Katie Hopkins DETAINED in South Africa for 'spreading racial hatred'

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so tell us how many white farmers were murdered last year and what the murder rate is for white farmers in comparison to the rest of the population?

Information here wp-content/uploads/Report-Farm-attacks-and-farm-murders-in-South-Africa1.pdf. If that link doesn't work the Wikipedia page on South African farm attacks has the link (footnote no 19)

Grayson

Baltic Sea wrote: »

Information here wp-content/uploads/Report-Farm-attacks-and-farm-murders-in-South-Africa1.pdf. If that link doesn't work the Wikipedia page on South African farm attacks has the link (footnote no 19)

That's not a link. There's no domain. That's a folder.

On the plus side, it's not the murder porn you were posting earlier.

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so tell us how many white farmers were murdered last year and what the murder rate is for white farmers in comparison to the rest of the population?

Grayson wrote: »

How am I trolling? And the link the rereg posted was sick. It was disgusting and it's not defensible. It shouldn't be part of an argument. It was placed there to disturb me and to try and elicit a reaction from me.

Shenshen wrote: »

I'll risk sounding callous, but the reported numbers online are 19k murders last year. 74 of these were white farmers. Given that this is happening on the other side of the planet from us, how much coverage would you think is adequate for this particular fraction of a percentage of the total number or murders committed in South Africa?

It's an issue that's happening right now and we should talk about it and be aware. There are issues with black people being killed by police in America. No one (apart from cranks) says 'yeah well it's just x amount of black people killed, no big deal'.

What annoys me is the sneering and arrogance from certain people who will happily tell you how righteous they are when it's other groups being victimized.

ohnonotgmail

Baltic Sea wrote: »

here wp-content/uploads/Report-Farm-attacks-and-farm-murders-in-South-Africa1.pdf. If that link doesn't work the Wikipedia page on South African farm attacks has the link (footnote no 19)

I already have that information and it has already been posted on this thread. It doesnt answer the question i asked. It doesnt even say how many white farmers were killed, only the number of farmers. So that is 74 out of 19,000 murders and you think that amounts to genocide?

ohnonotgmail

Baltic Sea wrote: »

here wp-content/uploads/Report-Farm-attacks-and-farm-murders-in-South-Africa1.pdf. If that link doesn't work the Wikipedia page on South African farm attacks has the link (footnote no 19)

you really need to sort out your link posting. not one of them has worked so far and they haven't even been actual URLs

Baltic Sea

Grayson wrote: »

That's not a link. There's no domain. That's a folder.

On the plus side, it's not the murder porn you were posting earlier.

Being a new user it's hard for me to post links.

Go to Wikipeda, go to the 'South African farm attacks' page and follow footnote 19. That will give you the information.

Hande hoche!

They shouldn't have disbanded the commando system.

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you really need to sort out your link posting. not one of them has worked so far and they haven't even been actual URLs

New users can't post links.

Go to Wikipedia, 'South African farm attacks' and click on footnote 19 for the link.

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I already have that information and it has already been posted on this thread. It doesnt answer the question i asked. It doesnt even say how many white farmers were killed, only the number of farmers. So that is 74 out of 19,000 murders and you think that amounts to genocide?

I didn't say genocide, but it's shocking levels of violence.

Professor Moriarty

Baltic Sea wrote: »

Being a new user it's hard for me to post links.

Go to Wikipeda, go to the 'South African farm attacks' page and follow footnote 19. That will give you the information.

Nah. All murders are gruesome. Death is death. Black or white. Perhaps you have a point you can make using words?

ohnonotgmail

Baltic Sea wrote: »

I didn't say genocide, but it's shocking levels of violence.

19000 murders is a shocking level of violence. but you seem more concerned about 74 for some reason.

BillyBobBS

She's a grade A wonderful woman in my opinion. Love the way she speaks her mind and to hell with what everyone thinks. The world needs more of her ilk.

