Ionity charging network

Silent Running

fricatus wrote: »

From looking at the website there are two ways to pay:



I'm not sure what a Mobility Service Provider is, but I'm guessing you sign up to some package with an RFID card that you can use at Ionity and other charge points. Pay by phone is as it says on the tin. It doesn't look like simple contactless debit card payments are an option. :rolleyes:

Mobility services are a UK thing.

Looking at the app, there's a QR code scanner. On Ecotricity in the UK you can scan a QR code and just input your CVV number when asked. On Instavolt, again UK, you can just tap a debit or credit card and charge away.

Ionity could use either or both these payment systems. Pay by phone seems to indicate the Ecotricity model.

unkel

Just signed up through Android app. Got confirmation email to verify my account. Verified, signed in, added a payment method (in my case a Mastercard Debit card)

When arriving at the charging station, just start the Ionity app and scan the barcode on the charger and it should start charging immediately (and take €8 from your account)

Couldn't be smoother or simpler, took about 2 minutes in total. That's a good sign.

zg3409

Yes all iced today good Friday at 1:30pm. I guess the future is driving on the grass to get close to the chargers from the other side. I might just bring a tow rope with me to reduce icing next visit

fricatus

Maybe the spaces need to be painted green? Your average moron mightn’t register that the Ionity machines are EV chargers.

ted1

zg3409 wrote: »

Yes all iced today good Friday at 1:30pm. I guess the future is driving on the grass to get close to the chargers from the other side. I might just bring a tow rope with me to reduce icing next visit

It’d be a great money spinner to clamp ICE that park there. Are the spaces painted green?

Mickeroo

ted1 wrote: »

It’d be a great money spinner to clamp ICE that park there. Are the spaces painted green?

Going by the pics I saw earlier they just look like normal spaces.

Shefwedfan

Time to start up a new company, clamper for Ionity, I will make a killing

unkel

zg3409 wrote: »

I guess the future is driving on the grass to get close to the chargers from the other side.

Did you have a good look and did you reckon it's easy enough to drive up on the grass on the other side?

What shops are there, just a petrol station and a McDonalds or more? I would go into the petrol station and shout out "is there any imbecile in here blocking the electric car chargers?"

But what a pity they didn't set it up as a separate "petrol station" like the Fastned station in the Netherlands. With parallel charging and a big roof over the lot with solar panels. Would be no mistaking then that these are not parking spaces. Everyone knows instinctively not to park at a petrol pump either.

unkel

Del2005

ted1 wrote: »

It’d be a great money spinner to clamp ICE that park there. Are the spaces painted green?

Clamp something blocking a resource for others, genius!

ted1

Del2005 wrote: »

Clamp something blocking a resource for others, genius!

Yep. Once word gets around It won’t be blocked again.

unkel

ted1 wrote: »

Yep. Once word gets around It won’t be blocked again.

I wouldn't be so confident. Drive around Dublin city any time of day or night and you will see dozens of cars clamped. This has been the same for the guts of 20 years now

Let's not rely on deterrents. Let's design the damn thing right from the start. Hint: not like ordinary parking spaces.

Kramer

Kramer

Spaces not painted yet. Cables a tad shorter that ideal for the Ioniq but manageable, just need to reverse well in near charger.
Payment issue for someone who had registered with the app but they eventually managed a charge after a 40 minute wait. There was no answer from the support phone number on the chargers either.
That particular charger rebooted while I was there, may have been an issue with it.
Saw three Ioniqs charging there simultaneously - no Leafs though .

Some teething issues aside, a great development & brilliant for Dublin to Cork CCS equipped EVs.

TOLLOT

So I tried the new chargers on the way to Dublin tonight .
I had a lot of teething probs .
I pre registered a MasterCard today and set up an acoount as a regular user .
I pulled in at no 2 station .
When I tried to pay through the app the payment process crashed repeatedly at the last step , generating a bunch of gobbobldy gook code onscreen .
I had a visa debit card also , alas this would not work either . I got a screen assaying the payment could not be verified.

I moved over to station no 1 and I had the same problems again .
Both my cards were BOI so maybe that was the issue .
I tried ringing the help line posted up in the charger , but no one answered so I gave up . It’s a Dublin no but I guess it transfers to Germsny possibly .
I was hoping for some help wit the payment issues

I eventually managed to set up a PayPal account and pay by connecting PayPal.

That got me out of trouble as I’d deliberately turned up with lowish SOC, 30 %.

Other random things I noticed

the charger screen doesn’t display charging speed , just time and KWH , but I could tell I was getting slightly more than 60 kw/hr before it began to taper . I was hoping to see more info on the display though .

Finally there will be lots of probs with ICE ing, 2 chargers were iced when I arrived .

No signage yet so ppl just think they are car park spaces I guess .

Few more random bits

They are ABB chargers ..

