The HuPeople Are Coming

Ipso

Neyite wrote: »

Jazz Jennings, a MTF trans teen has now discovered that thanks to puberty blockers that she hasn't enough penile tissue in her still-prepubescent penis to create a vagina. And it's irreversible.

I'd say that's a pretty big health "concern" and pretty damaging psychologically at such a tender age.

This is what happens when ideology trumps realism.

mad muffin

The trash people read on the dailymail… those side articles lol.

Jurgen Klopp

Neyite wrote: »

Jazz Jennings, a MTF trans teen has now discovered that thanks to puberty blockers that she hasn't enough penile tissue in her still-prepubescent penis to create a vagina. And it's irreversible.

I'd say that's a pretty big health "concern" and pretty damaging psychologically at such a tender age.

And I'll tell you another thing that will happen

10, 20, 30 years down the line you'll have some of these people who were given hormone blockers when they were under 18 who turned out to not be trans or like you said caused unnecessary illness or stunted growth

Depending on how it was done they will sue the state, such as HSE or the UKs NHS or whatever private medicals professionals authorized it saying they were too young and such professionals should have known better

Give them appropriate counselling, then once they reach 18, let them have their sex change or whatever as they will be an adult, well at least by what the state labels adulthood

wexie

Jurgen Klopp wrote: »

Give them appropriate counselling, then once they reach 18, let them have their sex change or whatever as they will be an adult, well at least by what the state labels adulthood

Is it much of an issue here? As I said previously I know someone who is transgender and she was very clearly told : until you are an adult you will get nothing other than counseling support.

This is a pretty serious process for an adult both medically and psychologically I find it hard to believe a medical professional would support starting it at a prepubescent age.

Having said that I'm not a medical professional, but I suspect your prediction is going to turn out to be spot on

Hande hoche!

mad muffin wrote: »

The trash people read on the dailymail… those side articles lol.

The famous bikini bar?

Neyite

wexie wrote: »

Is it much of an issue here? As I said previously I know someone who is transgender and she was very clearly told : until you are an adult you will get nothing other than counseling support.

This is a pretty serious process for an adult both medically and psychologically I find it hard to believe a medical professional would support starting it at a prepubescent age.

Having said that I'm not a medical professional, but I suspect your prediction is going to turn out to be spot on

A GP is going to refer the child to the experts. According to the HSE puberty blockers won't be given here to a child here, and they get support from an endocrinologist and child psychiatrist. Which, IMO is the correct way to treat a child who feels they are trans.

They get accused of being transphobic if they even try to find out facts and side effects about the powerful hormone medication being pushed on their child. It's distressing for a parent to see their child in such distress so you can see why parents would be tempted to travel for treatment, or illegally import the blockers if they have been guided to that as a fix for their distressed child from 'expert' groups.

conorhal

Neyite wrote: »

A GP is going to refer the child to the experts. According to the HSE puberty blockers won't be given here to a child here, and they get support from an endocrinologist and child psychiatrist. Which, IMO is the correct way to treat a child who feels they are trans.

They get accused of being transphobic if they even try to find out facts and side effects about the powerful hormone medication being pushed on their child. It's distressing for a parent to see their child in such distress so you can see why parents would be tempted to travel for treatment, or illegally import the blockers if they have been guided to that as a fix for their distressed child from 'expert' groups.

That may be the case now, but for how long will it remain so when the activist groups start claiming descrimination?
Is see that America's number one abortion provider Planned Parenthood is now offering puberty blockers to children, 'with their parent's consent'.

Considering that studies have shown that over 50% of children clinically diagnosed with gender dysphoria grow out of it, this is a worrying trend.

I don't doubt for a second that a generation from now this kind of child abuse will be looked back on with the kind of disgust we react to the Magdalene Laundries scandal today and we'll wonder how this was allowed to happen to children

One eyed Jack

Malayalam wrote: »

Justin Trudeau, the Canadian Prime Minister, interrupted a lady who said...

Did Trudeau just... 'mansplain'? :eek:

Where's my pitchfork! :mad:

Knex*

Malayalam wrote: »

I know why they are offered. To temporarily halt the development of characteristics of birth gender. Some studies are showing reduced bone density, increased diabetes, cancer and cardiovascular disease risk, and compromised fertility. Some professionals who are experts in the field are warning against the use, and advising counselling instead until the child is older. I am not alone in my supposed ignorance.