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

19000 murders is a shocking level of violence. but you seem more concerned about 74 for some reason.

And you say the same to people who are concerned about black people being murdered in the US? No of course not.

Professor Moriarty

BillyBobBS wrote: »

She's a grade A wonderful woman in my opinion. Love the way she speaks her mind and to hell with what everyone thinks. The world needs more of her ilk.

Nope. I doubt you ever heard of her before stumbling on this thread.

Shenshen

Baltic Sea wrote: »

It's an issue that's happening right now and we should talk about it and be aware. There are issues with black people being killed by police in America. No one (apart from cranks) says 'yeah well it's just x amount of black people killed, no big deal'.

What annoys me is the sneering and arrogance from certain people who will happily tell you how righteous they are when it's other groups being victimized.

Maybe that's because while black people make for just over 12% of the overall population, they account for around a quarter of people killed by police.
When talking homicides, they account for around 50% of the total number.

You're talking about a particular subset of murders that make up a total of 0.003% of all murders in that country.

Baltic Sea

Shenshen wrote: »

Maybe that's because while black people make for just over 12% of the overall population, they account for around a quarter of people killed by police.
When talking homicides, they account for around 50% of the total number.

You're talking about a particular subset of murders that make up a total of 0.003% of all murders.

So explain why I shouldn't care about farmers being killed in SA?

ohnonotgmail

Baltic Sea wrote: »

And you say the same to people who are concerned about black people being murdered in the US? No of course not.

perhaps you should look at the statistics before making stupid comparisons.

Shenshen

Baltic Sea wrote: »

So explain why I shouldn't care about farmers being killed in SA?

I'm not saying you shouldn't, at all.
I'm just wondering why out of the 19,000 murdered you picked those 74? Not one of them should have died, these numbers are actually horrendous, and in a way I guess I have to be grateful to Katie Hopkins for indirectly pointing this out to me. I knew South Africa had a bad crime problem, but the equivalent of the population of an Irish county killed off in a year - that really drives it home, somehow.
Why narrow your focus on 0.003% of them, though? Why do you seem more preoccupied with these than with the other 99.997%?

ohnonotgmail

Baltic Sea wrote: »

So explain why I shouldn't care about farmers being killed in SA?

explain why you are more concerned about a tiny percentage of murders but not the rest?

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps you should look at the statistics before making stupid comparisons.

It's an issue I am concerned about but because of the races involved certain people get very uncomfortable, but hey, that's the their flaw.

It's like Rotherham, Rochdale, Newcastle etc, etc etc The issue was covered up for years.

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

explain why you are more concerned about a tiny percentage of murders but not the rest?

Why do I have to?

ohnonotgmail

Baltic Sea wrote: »

It's an issue I am concerned about but because of the races involved certain people get very uncomfortable, but hey, that's the their flaw.

It's like Rotherham, Rochdale, Newcastle etc, etc etc The issue was covered up for years.

so you only care about white people being killed. Understood.

wnolan1992

Baltic Sea wrote: »

So explain why I shouldn't care about farmers being killed in SA?

From my reading of this thread, no one's saying you shouldn't care. All murders are tragic.

What people are suggesting here is that you're possibly over-inflating the significance of these murders because it fits with your agenda, when in reality they seem to be a blip on the scale in terms of statistics.

They shouldn't be ignored by any means, but what some people seem to be suggesting is that this is some great coverup by liberal PC cucks who just can't face up to the truth about what's really going on in the world. When in reality, they equate to 0.004% of murders in South Africa.

Professor Moriarty

Baltic Sea wrote: »

Why do I have to?

Don't then. People can draw their own conclusions.

Shenshen

Baltic Sea wrote: »

Why do I have to?

Well, you expect us to share your concern. A good first step would be to explain why you feel so strongly about it?

