Is anyone else starting to become a bit worried? mod note in first post

makeorbrake

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This is crypto, opinion is often confused with fact, notions that strongly held convictions somehow trump academia or globally accepted standards.

I see - so your 'opinion' is always underpinned with fact? Lets hear it then. You obviously have an example for us.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You only have to open up any crypto site or sub or forum.

What's that got to do with our discussion here? What source are you accusing me of citing that isn't accurate? Who mentioned conspiracy apart from you?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Opinions dressed up as facts.

For example?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Wishful thinking masquerading as economic forecasting.

For example?

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Hopefully the worst of that stuff will wash away, long bears tend to have a sobering effect.

And what? Everyone will agree with you? An interesting dystopia you're presenting there.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

On the flipside, the fantastical predictions and appeal to future fallacies tend to have a good impact on price when things start to look up, the great "conflict of interest".

What is this supposed to even mean?

Dohnjoe

makeorbrake wrote: »

I see - so your 'opinion' is always underpinned with fact? Lets hear it then. You obviously have an example for us.

Not what I wrote.

What's that got to do with our discussion here? What source are you accusing me of citing that isn't accurate? Who mentioned conspiracy apart from you?

Not accusing you of anything, it's a generalisation.

An interesting dystopia you're presenting there.

Not presenting any dystopia. It's currently a bear market in crypto.

makeorbrake

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not what I wrote.

It very much seems that way. But no matter. I'll sum this up again then - we all have opinions and opinions differ.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not accusing you of anything, it's a generalisation.

I guess you can't find anything that fits in that respect.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Not presenting any dystopia.

You went on about conspiracy this and that - like I said, you're the only one to have brought that word into this discussion. And what of 'anti-establishment' or 'libertarian' viewpoints should someone express them? You seem to think that they're opinions that are not worthy of being heard. Hence the dystopia reference.

Otherwise, you cite 'opinions dressed up as facts' yet can't provide an example.
You cite 'Wishful thinking masquerading as economic forecasting.' yet can't give an example.

The invitation was to accept that people hold different opinions - that's to be respected and park it up at that. Evidently, you can't park it up at that.

Dohnjoe

makeorbrake wrote: »

It very much seems that way. But no matter. I'll sum this up again then - we all have opinions and opinions differ.

I guess you can't find anything that fits in that respect.



You went on about conspiracy this and that - like I said, you're the only one to have brought that word into this discussion. And what of 'anti-establishment' or 'libertarian' viewpoints should someone express them? You seem to think that they're opinions that are not worthy of being heard. Hence the dystopia reference.

Otherwise, you cite 'opinions dressed up as facts' yet can't provide an example.
You cite 'Wishful thinking masquerading as economic forecasting.' yet can't give an example.

The invitation was to accept that people hold different opinions - that's to be respected and park it up at that. Evidently, you can't park it up at that.

Calm down there Not every generalisation about crypto (good or bad) is a personal attack on you or by extension your personal beliefs

makeorbrake

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Calm down there Not every generalisation about crypto (good or bad) is a personal attack on you or by extension your personal beliefs

Perfectly calm dude. I guess there must have been someone that spurred the need for these generalisations then and they're none the wiser.

q85dw7osi4lebg

Multiple crypto youtube channels hit with strikes in the past 24h.

Some accounts have lost up to two years worth of videos, and many accounts have well over 100k followers, with any affected accounts barred from uploading for a week.

Any opinions?

The sooner all platforms are decentralised, the better.

el diablo

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

Multiple crypto youtube channels hit with strikes in the past 24h.

Some accounts have lost up to two years worth of videos, and many accounts have well over 100k followers, with any affected accounts barred from uploading for a week.

Any opinions?

The sooner all platforms are decentralised, the better.

Which channels were hit?

Lex Luthor

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

Multiple crypto youtube channels hit with strikes in the past 24h.

Some accounts have lost up to two years worth of videos, and many accounts have well over 100k followers, with any affected accounts barred from uploading for a week.

Any opinions?

The sooner all platforms are decentralised, the better.

Big brother doesn’t want the news to get out there me thinks

Lex Luthor

el diablo wrote: »

Which channels were hit?

Chris Dunn
Alex Saunders

Bob24

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

Multiple crypto youtube channels hit with strikes in the past 24h.

Some accounts have lost up to two years worth of videos, and many accounts have well over 100k followers, with any affected accounts barred from uploading for a week.

Any opinions?

The sooner all platforms are decentralised, the better.

Not aware of this particular cases, but YouTube is gradually becoming a global propaganda machine: on the surface they allow anyone to easily reach a global audience, but in practice as soon as someone they don’t like starts becoming too influential, they dereference, demonetise, or as a last resort block access to the platform.

I.e. some kind of modern censorship whereby anyone is free to say whatever they want so that they can’t say there is no freedom of speech, and rather than hard censorship speech control is exercised by only granting people access to a wide audience when they are saying the right things.

