Canelo v GGG II 5/5/18

NollagShona

www.boxingnewsonline.net/canelo-golovkin-vs-gennady-golovkin-rematch-is-on/

Its on!

NollagShona

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Morrison J

If Canelo stays on his feet he'll get the decision.

GGG better go to the body more this time and make Canelo's dodgy gas tank more of a factor. Still no idea why he completely abandoned going to the body in the first fight.

NollagShona

GGG is getting on, this is probably his last big fight

SHOVELLER

It's on?! It was always on!!
Please let it be The Garden:P

NollagShona

It’s going to be Vegas

NollagShona

Cinco de Mayo would have to be in a Southern venue. Maybe if they can get Dallas Cowboys Stadium

Henno30

pac_man wrote: »

I thought Golovkin won the first fight(I think the majority of people thought he did) but Canelo would benefit more should a rematch happen. I think we are seeing a Golovkin that is past his peak.

Think Golovkin spent his best years in obscurity sadly. But at least he got his big fight. Many like him don't.

I thought the first fight was very close, and I think it will probably be just as close this time. Don't see anyone getting the nod over Canelo in those circumstances.

Stone Curler

Golovkin is about four year's past his best, the power is fading, hence zero damage on Canelo's face after the first fight.

walshb

Stone Curler wrote: »

Golovkin is about four year's past his best, the power is fading, hence zero damage on Canelo's face after the first fight.

Either that or he was just feasting on very basic opponents...blown up junior middles and welters?

selectamatic

walshb wrote: »

Either that or he was just feasting on very basic opponents...blown up junior middles and welters?

Tbf golovkin had been actively seeking a fight with canelo since the latter half of 2014 so it's not like he was content with easy fights.

He's also clever enough to have known moving up in weight would've been a mistake as his style is all wrong for overcoming the pretty sizeable physical disadvantage he would have had to contend with.

So it was basically keep plugging away at middleweight hoovering up titles or cash out for a payday against ward. Most likely lose on points and then contend with the possibility of fading into obscurity or getting rode on the split for future big fight purses.

walshb

I just disagree that he is four years past his best....looking sh1t hot against the likes of Mathew Macklin is a lot different than facing a Canelo, or even a Jacobs...

Frank Bullitt

When I heard the news, I was pretty much like this.

dinorebel

Bank Holiday on the Monday so can watch it live with a few beers with no worries about getting up Monday morning.

Try_harder

https://twitter.com/hboboxing/status/966736623491837952

CatFromHue

Will the judges be the same too :pac:

SHOVELLER

No real surprise. All the financial incentives are there and the venue is top notch.
$300 plus charges the cheapest ticket again.
Love to go but.............

FTA69

There's huge money to be made off Canelo and I imagine he's the industry favourite so GGG will need a stoppage or a hugely dominant display; I had Golovkin winning the last fight but I can see Canelo outpointing him too if he ups his game and Golovkin has started to fade.

nacho libre

I'm not convinced Triple G is in decline at all. He just has not looked as effective against better opposition.

selectamatic

nacho libre wrote: »

I'm not convinced Triple G is in decline at all. He just has not looked as effective against better opposition.

At 35 it's safe to say he's in some sort of a decline.

Now it's obviously a very minor decline but time waits for no man.

nacho libre

selectamatic wrote: »

At 35 it's safe to say he's in some sort of a decline.

Now it's obviously its a very minor decline but time waits for no man.

How many hard fights has he had up until the Jacobs one? I'm not swayed by this argument. I think he has looked a bit more cumbersome/weary once he faced better opposition. That said i think he beat Canelo last time. I would back Saunders to beat him if he can withstand Golovkin's power.

selectamatic

nacho libre wrote: »

How many hard fights has he had up until the Jacobs one? I'm not swayed by this argument. I think he has looked a bit more cumbersome/weary once he faced better opposition. That said i think he beat Canelo last time. I would back Saunders to beat him if he can withstand Golovkin's power.

Hard fights or no hard fights he's near looking down the barrel of 40 at this stage. 36 in a months time yet you still feel he's as sharp as he was at 30?

I don't disagree about the level of opposition point at all tbh however I do disagree that its as cut and dry as that.

Pluto Planet

selectamatic wrote: »

At 35 it's safe to say he's in some sort of a decline.

Now it's obviously a very minor decline but time waits for no man.

Compare videos of him last year versus 2013, he was much sharper back in 2013, even his physique was leaner.

nacho libre

selectamatic wrote: »

Hard fights or no hard fights he's near looking down the barrel of 40 at this stage. 36 in a months time yet you still feel he's as sharp as he was at 30?