Baltic Sea

Shenshen wrote: »

I'm not saying you shouldn't, at all.
I'm just wondering why out of the 19,000 murdered you picked those 74? Not one of them should have died, these numbers are actually horrendous, and in a way I guess I have to be grateful to Katie Hopkins for indirectly pointing this out to me. I knew South Africa had a bad crime problem, but the equivalent of the population of an Irish county killed off in a year - that really drives it home, somehow.
Why narrow your focus on 0.003% of them, though? Why do you seem more preoccupied with these than with the other 99.997%?

Oh are you trying to portray me as a racist? Ha ha. I am concerned because I believe most people, and the media, doesn't give a ****.

Shenshen

Baltic Sea wrote: »

Oh are you trying to portray me as a racist? Ha ha. I am concerned because I believe most people, and the media, doesn't give a ****.

Why would I want to do that? I'm simply trying to understand why you seem very callous about the terrifying total number of murders, but extremely concerned about a really very small subsection?

Baltic Sea

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you only care about white people being killed. Understood.

Yep that's it, good lad yourself. Sure why didn't you just call me a racist and then get high on your own farts?

Professor Moriarty

Baltic Sea wrote: »

Yep that's it, good lad yourself. Sure why didn't you just call me a racist and then get high on your own farts?

Racist!

Aaaah. Bliss.

Baltic Sea

Shenshen wrote: »

Why would I want to do that? I'm simply trying to understand why you seem very callous about the terrifying total number of murders, but extremely concerned about a really very small subsection?

I know this game very well. Sure why care about the 1400 white girls raped in Rotherham? Sure that's only a small no of the total rapes in Britain, don't be racist. That's it isn't it.

pilly

Baltic Sea wrote:

Yep that's it, good lad yourself. Sure why didn't you just call me a racist and then get high on your own farts?

Okay if it'll make you happy. You're a racist.

Baltic Sea

pilly wrote: »

Okay if it'll make you happy. You're a racist.

I don't even feel anger to you people any more. Pity if anything. So brainwashed, so unable to form any independent thought for yourselves.

pilly

Baltic Sea wrote:

I don't even feel anger to you people any more. Pity if anything. So brainwashed, so unable to form any independent thought for yourselves.

Ah good. I'm glad you're not angry anymore.

Professor Moriarty

Baltic Sea wrote: »

I don't even feel anger to you people any more. Pity if anything. So brainwashed, so unable to form any independent thought for yourselves.

You have an opportunity to change people's minds right here. Go for it.

wnolan1992

Baltic Sea wrote: »

I don't even feel anger to you people any more. Pity if anything. So brainwashed, so unable to form any independent thought for yourselves.

Hiya! Independent thoughts here for you when you get a chance there kid:

Is it possible that you're inflating the significance of the relatively insignificant number of murders (in statistical terms) of white farmers in South Africa because it feeds into your agenda?

Is it possible that you're just as guilty of having a blinkered view of world events as you accuse others of being?

If we were to analyse the murder figures in South Africa in more detail, do you think it's likely that we'd be able to cherry-pick a significant number of white-on-black murder also, which could be used to portray a narrative of South Africa still being horrifically racist against blacks?

Would you not agree that viewing cases like this in isolation is largely pointless when it comes to having a broad discussion, and that while the individual cases are undoubtedly tragic and concerning, the fact that they're statistically insignificant is far more likely to be the cause of peoples' disinterest rather than deep-seated bias?


EDIT: Aw, seems they've been banned. Damn, I spent WAY too long putting this post together in retrospect.

RDM_83 again

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The documentary is being made because Hopkins is flat broke and needs to generate some kind of publicity so that some dumb schmucks will crowdfund her. You dont actually expect proper investigative journalism from her do you?



The BBC wrote an article that asked a question. the question was



and the answer was

The BBC article is very much saying that we don't know and it's likely flawed statistics are being used to make the claim, however it doesn't seem to indicate if there is relevant reliable statistics at all.
When looking at it though, even if the white farmer murder rate is "only" the same as the general population something weird is still going on, normally being much wealthier, being rural, living in secure conditions results in a murder rate that's well below the average.