Lex Luthor

Altcoin Daily
The Moon (Carl)

The list is growing:mad:

Lex Luthor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qikr_UDuUJ0

First they came for Alex Jones..

peterofthebr

i noticed a video which was about the true origions of jesus (pharo connection..)..it was hours long.. was removed from youtube about 4 years ago.. so this is nothing new.

q85dw7osi4lebg

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Altcoin Daily
The Moon (Carl)

The list is growing:mad:

Carl is only a young lad and his Instagram is full of sh1t and crappy posts about materialist stuff.

But if you want some decent TA analysis and fairly good hit rates he's the only man in my opinion.

Bob24

Google now saying it was a mistake: https://cointelegraph.com/news/youtube-reinstates-more-crypto-related-content-admits-to-mistake-via-twitter

But given the scale of it (and the fact that some publishers are saying they are still having issues) , I don’t buy it was a pure honest mistake. It looks more like to me they were testing the water.

The good thing is that it got some people to realise how much power they have given to a private corporation which given YouTube’s dominance essentially has the capacity to decide who has the right to publish which video content to a wide audience globally.

Lex Luthor

Gerald Obedient Manicurist wrote: »

But if you want some decent TA analysis and fairly good hit rates he's the only man in my opinion.

His 2 buddies on MMCRYPTO & da Vinci j15 are also decent
Crypto Jebb is a very good and thorough guy aswell

el diablo

Lex Luthor wrote: »

His 2 buddies on MMCRYPTO & da Vinci j15 are also decent

I've stopped listening to these two moonboys months ago as they've been consistently wrong about everything for quite some time now. :pac:

unkel

el diablo wrote: »

they've been consistently wrong about everything for quite some time now. :pac:

Hasn't everybody been wrong? :pac:

nedkelly123

there is a free telegram group called RSG Troll box .. the guy has done a proven 28x last year , the group is free to join and he does troll a lot of the other moonboys ... its very funny hes on twitter as @calledMargin the group is t.me/RSGTrollBoxx i found it a great source

Dohnjoe

nedkelly123 wrote: »

there is a free telegram group called RSG Troll box .. the guy has done a proven 28x last year , the group is free to join and he does troll a lot of the other moonboys ... its very funny hes on twitter as @calledMargin the group is t.me/RSGTrollBoxx i found it a great source

Yeah. No.

Kickstart1.3

Bitcoin going below $7000 again. idk whats causing the drop but it looks to me like the Alts sell which give Bitcoin a temporary boost until it's cashed out.
Serious lack of interest in many of the Alts now,even the likes of Stellar which has massive amount of development is tanking.
What is laughable is these youtube so called "Wise men" knob heads. I think the there hayday has passed.
It's going to take serious innovation to get the whole thing moving in the right direction because at the moment its nothing more than failed projects and promises of Moon and lambos tomorrow

makeorbrake

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

Bitcoin going below $7000 again. idk whats causing the drop but it looks to me like the Alts sell which give Bitcoin a temporary boost until it's cashed out.
Serious lack of interest in many of the Alts now,even the likes of Stellar which has massive amount of development is tanking.
What is laughable is these youtube so called "Wise men" knob heads. I think the there hayday has passed.
It's going to take serious innovation to get the whole thing moving in the right direction because at the moment its nothing more than failed projects and promises of Moon and lambos tomorrow

Promises of Moon and lambos? It depends on where you're sourcing your information. I disagree - but wonderful - more of this sort of thinking please - bravo.

Kickstart1.3

Of course its dependant on information sources and perspective. But you cannot deny the amount of knobs on youtube who had there hayday back in 2017 when it was at the peak of public interest

makeorbrake

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

Of course its dependant on information sources and perspective. But you cannot deny the amount of knobs on youtube who had there hayday back in 2017 when it was at the peak of public interest

People also have a responsibility as regards what media they 'consume'.

nedkelly123

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Yeah. No.

ok stay REKT

nedkelly123

Alt coins solving 99% of problems that 99% of people will never have .. .Steer clear of them folks ... trade them to get more BTC .. and thats about it ...

maninasia

A little less worried lately...are we seeing an alt revival ?

Lex Luthor

maninasia wrote: »

A little less worried lately...are we seeing an alt revival ?

looks like it
LTC has been leading them

stockshares

Has anyone been following Justin Tron and CZ's takeover of Steem.

Apparently Tron paid Binance to use their Customers Steem funds to control voting on Steem network.

https://bitcoinist.com/steem-goes-down-after-major-exchanges-hijack-consensus-mechanism/

themossinator

stockshares wrote: »

Has anyone been following Justin Tron and CZ's takeover of Steem.

Apparently Tron paid Binance to use their Customers Steem funds to control voting on Steem network.

https://bitcoinist.com/steem-goes-down-after-major-exchanges-hijack-consensus-mechanism/

this is why people should stay away from these ****coins and binance

Lex Luthor

themossinator wrote: »

this is why people should stay away from these ****coins and binance

I’ve already pulled everything off Binance

JohnnyFlash

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I’ve already pulled everything off Binance

I’ve been getting guff around here for the past few months for pointing out that Binance looks like, acts like, and smells like an elaborate scam exchange.