Imagine being so 'progressive' that you're actually regressive.

conorhal

Well, he's on message. Today the Canadians passed a law to make their national anthem gender neutral....

http://www.newsweek.com/canada-passes-bill-make-national-anthem-lyrics-gender-neutral-797150

Ipso

he really is an empty pair of socks.

WoollyRedHat

Trudeau really focusing on the real important issues of the day. No doubt his brave interruption will go down in history... or should I say theirstory.

Noveight

A flat bit of pandering really, isn't it?

Mutant z

With fruitcakes like that in charge is it any wonder that western society is going to pot.

JackTaylorFan

wexie wrote: »

Is it much of an issue here? As I said previously I know someone who is transgender and she was very clearly told : until you are an adult you will get nothing other than counseling support.

This is a pretty serious process for an adult both medically and psychologically I find it hard to believe a medical professional would support starting it at a prepubescent age.

Having said that I'm not a medical professional, but I suspect your prediction is going to turn out to be spot on

Piss off with your I know a transperson crap. It's the equivalent of a racist using the I know a black person defence.

**** sake..

Well done for letting this transphobic circle-jerk continue Mods.

And the person who mentioned Jazz Jenning on here only gave the first part of the story - so again: wrong. But don't let that get in the way of denying the rights of people whose existence you dislike the very thought of.

Cheers to all the bigots on here.. And the MODs who allow you spread your misinformed crap.



Mod: Banned for... well... insulting almost everybody

JackTaylorFan

Pepefrogok wrote: »

They are not reversible.

I took one look at your username... And chalk your level of stupidity down to well everything your name is associated with...

JackTaylorFan

suicide_circus wrote: »

Do what you want with your own body but stay away from the kids and don't you dare tell me how to speak.

Oh look, we got the perpetually offemded Helen ****ing Lovejoy over here with the "think of the children' rant.

Appealing to emotion not reason. Used by bigots wprldwide. Truth is: you don't give a **** about the wellbeing of these children sufferig, you're just upset because it ****s with your narrow-minded little worldview. Well too bad, cupcake. Cause it's happening.

JackTaylorFan

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Piss off with your I know a tramsperson crap. It's the equivalent of a racist using the I know a black person defence.

**** sake..

Well done for letting this teansphobic circle continue Mods.

And the person who mentuined Jazz Jemning on here only gave the first part of the story - so again: wrong. But don't let get in the way of denying the rights of people whose existence you dislike the very of.

Cheers to all the bigots on here.. And the MODs who allow you spread your misinformed crap.

Is it really bigotry though to be concerned that a pre-pubescent child be given medication that prevents puberty or that it's premature to transition when still so young?

Mutant z

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Piss off with your I know a tramsperson crap. It's the equivalent of a racist using the I know a black person defence.

**** sake..

Well done for letting this teansphobic circle continue Mods.

And the person who mentuined Jazz Jemning on here only gave the first part of the story - so again: wrong. But don't let get in the way of denying the rights of people whose existence you dislike the very of.

Cheers to all the bigots on here.. And the MODs who allow you spread your misinformed crap.

What would children know about this they shouldn't be having their minds filled with this kind of nonsense but out enjoying their childhood why are others pushing their own agendas on to vulnerable children

Atoms for Peace

Mutant z wrote: »

With fruitcakes like that in charge is it any wonder that western society is going to pot.

Putin will save us!!! Riding a bear bareback a d shooting his AK-74.

Mutant z

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it really bigotry though to be concerned that a pre-pubescent child be given medication that prevents puberty or that it's premature to transition when still so young?

Some will always have an axe to grind i wouldn't take any notice of it just let them wallow in their own insecurities they obviously dont care about the sort of damage this madness is doing to children.

Mutant z

Mutant z wrote: »

Some will always have an axe to grind i wouldn't take any notice of it just let them wallow in their own insecurities they obviously dont care about the sort of damage this madness is doing to children.

I imagine transgenderism to be a difficult struggle with a lot of soul searching involved. Not for a minute would I dismiss the experience or be so arrogant as to assume it's a mental illness. Who am I to put that label on another's experience. However when it comes to children we should tread carefully. They are growing and changing. There will be plenty of time for adult decisions down the road.

Wompa1

Back when I was in primary school, probably 26 years ago or so, we had to take part in the Christmas choir. A nun changed the word mankind and changed the word he (in relation to man) to be gender neutral. Turns out, she was ahead of her time.

Personally, I don't really give a sh1t one way or another. If he does, let him off. No skin off my nose.