I don't have a clue about SA but the above would appear to be a common trend in nearly any other country, if it's not present then there is questions, though those questions might have to wait a while if there is 19000 other murders to ask questions about.

Was there any risk of Katie Hopkins inflaming anything more than they already are, I mean an English hack making a documentary isn't really the same as a very popular politician singing about killing a different ethnic group right?

ohnonotgmail

RDM_83 again wrote: »

The BBC article is very much saying that we don't know and it's likely flawed statistics are being used to make the claim, however it doesn't seem to indicate if there is relevant reliable statistics at all.
When looking at it though, even if the white farmer murder rate is "only" the same as the general population something weird is still going on, normally being much wealthier, being rural, living in secure conditions results in a murder rate that's well below the average.

I don't have a clue about SA but the above would appear to be a common trend in nearly any other country, if it's not present then there is questions, though those questions might have to wait a while if there is 19000 other murders to ask questions about.

Was there any risk of Katie Hopkins inflaming anything more than they already are, I mean an English hack making a documentary isn't really the same as a very popular politician singing about killing a different ethnic group right?

I thought the article was clear that relevant reliable statistics do not exist. wwhich is the problem.

RDM_83 again

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I thought the article was clear that relevant reliable statistics do not exist. wwhich is the problem.

Yep my point, people are talking like the BBC article is some sort of gotcha that the idea of white farmers being disproportionately targets is false whereas it's simply, we don't know.

I'm also trying to indicate as well it a population that has a whole bunch of characteristics that normally correlate strongly with a reduced rate of violent death yet they have the same rate of violent death as the general population, that's still an indication that something is going on even if the death rate is "average".

ohnonotgmail

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Yep my point, people are talking like the BBC article is some sort of gotcha that the idea of white farmers being disproportionately targets is false whereas it's simply, we don't know.

I'm also trying to indicate as well it a population that has a whole bunch of characteristics that normally correlate strongly with a reduced rate of violent death yet they have the same rate of violent death as the general population, that's still an indication that something is going on even if the death rate is "average".

I would dispute that correlation. Being rural they are far away from any help and therefore more vulnerable to violent attack.

RDM_83 again

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I would dispute that correlation. Being rural they are far away from any help and therefore more vulnerable to violent attack.

I can't pull murders per 100,000 by precinct from this site unfortunately which is what would answer this question http://www.crimestatssa.com

However Cape Town has double the average murder rate per 100,000 at 65.53 per 100,000 people so if the other cities have similar issues we can work out that the amount of murders per 100,000 people is very likely to be below average in rural areas.

Mutant z

South Africans should have far bigger things to worry about their whole country is falling apart at the seams.

Odhinn

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There is nobody else fighting their corner. The media seem to be happy to turn a blind eye because it's not "Progressive".

We have seen already how blind of an eye people are willing to turn with Zimbabwe. Nobody willing to bat an eyelid, none of our politicians or media folk willing to speak out. Ain't gonna be any flags flying outside Dublin City Hall for this one, no matter how far they take it

You do realise that that a rake of Zanu PF are under sanctions? Mugabe in particular?

dr.fuzzenstein

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Was there any risk of Katie Hopkins inflaming anything more than they already are, I mean an English hack making a documentary isn't really the same as a very popular politician singing about killing a different ethnic group right?

I am absolutely sure it wouldn't have helped.
She cherry picked a statistic and viewed it in isolation, ignoring the wider problems of the country in order to further her own agenda, which is to sow discord, divide people and get attention for herself.
Does anyone honestly think she turned into Robert Fisk overnight?
The whole fake detainment saga only proves the point that she is a shallow, ignorant, attention seeking bitch who doesn't care about anyone but herself.
And then she throws in the "poor me, I'm so sick" angle as well.

