Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

UID0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485714#Comment_119485714

The terms and conditions say that if the t&cs are revised, then the revised t&cs apply to the application. If the charger is going to be installed before the end of August, get it installed and submit the paperwork immediately.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119485547#Comment_119485547

The SEAI rules say that

From September 2022 the EV Home Charger Grant Scheme will only support smart chargers registered on Triple E. 

Currently, there is only one charger (Ohme Home Pro) that is registered as grant eligible. There are other chargers registered on Triple E, but they don't have the extra qualification data on their entries. This may change in the next two weeks.

The criteria are (https://www.seai.ie/publications/Electric_Vehicles_and_Associated_Charging_Equipment.pdf):

The charger must be able to receive, send, and process information, and react to it by adjusting the rate of charging or discharging.

The charger must be capable of adjusting its operation based on data from an external device such as a power meter.

The charger must be able to monitor, record and transmit energy consumption.

The charger must be capable of displaying the status of charging equipment on the equipment itself through either LIGHTS, LEDs, DISPLAY or MIXTURE.

The charger must inhibit Mode 1 and Mode 2 charging.

The charger must have under-voltage and over-voltage cut-out protection.

The charger must be configured from factory to have a fail-safe mode when the communication with external source breaks down.

Operating manual demonstrating all the capabilities listed here must be available.

IP Rating 44 to 69.

...Ghost...

Looking for input from the better informed. Trying to work out the best charging solution without upgrading tails. I thought I had 16mm^2 tails, but I checked and it looks like they are 10mm^2. Currently using Rolec dumb charger to charge 24 Leaf (so type 1 charger). Taking delivery of Model 3 next month, so getting type 2 charger installed too (most likely hypervolt 2.0). Want to keep the Rolec for convenience and have the new charger installed beside it. Rolec is on priority switch with electric shower.

I know the Hypervolt 2.0 has load balancing, but I would need to run a new cable from the CU under normal circumstances. I just had an idea; what if I install a 3 position rotary switch? That way, only 1 charger can be powered at any one time, or both powered off. I could then use the existing cable run to run both chargers. Thoughts, issues, downfalls, or all good?

Looking here => https://ie.rs-online.com/web/p/cam-switches/2637020?cm_mmc=IE-PLA-DS3A-_-google-_-CSS_IE_EN_Switches_Whoop_HI-_-(IE:Whoop!)+Cam+Switches-_-2637020&matchtype=&aud-772940707919:pla-301254456891&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxveXBhDDARIsAI0Q0x14vEkt5xuuNC3Z1zbyOZXUc24RLKQeTNt5kUpgdQH2xtHIqkbtBfQaAl-EEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

Fingleberries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119472285#Comment_119472285

That's good to know - they just notified me that payment is incoming (I like those sorts of mails after the summer hols 😀)

Felexicon

Each external fixed appliance needs it's own circuit. You also won't get a reputable installer to put in a charger on 10sq tails.

If you are only using 1 charger at a time would an untethered not be a better option?

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119491886#Comment_119491886

The convenience of tethered is something i'm not willing to give up. When the boot is full of baby paraphernalia and it's pouring rain, tethered pays for itself.

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495596#Comment_119495596

Buy an extra cable and leave it beside the charger.

Alkers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495596#Comment_119495596

You can leave an untethered charger plugged in the whole time and it's basically the same?

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495711#Comment_119495711

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119495738#Comment_119495738

I will have type 1 and 2, so would have to keep switching the cables. While I have a 24 Leaf, I will have 2 chargers

KilOit

Soon to have an EV in about 4 weeks also have 2nd car that's a mild hybrid. My predicament is whether to get a home charger or stay with a granny charger.

Car is rated 64kw so about 460km on a charge, I drive very little but it will be the main run-around car, a full charge would get us about 1- 1.5 weeks worth of travel, I use an e-scooter a good bit as well which I'll continue to use.

so home charger or not on people who have been using an EV a good while?

Mike2006

One step closer to being ready for my Model 3…

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498282#Comment_119498282

I hate when they install them sideways

LeeroyJ.

Very clean setup. I also got mine installed in prep for M3 delivery this week 😁

meercat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498557#Comment_119498557

Did they take the power from the meter box. It’s not permitted

shanec1928

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498634#Comment_119498634

It is

LeeroyJ.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498557#Comment_119498557

It was a certified installer with very good reviews so I hope its installed correctly.

"Can the charger be installed from a meter box outside, or does it have to be connected to the fuse-board inside?