Call Me Jimmy

Candie wrote: »

This stuff only matters if you let it.

Ignore it and it won't gain any traction, make a big thing of it and then you're making it a big thing.

note the gasps in the audience for the most tame jokes imaginable

JackTaylorFan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I imagine transgenderism to be a difficult struggle with a lot of soul searching involved. Not for a minute would I dismiss the experience or be so arrogant as to assume it's a mental illness. Who am I to put that label on another's experience. However when it comes to children we should tread carefully. They are growing and changing. There will be plenty of time for adult decisions down the road.

Blockers are entirely reversible - it simply delays puberty for a few years. Putting kids on them until they are legally able to make the decision of beginning a course of actual irreversible hormones is in many cases the best option. It is not a decision taken lightly by anyone involved, be it the doctors, parents or children. The process involves a lot of counseling for both parents and child. This is not an agenda, this is healthcare. This a person's life. Their body, their choice. Children who would be truamatised by the irreversible physical changes need this. This moral panic argument being brought forward by many here is an absolute disgrace but typical of a certain kind of people.

Transpeople exist at all ages. Our identity is no longer up for debate. Thanks.

P.s: Gay converaion therapy doesn't work either

Mutant z

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Blockers are entirely reversible - it simply delays puberty for a few years. Putting kids on them until they are legally able to make the decision of beginning a course of actual irreversible hormones is in many cases the best option. It is not a decision taken lightly by anyone involved, be it the doctors, parents or children. The process involves a lot of counseling for both parents and child. This is not an agenda, this is healthcare. This a person's life. Their body, their choice. Children who would be truamatised by the irreversible physical changes need this. This moral panic argument being brought forward by many here is an absolute disgrace but typical of a certain kind of people.

Transpeople exist at all ages. Our identity is no longer up for debate. Thanks.

P.s: Gay converaion therapy doesn't work either

Biology isnt debatable you thinking otherwise isnt going to change the fact of your assigned sex at birth just because you may want to identify as something doesnt make it say you are either biologically male or female whatever other label you want to put on it doesnt change a thing.

JackTaylorFan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it really bigotry though to be concerned that a pre-pubescent child be given medication that prevents puberty or that it's premature to transition when still so young?

Read my above comment. But to answer directly: yes, in many instances it is purely bigotry driving these 'concerns'. It's ultimately the parents' choice in these matters until a kid is old enough anyway. All the opinions from the morally outraged here are coming from a place of ignorance. I gaurantee the vast majority would change their mind if they saw their own child suffering with the effects of an unwanted puberty.

JackTaylorFan

JackTaylorFan wrote: »

Blockers are entirely reversible - it simply delays puberty for a few years. Putting kids on them until they are legally able to make the decision of beginning a course of actual irreversible hormones is in many cases the best option. It is not a decision taken lightly by anyone involved, be it the doctors, parents or children. The process involves a lot of counseling for both parents and child. This is not an agenda, this is healthcare. This a person's life. Their body, their choice. Children who would be truamatised by the irreversible physical changes need this. This moral panic argument being brought forward by many here is an absolute disgrace but typical of a certain kind of people.

Transpeople exist at all ages. Our identity is no longer up for debate. Thanks.

P.s: Gay converaion therapy doesn't work either

Yes am aware that transpeople exist and yes am also aware that gay conversion therapy doesn't work. I'm not sure what that P.S is for.

My concern is that reversible or not the use of such drugs maybe unnecessary for a growing and developing mind. That's all.

JackTaylorFan

Mutant z wrote: »

Biology isnt debatable you thinking otherwise isnt going to change the fact of your assigned sex at birth just because you may want to identify as something doesnt make it say you are either biologically male or female whatever other label you want to put on it doesnt change a thing.

This is the limit of your understanding of biology, I'll ssume: 3rd grader ****. Being trans is entirely biological. Some of it is genetic. But more pertinent: hormonal exposure in the developing fetal brain which has been shown to cause variatuon in sexuality and gender. So yes, it is entirely biological - but I understand it goes above your pay grade.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

JackTaylorFan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes am aware that transpeople exist and yes am also aware that gay conversion therapy doesn't work. I'm not sure what that P.S is for.

My concern is that reversible or not the use of such drugs maybe unnecessary for a growing and developing mind. That's all.

The P.S. is stating the bloody obvious. Trying to stop a child being who they are through counselling doesn't work.

And again your concerns are well noted, but honestly most transpeople could give a stuff about your "concerns". We know the risks. But thanks.