Conservatives are afraid.

Klinkhammer

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-turn-conservatives-liberal-john-bargh-psychology-2017-10/amp

So this guy, John Bargh, reckons conservatives who are temporarily relieved of their innate fear will temporarily turn in to liberals. Liberals who do the same experiment do not change their views.

I think there's a lot of sense in this. Using After Hours as a petri dish you have the most vitriol directed towards sections of society people fear the most.

Tom Mann Centuria

RDM_83 again

Klinkhammer wrote: »

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-to-turn-conservatives-liberal-john-bargh-psychology-2017-10/amp

So this guy, John Bargh, reckons conservatives who are temporarily relieved of their innate fear will temporarily turn in to liberals. Liberals who do the same experiment do not change their views.

I think there's a lot of sense in this. Using After Hours as a petri dish you have the most vitriol directed towards sections of society people fear the most.

Like everything that sounds to be good to be true, it probably is.

His work sounds very similar to Diederik Stapel who was producing experiments that couldn't be replicated by others.

This blog seems to indicate his work may have similar issues (blog has links).

Basically this is likely clickbait feelgood Science that will probably get written up by HuffPost but when a serious researcher tries to replicate it using proper control groups and the scientific method it will turn out to be rubish

seenitall

Conservatives are always afraid. Isn't that the whole point of being a conservative?

riffmongous

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

When it comes to putting the fear in conservatives through liberal social policies



(come on starship troopers thread)

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

A conservative is basically a scared liberal in the first place. Just mention 'multiculturalism' and see what happens.

Donald Trump

Didn't quite work in practice for the people who thought they were Ubermenschen ................


Sure I used to be a Democrat and then I started listening to the Neo Nazi's Republicans

Pepefrogok

But we are more beautiful!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/01/27/science-says-conservatives-are-hotter-than-liberals/amp/

This is backed up by looking at any protest/screem at the sky session! Mabey that's what we are scared off! That our women will put a pile of weight on and start dying their hair multiple colours?

Here is a nice science based video to help explain!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkg78D5iqI

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Donald Trump wrote: »

Didn't quite work in practice for the people who thought they were Ubermenschen ................


Sure I used to be a Democrat and then I started listening to the Neo Nazi's Republicans

They were never relieved if their fear.

riffmongous

Pepefrogok wrote: »

But we are more beautiful!

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/01/27/science-says-conservatives-are-hotter-than-liberals/amp/

This is backed up by looking at any protest/screem at the sky session! Mabey that's what we are scared off! That our women will put a pile of weight on and start dying their hair multiple colours?

Conservative science? Frankly I find the idea of a conservative that thinks critically offensive

Pepefrogok

riffmongous wrote: »

Conservative science? Frankly I find the idea of a conservative that thinks critically offensive

Look at the evidence man!!!!!

https://youtu.be/jNkg78D5iqI

But also try and avoid any mirrors!

Seriously though, when you look at the "women" on the pro-refugee crowd i wonder is it more about increasing their chances of finding an amorous young gentleman willing to lie with a multi coloured hair land whale? Mabey more generally speaking that's why liberals want to change society so much? They look around at all the happy, beautiful conservative families and know they will never experience that joy so as a socialist wants everyone to be equally poor they want everyone to be equally miserable?

Arghus

It's an ugly planet. It's a conservative planet.

riffmongous

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Look at the evidence man!!!!!

https://youtu.be/jNkg78D5iqI

But also try and avoid any mirrors!

Seriously though, when you look at the "women" on the pro-refugee crowd i wonder is it more about increasing their chances of finding an amorous young gentleman willing to lie with a multi coloured hair land whale? Mabey more generally speaking that's why liberals want to change society so much? They look around at all the happy, beautiful conservative families and know they will never experience that joy so as a socialist wants everyone to be equally poor they want everyone to be equally miserable?

The only good conservative is a dead conservative

Pepefrogok

riffmongous wrote: »

The only good conservative is a dead conservative

Hey, that escalated quickly lol still, evidence from top universities shows that even a 10 year dead conservative will look better than your non gender defined partner! Certainly weigh less.

Ulysses Gaze

A liberal is just a conservative that has not been mugged yet.

emo72

I've no idea what anyone is on about anymore. It's a different language.

Wanderer78

emo72 wrote:

I've no idea what anyone is on about anymore. It's a different language.

We should all start using Irish (via Google translate of course), be some laugh!

Franz Von Peppercorn

Everybody’s afraid of something. Liberals are afraid of climate change. And Russia. Conservatives used to be afraid of Russia but are now not afraid of either Russia or climate change. Lesbians are a fear point.

rgodard80a

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A liberal is just a conservative that has not been mugged yet.

Or had their sister nearly abducted, credit card skimmed, punched on a bus etc...