Another chap arrived while I was there with another Ioniq and he completed payment with little fuss , as a guest in the app with a CC
Met two other Ioniq drivers and we had a great chat !

Teething aside great to see ...

DrPhilG

TOLLOT wrote: »

No signage yet so ppl just think they are car park spaces I guess .

1 - No signage "yet". Are there plans for signage, bay painting and potential ticket/clamps?

2 - you give people too much credit by suggesting that they just don't realise. People would need to be exceptionally thick to not notice the 4ndirty great boxes in a row, with a plug and cable hanging on each! They just don't care.

unkel

TOLLOT wrote: »

They are ABB chargers ..

Well that's good anyway. Far superior compared to the unreliable EFACEC chargers the ESB use in Ireland.

Sabre Man

Sadly, on busy days ICE drivers park whereever they can find a spot. It has happened to the Tesla superchargers in Ireland as well. 1 Tesla, 7 ICE cars.

As long as there is no proper enforcement this will keep happening. Maybe we should park at the pumps while waiting for a free charger of they're ICEd. That should get their attention.

zg3409

unkel wrote: »

Did you have a good look and did you reckon it's easy enough to drive up on the grass on the other side?

What shops are there, just a petrol station and a McDonalds or more? I would go into the petrol station and shout out "is there any imbecile in here blocking the electric car chargers?"

In terms of driving on grass I would not recommend it until fresh earth is replaced with strong grass and then very carefully in non 4 wheel drive. A tip if you get stuck is to put the floor mats under the driving wheels to get you out of there.

I can't understand why they don't put parking spaces on both sides of chargers so each charger is accessible from 2 sides.

In terms of shops there is a full MacDonald's with drive through and a separate petrol station with large seating area upstairs, and they do dinners like proper motorway services. However this site was always built too small compared to proper motorway services with very limited parking . They have just increased parking, but still not to the level of a motorway services. The good news is the ionity spaces are far from the petrol pumps and should only get iced at peak period as last resort spaces. Also at least the grass option is unlikely to be iced, and there is potential for them to make more spaces on the grass side. It also looks as if there is cabling and spaces for 6 chargers with only 4 fitted. There is also an esb ecars triple head charger which is currently free to use, but I would suggest CCS users to not use it, to give leafs and zoes an option

Black_Knight

unkel wrote: »

Just signed up through Android app. Got confirmation email to verify my account. Verified, signed in, added a payment method (in my case a Mastercard Debit card)

When arriving at the charging station, just start the Ionity app and scan the barcode on the charger and it should start charging immediately (and take €8 from your account)

Couldn't be smoother or simpler, took about 2 minutes in total. That's a good sign.

So it's €8 whether you get a full charge or just a little top up? Benefits those with higher capacity I guess.

€8 for 200km in an ioniq Vs €8 for 400km in a Kona

fricatus

Black_Knight wrote: »

So it's €8 whether you get a full charge or just a little top up? Benefits those with higher capacity I guess.

€8 for 200km in an ioniq Vs €8 for 400km in a Kona

I did a rough calculation at one point and found that if E-Cars start charging 35c per kWh, you’d be better off with Ionity if arriving with less than 20% in an Ioniq. Of course it would be different for other cars. In a Kona or e-Niro, Ionity would almost always be the better bet, unless you were doing a quick top-up to guarantee getting all the way home.

JPA

Why is there not just contactless payment?

Should surely be the way going forward, 5 seconds and you're done.

markpb

JPA wrote: »

Why is there not just contactless payment? Should surely be the way going forward, 5 seconds and you're done.

I don't work for Ionity but in my experience, the rates charged by banks for unattended card acceptance are very high. I'm disappointed but not surprised that EC companies haven't installed them.

fricatus

Does anyone know the status of the other two locations, Gormanstown and Mayfield? Any visible works in progress?

How much is it for a charge ? for how long/kwh ? haven't been following this thread in a while.

Where are the chargers located ? I'm heading to Cork on Friday and will probably join the M8 at Ballacolla.

Kramer

Deleted User wrote: »

How much is it for a charge ?

€8.

Deleted User wrote: »

for how long/kwh ?

€8 per session, regardless of initial state of charge etc. 10% top up = €8.
Full charge on an iPace or ETron = €8.

Black_Knight

Deleted User wrote: »

How much is it for a charge ? for how long/kwh ? haven't been following this thread in a while.

Where are the chargers located ? I'm heading to Cork on Friday and will probably join the M8 at Ballacolla.

€8 no matter how much or how little you charge.
Only live one is at Cashel.

Kramer

Deleted User wrote: »

Where are the chargers located ?

https://goo.gl/maps/fgzzYLTE2DnUd7EGA

Kinda makes the rex seem even more attractive now but I can see the attraction to BEV owners.

Ioniq drivers should see a small speed boost now ?