The STEEM thing is just the latest crack to appear in the image that CZ Binance has tried to cultivate. It’s why he’s so tetchy in Twitter these days - the net is closing.

He deleted this earlier today.


3d dice model online

Lex Luthor

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’ve been getting guff around here for the past few months for pointing out that Binance looks like, acts like, and smells like an elaborate scam exchange.

The STEEM thing is just the latest crack to appear in the image that CZ Binance has tried to cultivate. It’s why he’s so tetchy in Twitter these days - the net is closing.

He deleted this earlier today.


3d dice model online

I just created the account to get me some NEO, but I’ve also heard something about them and their domain name and issues on that so I won’t be going near them

JohnnyFlash

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I just created the account to get me some NEO, but I’ve also heard something about them and their domain name and issues on that so I won’t be going near them

What’s that about the domain? Didn’t read anything about that.

Dohnjoe

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’ve been getting guff around here for the past few months for pointing out that Binance looks like, acts like, and smells like an elaborate scam exchange.

In fairness you label most of crypto a scam and have repeatedly claimed it's just about to go to zero

JohnnyFlash

Dohnjoe wrote: »

In fairness you label most of crypto a scam and have repeatedly claimed it's just about to go to zero

Oh it could take years to go to zero. Most advanced Ponzi schemes do.

I think the STEEM/Binance/Justin Sun fiasco goes to show that POS is a really stupid idea, and that the scene is full of conmen out to get rich by using technical mumbo jumbo to confuse the greedy and technically illiterate.

q85dw7osi4lebg

Bought some more Bitcorn there. Get a little kick every time I do, odd.

JohnnyFlash

This could be a bit of a clusterfûck scenario for Binance.

CZ and the other shady exchanges could withdraw their votes. On the STEEM blockchain this locks funds for 13 weeks. Now they can pull their usual ‘we need more KYC documentation’ trick but they now have users who won’t be able to withdraw their shïtcoins.

They keep the votes in place and push through the hard fork. Not good for the ‘muh decentralisation’ mantra.

Now STEEM is a classic Dan Larimer shïtcoin, and little of value will be lost, but it just shows how stupid proof of stake and distributed proof of stake really are.

So you’re left with Bitcoin and PoW. A network that allows 4 transactions per second and conservatively uses as much CO2 in a year as Ryanair. An airline that flew 152 million passengers last year.

The sooner this entire Rube Goldberg ‘scene’ collapses, the better.

Dohnjoe

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Oh it could take years to go to zero. Most advanced Ponzi schemes do.

Indeed, I have a decent memory, I remember the predictions, that tether would collapse, all that. They seem to adjust a lot, just like the crypto market

grindle

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Now STEEM is a classic Dan Larimer shïtcoin, and little of value will be lost, but it just shows how stupid proof of stake and distributed proof of stake really are.

Correct with the first bit, but you mean Delegated Proof of Stake and it was already known to be poorly thought out because it very easily leads to cartels - as EOS has shown multiple times over the last two years.

What's happened with STEEM isn't a consideration with Ethereum(-alikes) and has everything to do with the D element of DPoS (how upgrades or decisions are made) than the PoS part.

Lex Luthor

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What’s that about the domain? Didn’t read anything about that.

not in the public domain

JohnnyFlash

Lex Luthor wrote: »

not in the public domain

Sounds made up then to be honest.

Lex Luthor

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Sounds made up then to be honest.

I see Binance went "down" this morning soon after the big news from India :rolleyes:

stockshares

https://www.fca.org.uk/news/warnings/bitmex

UK Financial Regulator warns against Bitmex. It also warned about Kraken before removing the post.

From Cryptocompare Newsletter(link broken so I can't post)

"The U.K.’s Financial Conduct Authority (FCA), the country’s financial watchdog, has warned it suspects popular crypto derivatives trading platform BitMEX has been operating in the country without proper authorization. In a statement, the regulator wrote:

“We believe this firm has been providing financial services or products in the UK without our authorisation.“
In the statement the FCA added users should be wary when dealing with the trading platform, and likened it to scammers on the cryptocurrency space, giving out tips on how to deal with these.

Every firm offering financial products in the U.K. needs to register with the FCA, although “some firms act without our authorization and some knowingly run investment scams,” it wrote. The FCA further warned that BitMEX is targeting the country’s citizens, and since it isn’t registered with the FCA those dealing with it won’t have access to the U.K.’s Financial Ombudsman Service, which has the power to resolve trading disputes.

The statement came hours after the FCA issued one about crypto exchange Kraken before promptly removing it."

Lex Luthor

Just heard Binance got hacked

Need to verify

20,000 bitcoin gone...!!!

FFVII

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Just heard Binance got hacked

Need to verify

20,000 bitcoin gone...!!!

Do they not all use cold storage or something now? How does this happen?

Lex Luthor

No clue. To be confirmed. Would be prudent to check your accounts if on binance just in case

Dohnjoe

Lex Luthor wrote: »

No clue. To be confirmed. Would be prudent to check your accounts if on binance just in case

Source?

Lex Luthor

Not verified so waiting to hear back
My account ok