For anyone who is still unsure about Katie Hopkins, here are a few of her "gems":

NO, I don’t care. Show me pictures of coffins, show me bodies floating in water, play violins and show me skinny people looking sad.
I still don’t care.

and

Make no mistake, these migrants are like cockroaches. They might look a bit “Bob Geldof’s Ethiopia circa 1984”, but they are built to survive a nuclear bomb. They are survivors.

Honestly, if anyone thinks this woman cares and wants to help, you are deluded.

And the fact we are talking about here (again) is a reminder that as far as trolls go, she is the grandmaster of them all. Once again she lied and manipulated the media to get her ugly mug out there.
Everytime I talk about ther, I feel dissapointed and dirty, like I need to take a shower. The shame of knowing that in a small way, I supported this Geebag by sending a tiny bit more attention her way.

Odhinn

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I am absolutely sure it wouldn't have helped.
She cherry picked a statistic and viewed it in isolation, ignoring the wider problems of the country in order to further her own agenda, which is to sow discord, divide people and get attention for herself.
Does anyone honestly think she turned into Robert Fisk overnight?
The whole fake detainment saga only proves that point that she is a shallow, ignorant, attention seeking bitch who doesn't care about anyone but herself.
And then she throws in the "poor me, I'm so sick" angle as well.

For anyone who is still unsure about Katie Hopkins, here are a few of her "gems":



.

And this
http://www.hopenothate.org.uk/2018/01/15/katie-hopkins-blames-black-people-racial-stereotypes/

BillyBobBS

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Nope. I doubt you ever heard of her before stumbling on this thread.

Cool story man.

Annasopra

AnneFrank wrote: »

People can't deal with her honesty,I find it refreshing

Honesty? She is a proven liar

Annasopra

BillyBobBS wrote: »

She's a grade A wonderful woman in my opinion. Love the way she speaks her mind and to hell with what everyone thinks. The world needs more of her ilk.

Nah. Her hate is not needed at all.

Shenshen

Baltic Sea wrote: »

I know this game very well. Sure why care about the 1400 white girls raped in Rotherham? Sure that's only a small no of the total rapes in Britain, don't be racist. That's it isn't it.

Rotherham? Why are we talking about Rotherham? I thought your concern was for white farmers in South Africa?

Shenshen

RDM_83 again wrote: »

The BBC article is very much saying that we don't know and it's likely flawed statistics are being used to make the claim, however it doesn't seem to indicate if there is relevant reliable statistics at all.
When looking at it though, even if the white farmer murder rate is "only" the same as the general population something weird is still going on, normally being much wealthier, being rural, living in secure conditions results in a murder rate that's well below the average.

I don't have a clue about SA but the above would appear to be a common trend in nearly any other country, if it's not present then there is questions, though those questions might have to wait a while if there is 19000 other murders to ask questions about.

Was there any risk of Katie Hopkins inflaming anything more than they already are, I mean an English hack making a documentary isn't really the same as a very popular politician singing about killing a different ethnic group right?

From reading a bit into the statistics and the situation as outlined by some newspaper articles, I understand that the farmers are in fact more vulnerable that the urban white population.
The urban white population seems to mainly reside in gated and well-protected communities, while the farmers live in relative isolation, without a lot of hire private guards or protection.

If this is actually true, I would expect the rate of white farmers being murdered to actually be a bit above the rate of whites being murdered in general.

Shenshen

Shenshen wrote: »

Baltic Sea wrote: »

I know this game very well. Sure why care about the 1400 white girls raped in Rotherham? Sure that's only a small no of the total rapes in Britain, don't be racist. That's it isn't it.

Rotherham? Why are we talking about Rotherham? I thought your concern was for white farmers in South Africa?

Symptoms of the same problem. Cognitive dissonance causes people to stifle inconvenient truths in order to protect the politically correct narrative.