8 Euros is a raw deal for smaller battery drivers but good for Tesla drivers , Koda etc.

unkel

You're a funny man, Mad_Lad

A raw deal for a charging network that actually enables people in EVs to confidently drive cross country way beyond the range of their cars, knowing they can reliably and quickly charge their car with no waiting time for just €8? Doesn't look like a raw deal to me. And that's coming from someone who owns the smallest battery that you can buy in any EV today.

Orebro

unkel wrote: »

You're a funny man, Mad_Lad

A raw deal for a charging network that actually enables people in EVs to confidently drive cross country way beyond the range of their cars, knowing they can reliably and quickly charge their car with no waiting time for just €8? Doesn't look like a raw deal to me. And that's coming from someone who owns the smallest battery that you can buy in any EV today.

Have to agree. I'd pay twice that rate for a fast reliable stress free journey.

Not funny , small battery v large battery same cost, makes no sense. Yes for BEV owners I can see where 8 Euro V queue and that's fine but still, same price for all......

liamog

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not funny , small battery v large battery same cost, makes no sense. Yes for BEV owners I can see where 8 Euro V queue and that's fine but still, same price for all......

The €8 is a promotional fee while they figure out the correct way to charge. If it helps, think of it as an €8 connection with free electricity.

n97 mini

At current prices that's equivalent cost-wise to about 5.5 litres of petrol. That's not a bad deal, especially if you've a bigger battery than probably a L24 (which can't use these anyway).

The auld Civic IMA does about 105km for €8 (at 5.3L/100km), but the Ioniq should do close to double.

unkel

Honestly I would pay €80 for a charge if there was a nationwide network of very fast reliable chargers with zero waiting times the few times a year I would use it. The rest of the year I'm paying €0.00 per km (charging from my solar panels) or €0.01 per km (charging at night rate). Overall still 80-90% cheaper than the most frugal diesel or "self charging" petrol ever made...

TOLLOT

Here’s a screen shot from charge session on Ionity Cashel over the weekend.
My Starting SOC was 30%, seems charge rate is 64 kW average until this point at least .
Bout 15 degrees at time of charge .
Car is Ioniq.
64 kw isn’t bad at all !

14.58 Kwh in 13 mins not bad at all . The warmer weather definitely helps with charging too. I've seen a big decrease in charge times with the i3. Might try this out over the weekend.

So how do you pay ?

ewj1978

get the app, setup an account and scan the machines barcode.

TOLLOT

I had a bit of trouble , took me 40 min plus to pay . See post above on Friday PM. Eventually got there by creating a PayPal account and using that . That said, likey others will not do what I did , I guess why I posted my experience. I was using BOI cards

Many public car parks in Cork have contactless , shame to see new and doubtless expensive equipment like this without a contactless option.
If you get stuck advise try as a guest in the app .

Sabre Man

Gorey seems to be under construction.

ELM327

Sabre Man wrote: »

Gorey seems to be under construction.

It is listed as "building" here
https://ionity.eu/en/where-and-how.html

Wonder if that's in the new services

liamog

The ionity tracker put it as under construction around 1 hour ago. Cashel was "under construction" for 127 days but that did involve the Christmas break.

https://ionity.evapi.de/#/

Zenith74

Could not find any planning application for one in Gorey (though I have no idea if planning is required for all of them), and on the original map of all the chargers going in across Europe, it didn't look like they had any in Wexford at all (of course this could have just been a rough guess, and the Cashel one wasn't too accurate on that map). Also no petrol stations around where that pin drop is on the map. Any chance it's a mistake and they were aiming for Gormanston on the map I wonder?

Either way, awesome that a second one is building wherever it is in Ireland!

unkel

Got to hand it to the Germans. Last year they said they'd have 9 Irish charging stations by the end of this year, and it looks like we're well on the way. Not sure how much trouble they have had along the way with planning permissions from local objectors though.

I wish someone would think about the M9 lol

Maybe in the garage around Kilcullen if it ever gets built .......

unkel

We need them on all the main motorways between Dublin and all other cities. M1, M4, M7, M8, M9, etc.

Yeah but the M9/N7 is poorly served at the moment.

D_BEAR

Ionity applied for planning on the N7 at kill a few weeks ago. Circle k stations 6 bays northbound and southbound planning number 19387 and 19379.

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah but the M9/N7 is poorly served at the moment.

All the motorways and many other national roads are poorly served with those silly single ESB chargers that are used / broken half the time

For full national coverage we would need at least about 30-40 of these stations, but I'll gladly take the 9 for now. Can't wait to give the first one a go.

D_BEAR

D_BEAR wrote: »

Ionity applied for planning on the N7 at kill a few weeks ago. Circle k stations 6 bays northbound and southbound planning number 19387 and 19379.

That would be good, M9/N7 looks like one of the worse served for EV's.