Yes, it is now permissible to connect an EV charge point at your meter cabinet. The ideal connection point for the Electric Vehicle charge points will always be the internal fuse board, this amendment to the rules will provide a solution for situations where it is difficult or impossible to run cables back to the main internal fuse board."

https://www.randridgetechnologies.ie/f-a-q

meercat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498795#Comment_119498795

sen A photo

Page 17 of this document details the requirements

180x225 in the bottom right of cabinet is the only space permitted generally this is too small for the requirements

https://safeelectric.ie/contractors/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/04/April2022NewsletterSafeElec-Final.pdf

slave1

...and we wonder why folk don't post pics......

meercat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498915#Comment_119498915

Page 17 deals with this.

the first line specifically

https://safeelectric.ie/contractors/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/04/April2022NewsletterSafeElec-Final.pdf

DaveyDave

Finally got a charger fit today, untethered EO Mini Pro. Because I have parking spaces a 5m cable will be slightly too short of where the car will be parked.

Is there anything I need to look out for if getting a 10m cable? Assuming it would just be type 2 to type 2. Is there any websites worth looking at or is one from Mick's Garage for €280 a normal price? In the interest of keeping costs down is an extension a thing?

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119508034#Comment_119508034

You normally have an option of getting a longer tethered cable.

MojoMaker

Got a Wallbox Pulsar Plus put in by Ecoplex last week for €1150. From initial contact to charger on the wall was 5 days.

No hidden charges or extras and install was 45 mins.

Pleasantly surprised!

cloughy

Hi there

I missed the announcement that you can now get EV grant whether you have an EV or not. Getting solar panels installed next month, but didn't include work for EV charger as don't have an EV as yet, but now thinking adding it to the order.

Is this a wise thing to do, and also do I need to apply for EV charger grant now, and what exactly is difference between smart charging unit as opposed to another unit, as I see post Sept the grant is only got smart charging units, so whats the difference and cost implications.

I am also due to get dome home renovations in the next month, including electrical work, from different contractor to EV panel installer, so any benefit getting one over the other to fo the EV charger install, from a cost perspective,

Thanks in advance, and apologies for the questions, but as nearly September don't want to miss out and incurr extra cost if registering now for grant is the thing to do, if significant difference in a smart charging unit compared to bog standard one.

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119498190#Comment_119498190

Definitely get a home charger, trying to put the guts of 60 Kw into a battery using a granny cable would drive you stone crazy 🤬

pron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509077#Comment_119509077

Not. Jealous. At. All

My quote from 'em (despite a rewire only 10 years ago) ran to €2500 and took over a month and lots of chasing them ... Ah well - more phonecalls

pron

If you're getting all the electrical work done anyway .. get the wiring put in for a charger and brought to a location you like

A Zappi (the more popular one for Solar integration, smart too) retails for about a grand new including VAT, (edit - add URL: https://myenergi.ie/product/zappi/# ) your sparks can likely pick it up a little cheaper at trade price and mount it.

Apply for the grant first (only takes a few minutes online, usually an hour or three for the approval to land, and you have 6 months to be complete, and apply for the payment)

Simple really - and absolutely a good futureproofing option.

Mike2006

I think that it would be good forward planning to get one installed if you are anyway likely to get an EV in the near future (within 3 to 5 yrs).

Especially with PV panels, you could charge your car for free some of the time.

Smart V Non-smart: Difference is the charger itself and the cost difference is probably in the order of €400-500 for the smart charger.

Mike

Old Jim

Emailed SEAI asking about the September cutoff dates for Smart/standard chargers. Below is the response. Looks like date has changed to Jan 1st. to give time to register smart products and sell off existing stock

SEAI will be introducing the use of a Smart Charger product list to its EV Home Charger grant scheme from the upcoming 1st September onwards.

To smooth this change over, we have decided to introduce a transition phase for the implementation of the Smart Charger product list. From 1st September to 31st December inclusive, applicants applying online will be able to choose a registered Smart Charger product or choose “other” if their product is not yet registered. This will allow time for product suppliers to continue to register their Smart Charger products but it will also allow suppliers time to sell down any existing stocks of older EV Chargers which meet current product standards but will fail to meet the new Smart Charger product criteria as outlined on the Triple E register for grant eligible charger products.

Then from 1st January 2023, the “other” category will be removed and from that date forward, only Triple E registered (ie those under category “SEAI Grants Electric Vehicle Charging Equipment”) Smart Charger products will be available for selection by consumers at application stage and eligible for grant support under the EV Home Charger grant scheme.

zg3409

Grant is 600 and typical cost of zappi all in is 1300 so it will cost you 700 over grant. The zappi is important for solar compatibility. However the plastics on it will change colour from white to yellow and the screen might age. The other side is the grant may be reduced to zero in a few years.

Just beware you need a lot of solar panels to charge a car and car needs to be home 10am-2pm to fill up from sun. You probably should be aiming for a 7kW panel system if you intend filling the car, and even then it may take multiple days to fill car and this may be possible only during summer months. That said filling car back up us a great way to use up excess solar energy.

KilOit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509077#Comment_119509077

Is it possible to just buy that charger on Amazon and get them to install it?

pron

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511885#Comment_119511885

You could:

https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Wallbox-charging-Protection-Bluetooth-connectivity-Black/dp/B089KSNNYD

€570 or so ... and whatever the install sets you back :)