow then we might as will give up. The ball is burst let's all **** off home. Were people really offended by this.

If I had of said something like that in the Liverpool thread I would have gotten a red :P

Look lad, your best bet is discussing it off thread with the mod. I really don't know what posters are trying to achieve by doing it in thread

Your still my #1 pool fan btw

niallo27

M!Ck^ wrote: »

If I had of said something like that in the Liverpool thread I would have gotten a red :P

Look lad, your best bet is discussing it off thread with the mod. I really don't know what posters are trying to achieve by doing it in thread

Your still my #1 pool fan btw

Ya your probably right Mick.

jayo26

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Your still my #1 pool fan btw

That's like picking to have one leg cut off instead if two

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

I got a yellow for this last night. I mean if this is a yellow then we might as will give up. The ball is burst let's all **** off home. Were people really offended by this.

Not offended at all Niallo. I actually thought it was gas the amount of ye who flocked in here on the 'look what we did!' train :pac:

On a separate note to Niallo but related to rival teams...

I don't mind seeing English teams advancing into the later stages of the CL, for 2 reasons.

1) Been following it for 30 years now, may as well not have a problem admitting that I am a big fan of England's top league.

No I wasn't sitting at home cheering on Liverpool last night with Gerry and the Pacemakers spinning in the background, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't hurt seeing English teams perform well on that stage. It is good for the perception and reputation of the Premier League.

2) It gives our league rivals extra games to play later into the season. Some of them might have the squad depth and quality to cope, some of them might not. Chelsea would fall into the former for me, Liverpool into the later.

So, overall I don't mind seeing our English rivals do well in the CL. Just...not too well.

brinty

astradave wrote:

For you? Any day of the week... we might even get Brinty to drag the girls along

Not a chance
My girls are true united
Liverpool need not apply

Not offence Niallo

VW 1

StringerBell wrote: »

Not much wrong with what he said tbf, I would be surprised if he wished us well in the game v Sevilla for instance.

I don't expect any pool fan would want us to win, same way I wanted a porto win last night.

But I don't waltz into the pool thread, make a legitimate contribution and then add in a childish hope you lose, as if to justifymy being there.

Im not offended, and have no issue with other teams supporters giving views obviously, I just don't get the need for the extra sentence.

StringerBell

I think he was just trying to make a little joke, that's all. Like, if it was a wind up attempt it would have been a poorer than usual one so what would be the point? I don't think it was meant to needle anybody or anything like that. I just don't think that was the intent. Now maybe I am wrong, but that is how I saw it anyway.



Id share the same opinion as Stu (I think) I would like to see the English teams do well in the CL in general, particularly Liverpool and Spurs, more games more distractions the better. Losing semi finalists would do nicely. Hope City go out at the earliest opportunity of course, league is over so just want them crushed anywhere possible.

Giggsy11

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Is he really one of the best attacking midfielder's in the world I find that hard to believe, Attacking midfielders score goals his more in a league is 8 and that was in a Juve side that walked Seria A ,
Look at the other top 6 side attacking midfielders and Pogba doesn't come close, Silva , KDB, Eirkson , Ali , Ozil , Hazard, Couthino (when he was at Liverpool they don't have one now)
He's a world class footballer but certainly isn't one of the best Attacking midfielders in the world , He wouldn't replace any of the above in the attacking midfield position ,
He's more of a roaming midfielder than an attacking one,

This is again simply classifying midfielders as either AMs or CMs. There are more to it, Iniesta is a CM with not much defensive role and he doesn't score or assist many goals but he provides platform for others to thrive, Pogba is that sort of player.

Mitch Connor

The Man United facebook page just uploaded 3 Ibrahimovic photo's, with no context or caption.

I wonder if we are going to get an announcement today that Ibrahimovic is off (to LA?) - and these uploads were meant for later, after an announcment.

Or its just that he is back in the squad for the game tomorrow.

Or they just like him.

Lukekul

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The Man United facebook page just uploaded 3 Ibrahimovic photo's, with no context or caption.

I wonder if we are going to get an announcement today that Ibrahimovic is off (to LA?) - and these uploads were meant for later, after an announcment.

Or its just that he is back in the squad for the game tomorrow.

Or they just like him.

Its about his hattrick against St. Etienne

Mitch Connor

Lukekul wrote: »

Its about his hattrick against St. Etienne

Was that this day a year ago?

I knew it they were EL pics, but without any context on the post I have read too much into it (given recent speculation)

The_Kew_Tour

Ya this day 1 year ago.

Although 2008 is only about 4 to 5 years ago in my head

DM_7

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya this day 1 year ago.

Although 2008 is only about 4 to 5 years ago in my head

Yeah, sure 99 is only about 10 years ago.

TheDoc

Deleted User wrote: »

LordTSC was over in Manchester and did the stadium tour?

He's a wrestling fan so no doubt has a vast collection of classic Mexican masks. He put one on to remain anonymous after the shít The Doc got when he posted an uncensored photo of his face here in the thread.
/case closed.

That one socket switch in the 'on' position is wrecking my head.

Did I get ****?

Fitz*

This Mourinho - Pogba feud is not going to be good in short term or long term. Pogba was a massive investment for Man Utd, for the long term. Mourinho is not what you would call a long term manager. If this continues one will have to go.


Even just looking, in the last couple of seasons, Mourinho has started a war with a number of people. He certainly creates the bubble of 'us vs the world'.

Am I leaving anyone out?

Chelsea doctor
Roy Keane
the fake Ranieri friend stuff
Class of 92 - Scholes, Giggs etc
Pundits in general
Conte
Pep
the whole other teams are spending nonsense
Pogba


It's not healthy to be continually at war with someone.

Liam McPoyle

There is a Mourinho - Pogba feud?