I don't disagree about the level of opposition point at all tbh however I do disagree that its as cut and dry as that.

I definitely do.Some fighters, who look after themselves, are still in their prime in their mid- thirties. Also it's not as if he has accrued a lot of wear and tear from hard fights over the years.

Urindanger

Canelo has popped for Clen, same levels of common meat contamination levels in Mexican meat. Will probably all blow over in a few days in all reality seeing as the excuse is already set. I'm shocked they let Canelo pop though. Either he was caught off guard or he's using a street dealer to get his stack.

Morrison J

Genuinely feel bad for GGG. You couldn’t stack a fight so much against someone if you tried.

normanoffside

Urindanger wrote: »

Canelo has popped for Clen, same levels of common meat contamination levels in Mexican meat. Will probably all blow over in a few days in all reality seeing as the excuse is already set. I'm shocked they let Canelo pop though. Either he was caught off guard or he's using a street dealer to get his stack.

He really should lose the fight but it will go ahead no doubt. Too much money in it. Dirty sport.

walshb

normanoffside wrote: »

He really should lose the fight but it will go ahead no doubt. Too much money in it. Dirty sport.

It’s not a dirty sport. It’s one incident. It’s people. It’s life...

Life can be a bit dirty from time to time...the sport is not dirty..

normanoffside

walshb wrote: »

It’s not a dirty sport. It’s one incident. It’s people. It’s life...

Life can be a bit dirty from time to time...the sport is not dirty..

Dirty sport in general, not just boxing it’s everywhere.
When there is big money in it, it gets covered up and brushed under the carpet.

Urindanger

normanoffside wrote: »

Dirty sport in general, not just boxing it’s everywhere.
When there is big money in it, it gets covered up and brushed under the carpet.

Agree hence why strict actions are rarely carried out. Saw Liam Smith and Saunders make some rather playful jabs at Canelo after the news but deep down I suspect no boxer gives a f*ck as they all know what's going on.

I guess at least Boxing is trying to do something about it compared to sports like Football and Basketball that turn a complete blind eye to it almost. Too much money, top much power. When you see guys in Cycling who get away with it for so long, being subjected to far stricter testing and in a sport that makes pittance compared to Boxing, and then Football, Tennis and Basketball above it, it kind of opens your eyes a little.

Mellor

Urindanger wrote: »

Canelo has popped for Clen, same levels of common meat contamination levels in Mexican meat. Will probably all blow over in a few days in all reality seeing as the excuse is already set. I'm shocked they let Canelo pop though. Either he was caught off guard or he's using a street dealer to get his stack.

I'd find it more believable that he picked it up through tainted meat than the alternative - that an elite boxer is taking clen.

Big Ears

Mellor wrote: »

I'd find it more believable that he picked it up through tainted meat than the alternative - that an elite boxer is taking clen.

That is very naive imo.

Why would you think an elite boxer wouldn't be using Clenbuterol, considering the level of testing is typically very poor and you'll only get caught if you/your team are idiots ?

Mellor

Big Ears wrote: »

That is very naive imo.

Why would you think an elite boxer wouldn't be using Clenbuterol, considering the level of testing is typically very poor and you'll only get caught if you/your team are idiots ?

Clenbuterol is easily detectable. The testing in boxing is poor generally, but Alvarez and GGG opt'd into VADA testing. Taking clen when youre expecting to be visited during camp is odd. The levels reported by the WADA accredited lab are in-line with contamination. You'd expect doping results to be much higher.
The effects of clen are mild, relatively speaking. If an elite boxer was going to take PEDs, there are drugs that will do a better job, with the added bonus of much stronger anabolic effects. Potentially harder to detect too.
Clenbuterol is a vetinary medication. Meat contamination is common, so much so that WADA issued a caution for athletes training in Mexico and China.

Due to continuing concerns over contaminated meat in certain parts of the world, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) has re-emphasized the need for athletes to exercise extreme caution with regards to eating meat when traveling to competitions in China and Mexico.

It has been shown that Mexico and China have a serious problem with meat contaminated with the prohibited substance clenbuterol...

So yeah, all things considered. I find it more believable that an athlete training in Mexico could show trace levels due to contaminated meat, rather taking a low dose before a test he knows is coming.

walshb

Need to find out the exact levels found in his system...if very low maybe he can explain it away as contamination. Not saying the explanation is the truth, juts that he can use it to get a pass.

Ultimately it is a prohibited substance and he is responsible.

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

Need to find out the exact levels found in his system...if very low maybe he can explain it away as contamination. Not saying the explanation is the truth, juts that he can use it to get a pass.

Ultimately it is a prohibited substance and he is responsible.