Liberalism costs hard earned tax payers money and people have a right to question immigration, refugee and social welfare policy.

Wanderer78

rgodard80a wrote: »

Or had their sister nearly abducted, credit card skimmed, punched on a bus etc...

Liberalism costs hard earned tax payers money and people have a right to question immigration, refugee and social welfare policy.

id be more inclined to point the finger at neoliberial policies for the issues you have mentioned

silverharp

what about the other one that conservatives are better looking than liberals...discuss?

seamus

silverharp wrote: »

what about the other one that conservatives are better looking than liberals...discuss?

It would make sense that people who've grown up automatically privileged would err on the side on conservatism, since liberalism presents social and personal scenarios that are scary and unfamiliar to them.

And people who've grown up privileged would have better health, and better access to beauty products.

Not rocket science really.

biko

Sure, you can do all the experiments you want. The article also describes how to make liberals conservative.
What matters is what real people out there in the real world think.

If conservatism, right-wing and alt-right is spreading it is indicative that regular people worry about lefty and liberal policies imposed on them by their governments and EU, politicians that do not have to live with the consequences of their actions.

The_Valeyard

Swings and roundabouts, conservatives become liberals, liberals become conservative and a lot of people simply stay put in the middle.

Hande hoche!

Conservatism is caused by fear, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Is centrism caused by parental factors or anxiety?

pumpkin4life

seamus wrote: »

It would make sense that people who've grown up automatically privileged would err on the side on conservatism, since liberalism presents social and personal scenarios that are scary and unfamiliar to them.

And people who've grown up privileged would have better health, and better access to beauty products.

Not rocket science really.

Jordan Peterson's done some interesting things on this in terms of personality and companies and work.

In terms of organizational structure, people who are liberal tend to be more creative and open to new experiences, but make poorer workers, work less and are more prone to mental illnesses. Your entrepreneur or your tortured artist type of lad. Conservative people don't come up with much in terms of great ideas, but they keep those great ideas running properly.

Companies without either personality type tend to collapse.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Never surprises me when conservatives attack liberals, they rarely actually attack liberal policies (or only attack the broad extreme ones)...

Pepefrogok

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Never surprises me when conservatives attack liberals, they rarely actually attack liberal policies (or only attack the broad extreme ones)...

Lol ok, in a thread calling all conservatives afraid where one delightful poster quipped "the only good conservative is a dead conservative" you ignore the near constant attacks on liberal policies like open/weak boarders, identity politics, multiculturalism, welfare state etc etc etc etc to make that massively hypocritical post, fantastic work, you do you!

Odhinn

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Everybody’s afraid of something. Liberals are afraid of climate change. And Russia. Conservatives used to be afraid of Russia but are now not afraid of either Russia or climate change. Lesbians are a fear point.

Everyones scared of the lesbians. Except maybe the lesbians.

suicide_circus

In an american context at least, conservatives are also the ones with all the guns.

sbsquarepants

Is this not stating the obvious - if you weren't afraid of change you would be a bloody conservative!

Cordell

rgodard80a wrote: »

Or had their sister nearly abducted, credit card skimmed, punched on a bus etc...

Liberalism costs hard earned tax payers money and people have a right to question immigration, refugee and social welfare policy.

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation

That is, on short, the definition of liberalism. So stop using the americanized derogatory and perverted meaning.
People that "question immigration, refugee and social welfare policy" are in fact exercising their liberal liberty of freedom of speech.

Klinkhammer

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Is this not stating the obvious - if you weren't afraid of change you would be a bloody conservative!

I have no idea what you mean by that.

silverharp

Odhinn wrote: »

Everyones scared of the lesbians. Except maybe the lesbians.

they are never like in the movies in real life

sbsquarepants

Klinkhammer wrote: »

I have no idea what you mean by that.

The only reason for wanting things to remain the same is the fear that they will get worse if changed. If you suspected change would improve things you'd be all for it, if you though it would make no difference you wouldn't care either way.

If you are all for change, or not bothered one way or the other you, are liberal by definition.

Therefore conservatives are by definition afraid. Remove that fear and they default to liberal.

You can't be a liberal who wants to conserve, and you can't be a conservative who wants to liberalise. They are oxymorons.

Edit - Sorry, just seen my typo.

I meant to say if you weren't afraid, you wouldn't be a conservative, not that you would!

conorhal

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Conservatism is caused by fear, Liberalism is a mental disorder. Is centrism caused by parental factors or anxiety?

You know, I've wondered that... Could centrism be the product of being a middle child? Niether molly-coddled nor neglected and thus a balanced individual?
Perhaps we have so many snowflakes because people have so few kids these days that there is now a disproportionate number of people walking around that are the product of an excess of parental attention and supervision and aspirations, which you just didn't see in larger families.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Lol ok, in a thread calling all conservatives afraid where one delightful poster quipped "the only good conservative is a dead conservative" you ignore the near constant attacks on liberal policies like open/weak boarders, identity politics, multiculturalism, welfare state etc etc etc etc to make that massively hypocritical post, fantastic work, you do you!

