Holocaust Laws

Pat Mustard

Carawaystick wrote: »

Of course in Ireland we have state agencies to deny that holocaust deniers are actually holocaust deniers.
a british immigrant wrote

Myers nitpicked about the round number of six million deaths and the etymology of the word holocaust, claiming to be a holocaust denier on that basis while simultaneously acknowledging the extermination of the Jewish people by the Nazis. It's like Trump saying that Mexicans like him. He can say it all he wants - it just doesn't mean anything.

This was an attempt to court controversy on the pretext of free speech. In my view, it was nothing more.

The actual 2009 Indo article was taken down but it is claimed to have been recreated here.

Carawaystick

riffmongous wrote: »

I think what most people unfamiliar with Myers missed, was that it all really just a set-up for him to write another anti-islam article.

Because anti-semitism is only wrong against certain semites...

dr.fuzzenstein wrote:

You just cannot understand it, many countries have started wars, but only Germany started 2 world wars.
That in itself is bad enough, but the genocide on the Jewish people makes it so much worse.

the Holocaust wasn't even the first genocide Germany did in the 20th century, they tried to wipe out the Namaqua and Herero people in what roughly is Namibia
They also aided the Turk genociding the Armenians.

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dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I'm sure you guys understand that Germany is in a unique position with this law?
A good article on the subject:

https://smartergerman.com/german-politics/holocaust-denial-crime-germany/

You just cannot understand it, many countries have started wars, but only Germany started 2 world wars.
That in itself is bad enough, but the genocide on the Jewish people makes it so much worse.
There is no thought worse than something like that rearing it's head again here. I'm of a generation where my parents and grandparents were affected by the war. They told me their stories, both from the perspective of children (my parents) and grown up (grandparents)
Despite never having lived it, I've heard all about it and I remember many of the older generation missing arms, legs and having other various scars. My Grandfather had a dent in his head with a bit of shrapnel embedded in his skull and my biology teacher was missing an arm.
You just couldn't have a concept of what it's like as a German visiting any neighbouring countries, even when the people are friendly at least to my mind there's always that unspoken accusation, be it real or imagined. Definitely in Holland people are not toof ond of Germans and I was blown away by the Norwegians why couldn't have been nicer.
To me people who want to revitalise Nazi Germany or are sympathetic to it, are vermin of the worst sort.
I don't know if this law is the best way to go about it, but look at today's world. People state barefaced that the Earth is flat and the Queen is a Lizard. So people are very willing to knowingly state falsehoods that are clearly untenable under any kind of logical and critical thinking. People voted trump and Brexit for God's sake! So we know that there are quite a number of people who would willingly and with malicious intent state a massive falsehood with an innocent face and if challenged would just smile and say "what?"
Now saying the Earth is flat and the Queen a lizard is all fine and dandy, but saying the holocaust didn't happen or wasn't all that bad really and the Nazis were secretly the good guys all along is not only dangerous but in Germany completely unacceptable.
I have absolutely zero sympathy with people who get banged up or fined for that, the same as with having Nazi symbols or giving Hitler salute.

It was a bit more complicated than that, but Germany did not start WW1?

Carawaystick wrote: »

Because anti-semitism is only wrong against certain semites...

the Holocaust wasn't even the first genocide Germany did in the 20th century, they tried to wipe out the Namaqua and Herero people in what roughly is Namibia
They also aided the Turk genociding the Armenians.

Spain/Portugal in the New world, European settlers and North American Indigenous population, Britain and a lot of places, ignoring the Famine could be conceived of as genocide, concentration camps in Boer war, Communist states of USSR and China, either by mismanagement or neglect, Famines