The letter from VADA. Levels were very low. The lab who tested it mention contamination first.

walshb

Seems clean cut, only that no levels are acceptable....

I reckon it's a genuine error on Canelo's part as regards contamination...

He'll get a pass I hope.

Morrison J

This was said when Alberto Contador tested positive for the same substance.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/01/sports/cycling/01cycling.html?scp=5&sq=contador&st=cse

Mellor

Morrison J wrote: »

This was said when Alberto Contador tested positive for the same substance.

The difference there is that Contador tested positive during the Tour De France. Clenbuterol was banned animals use in Europe at the time. So its near impossible that meat in France/Spain was tainted.
Where as it's a known issue in Mexico.

Since the Contador case WADA have down test that prove meat contamination is possible.

https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/final_report_13d23ss_dr._sterk.pdf

Urindanger

I find the tainted meat story hilarious. Canelo isn't some lad getting his meat from the dodgy local supermarket in a special bulk package for twenty quid. He's going to be using the finest stuff going, free range, organic, animals fed and washed with coconut water and avocado oil, daily massage by the finest masseuses in the world, soothing music playing in the field etc etc.

Henno30

Plenty of shady stuff in Canelo's past regarding drug testing.

Regarding Clen, I very much doubt Canelo is using something as crude as that to dope. And there's no real value in micro-dosing it. But it's a well known masking agent and great cover for a Mexican fighter when they're popped.

Morrison J

https://twitter.com/latimespugmire/status/976218983522119680

Mellor

Henno30 wrote: »

But it's a well known masking agent and great cover for a Mexican fighter when they're popped.

I've heard that suggested. But I'm not sure how the mechanism is supposed to work.
It seems to suggested that everything detected is a masking agent. Even weed or coke. Hard to know what to believe.

Morrison J

What to do if you're GGG?

Pull out and lose one half of the big payday your whole career has been building towards.

or

Stay put and hope he can knock out a roided up Canelo knowing well he'll get robbed if it goes to the cards.

Tough call.

walshb

GGG should go ahead with the fight...

Roided up? No need to over-exaggerate here, unless I have missed something!

Very very small traces of Clenbuterol....

Not HGH or Stanozolol....

normanoffside

GGG flat out accuses him of continually doping here, but says he will still fight him.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/22849968/gennady-golovkin-thinks-canelo-alvarez-oscar-de-la-hoya-doping-cheats

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

GGG should go ahead with the fight...

Roided up? No need to over-exaggerate here, unless I have missed something!

Very very small traces of Clenbuterol....

Not HGH or Stanozolol....

GGG has said he thinks Canelo fights roided up and this isn't an anomaly.

So in his mind he's choosing between the two options I detailed above.

walshb

GGG needs to keep his mouth shut..

Where was he and his claims last year? Not saying he didn’t think it last year, but maybe he didn’t, and is now using this situation to his own benefit...

Now he is jumping on it and putting the knife in..when he knows it’s safe, and a free for all.

Canelo did not fail tests last year or the years before for steroids..

GGG is only trying to big himself up in making out he fought this drugged up monster...

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

GGG needs to keep his mouth shut..

Where was he and his claims last year? Not saying he didn’t think it last year, but maybe he didn’t, and is now using this situation to his own benefit...

Now he is jumping on it and putting the knife in..when he knows it’s safe, and a free for all.

Canelo did not fail tests last year or the years before for steroids..

GGG is only trying to big himself up in making out he fought this drugged up monster...

Well Canelo hadn't failed a test last year had he? GGG had no proof to back up any allegations. Now he does so he brings it up. I think that's completely fair. If he thinks Canelo is a drugs cheat than he should call him out for it. I see no issue there.

I also don't think it's of any benefit for him to say what he's saying anyway. All its doing is damaging how reputable the fight is which is only going to affect sales negatively.

Hopefully the Nevada commission deal with all this appropriately but for some reason I'm not expecting sense to prevail. Too much money involved.

Mellor

Morrison J wrote: »

Well Canelo hadn't failed a test last year had he? GGG had no proof to back up any allegations. Now he does so he brings it up. I think that's completely fair. If he thinks Canelo is a drugs cheat than he should call him out for it. I see no issue there. .

He had the same proof of steroids last year that he has now. The needle marks he "seen".

Morrison J

Mellor wrote: »

He had the same proof of steroids last year that he has now. The needle marks he "seen".

Right. Change "steroids" to "PEDs" so. He's failed two tests for PEDs, that's a lot more proof than last year.

normanoffside

Fight is in Jeopardy now.
Canelo is suspended pending a hearing into his positive test on April 10th...