Oh, I'm not saying liberals are innocent! Nor am I limiting it to this thread.

I've been around here a while and believe me, people just dismiss liberals. Bleeding heart liberal, pinko liberal, liberal media.... and yet never actually state what they mean by these phrases or what liberal policies thet consider examples of such.

Nor do you: those aren't policies you've outlined, those are issues. What, exactly, is the policy on a specific issue?

Consider two questions before you answer:
1 - Is it an opinion actually held by a majority of liberal-minded people (I consider my outlook to be liberal and I don't believe in open borders or unlimited immigration - and theer are many more like me) or are you just trying to create an easy target for yourself? Stick to representative sources: not Indymedia: that would be link someone using Stormfront to dismiss conservative policies.
2 - Can you prove it's a bad policy and wouldn't work on a national/global level, or are you just scared of what it might mean for you personally?

topper75

Sure it's not the liberals who fear disproportionately?

Was it not they who got in a boxset binge-watching froth over the paranoid ****ehawkery that was The Handmaid's Tale?

Anyway, if somebody wants to stop change they are not conservative. They are a reactionary. You can't stop change of course. That way lies madness.

A conservative rather wants to MANAGE change and attempt to avoid chaos. You encourage improvements in a measured fashion and you discourage any degeneracy.

conorhal

sbsquarepants wrote: »

The only reason for wanting things to remain the same is the fear that they will get worse if changed. If you suspected change would improve things you'd be all for it, if you though it would make no difference you wouldn't care either way.

If you are all for change, or not bothered one way or the other you, are liberal by definition.

Therefore conservatives are by definition afraid. Remove that fear and they default to liberal.

You can't be a liberal who wants to conserve, and you can't be a conservative who wants to liberalise. They are oxymorons.

Edit - Sorry, just seen my typo.

I meant to say if you weren't afraid, you wouldn't be a conservative, not that you would!

That might be true if you weren't misrepresenting conservatism.
It's a value system, not museum curation. Has it possibly occured to you that something might be conserved because it is something that is valued and appreciated or considered a common good rather than something retained for fear of changing it?

Sonics2k

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Lol ok, in a thread calling all conservatives afraid where one delightful poster quipped "the only good conservative is a dead conservative" you ignore the near constant attacks on liberal policies like open/weak boarders, identity politics, multiculturalism, welfare state etc etc etc etc to make that massively hypocritical post, fantastic work, you do you!

It's a direct reference to the Starship Troopers gif posted above.

rgodard80a

Cordell wrote: »

So stop using the americanized derogatory and
perverted meaning.

Sounds like a mildly racist attack on Americans there.

riffmongous

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's a direct reference to the Starship Troopers gif posted above.

This place sickens me sometimes, we almost had a good Starship Troopers thread going and instead it was hijacked so people could have the same tired old arguments again

Pepefrogok

riffmongous wrote: »

This place sickens me sometimes, we almost had a good Starship Troopers thread going and instead it was hijacked so people could have the same tired old arguments again

My bad, do you want to know more?

biko

Jurgen Klopp

Is there anything to be said for the lads that are neither and want a decent social and welfare state for the population of a nation with a skills based visa system instead of looking for cheap foreign labor to suppress wages or not be a nut job mass immigration and diversity at all costs no matter the result of a the **** hole it begins to turn into like Sweden?

No?

No

rizzles

i love refugees in my country
really good

The Backwards Man

Is Starship Troopers taught in history classes yet?


In my day we had to sit through Triumph Des Willens and Battleship fcuking Potemkin.

riffmongous

Well it would be a great movie for bringing liberals and conservatives together, liberals can see it as satire and conservatives can just enjoy it (at least up until they realise that bug plasma can't move asteroids and the Buenos Aires was an inside job)

dav3

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for the lads that are neither and want a decent social and welfare state for the population of a nation with a skills based visa system instead of looking for cheap foreign labor to suppress wages or not be a nut job mass immigration and diversity at all costs no matter the result of a the **** hole it begins to turn into like Sweden?

No?

No

rizzles

riffmongous wrote: »

Well it would be a great movie for bringing liberals and conservatives together, liberals can see it as satire and conservatives can just enjoy it (at least up until they realise that bug plasma can't move asteroids and the Buenos Aires was an inside job)

that is the question of our generation
there are miniscule signs of compromise for both sides

riffmongous

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Is Starship Troopers taught in history classes yet?


In my day we had to sit through Triumph Des Willens and Battleship fcuking Potemkin.

On that note