Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

KCross

Cyrus wrote: »

Yep it’s all in for the quoted price I posted pics of mine and the other poster did a great post detailing exactly what’s included

But if you want tethered that’s a consideration

And what did it cost relative to a Zappi. Not much different I bet?

Looking at midsummer.ie the EO minis seem to be more expensive than Zappi? So, to answer your original question it looks like Zappi won’t be more expensive. Much the same.

Cyrus

KCross wrote: »

And what did it cost relative to a Zappi. Not much different I bet?

Looking at midsummer.ie the EO minis seem to be more expensive than Zappi? So, to answer your original question it looks like Zappi won’t be more expensive. Much the same.

a lot less im guessing, an untethered zappi is 930 before installation, the eo smart home installed is 1099, unless you are getting a very cheap install im guessing the EO will be a few hundred cheaper.

KCross

Cyrus wrote: »

a lot less im guessing, an untethered zappi is 930 before installation, the eo smart home installed is 1099, unless you are getting a very cheap install im guessing the EO will be a few hundred cheaper.

Go back a page... rx8 got a quote for €1k for a Zappi installed all in so €400 nett after grant.

Not sure myself how it’s possible but the deals do seem to be out there.

There isn’t much between the two units in price, just negotiate and get a decent electrician who isnot screwing you for the grant.

Cyrus

KCross wrote: »

Go back a page... rx8 got a quote for €1k for a Zappi installed all in so €400 nett after grant.

Not sure myself how it’s possible but the deals do seem to be out there.

There isn’t much between the two units in price, just negotiate and get a decent electrician who isnot screwing you for the grant.

i saw that but thats an anomoly to be fair, he even said it might be a favour as he sent a lot of business their way, and does it include vat etc,

point is the eo is available to everyone at 1099, the zappi is most likely going to cost 1500-1600 (at least thats what i was quoted)

ustari

Hi all,

Looking at potentially purchasing a 16/17 XC90 hybrid. The electric functionality doesn't seem great on it in terms of distance but would suit me for the majority of journeys and it is cheaper to import due to lower VRT.

I have that using a normal 13A socket it takes 7 hours or so to charger.

Would be willing to install a charger for the long term especially with the grant.

Some questions:
Are there tethered chargers that people would recommend that includes or allows for 2 charging cables? Wife's current car is diesel but can see her next being at least hybrid so perhaps opportunity to future proof our home somewhat for that. Would probably need to 6 or 7 metres (depending on location of charge point on car).
There is an existing external socket on the house that is IP66, would this make the install any easier?

We are a private residence so could install where we want but think the existing socket location would work relatively well.

Thank you.

Felexicon

ustari wrote: »

Hi all,

Looking at potentially purchasing a 16/17 XC90 hybrid. The electric functionality doesn't seem great on it in terms of distance but would suit me for the majority of journeys and it is cheaper to import due to lower VRT.

I have that using a normal 13A socket it takes 7 hours or so to charger.

Would be willing to install a charger for the long term especially with the grant.

Some questions:
Are there tethered chargers that people would recommend that includes or allows for 2 charging cables? Wife's current car is diesel but can see her next being at least hybrid so perhaps opportunity to future proof our home somewhat for that. Would probably need to 6 or 7 metres (depending on location of charge point on car).
There is an existing external socket on the house that is IP66, would this make the install any easier?

We are a private residence so could install where we want but think the existing socket location would work relatively well.

Thank you.

There are no tethered or untethered home units that will charge 2 cars at once.
If you wanted future proofing in this regard make sure the unit you install now can link with another unit and load balance between the 2.

Having the external socket is not any advantage unfortunately. You will need minimum of 6mm cable ran to charge point location

Sheep Shagger

Today is install day, the KN guy arrived about an hour and a half ago and is drilling away downstairs.

They do not have any white boxes despite Electric Ireland saying otherwise when I ordered it about a month ago. Grey or black which doesn't make a load of difference i guess given it will be tucked around the corner at the front of the house (am going untethered). He said there's the biege isolator thing too.

Cona

Lads, how flexible are KN when it comes to the cable routing? I am apprehensive of the install due to this. I cant stand the site of trunking so I would have to insist on a tidy job with a hidden cable... CU is in hallway in middle of house. Charger point would be at the side entrance of house.

There are two potential routes for me that I see:
1: Run the cable from CU up to bedroom under the floorboards and from there drill out and run cable down external wall to chargepoint.

2: Run cable out to front door where there is a light and run the cable inside the soffit and out close to the chargepoint.

Anyone see any issues with this and how flexible KN will be when deciding this?

Cyrus

Cona wrote: »

Lads, how flexible are KN when it comes to the cable routing? I am apprehensive of the install due to this. I cant stand the site of trunking so I would have to insist on a tidy job with a hidden cable... CU is in hallway in middle of house. Charger point would be at the side entrance of house.

There are two potential routes for me that I see:
1: Run the cable from CU up to bedroom under the floorboards and from there drill out and run cable down external wall to chargepoint.

2: Run cable out to front door where there is a light and run the cable inside the soffit and out close to the chargepoint.

Anyone see any issues with this and how flexible KN will be when deciding this?

in my case they did it as i asked but it cost extra, so really you will have to be prepared for your first visit to be a survey and then they will reprice and come back,

i dont think they will lift floorboards though, but depends on who you get.

slave1

Run under floorboards?
Doubt the will lift any carpet never mind floorboards, skirting etc will need to come off first to avoid breaking the floorboards, and do your joists run parallel to the cable "run"?
Be prepared for them wanting to get the cable outside as quickly as possible in as short a run as possible

Cona

slave1 wrote: »

Run under floorboards?
Doubt the will lift any carpet never mind floorboards, skirting etc will need to come off first to avoid breaking the floorboards, and do your joists run parallel to the cable "run"?
Be prepared for them wanting to get the cable outside as quickly as possible in as short a run as possible

Sorry should have clarified that I would be willing to do the work of removing skirting board, lifting carpet and floorboards. Yes, the joists are running parralel...

Realistically, I would just want them to run the feed of cable and drill the hole out external wall..

Felexicon

Cona wrote: »

Sorry should have clarified that I would be willing to do the work of removing skirting board, lifting carpet and floorboards. Yes, the joists are running parralel...

Realistically, I would just want them to run the feed of cable and drill the hole out external wall..

If you are doing that work there should be no extra cost apart from extra cable needed by running it through that route.

slave1

Or get them to spec the cable and run it yourself, you will take your time and be much more concerned with how it is left.
I got and ran all my cabling except for a single hole that Nigel Daly needed to drill and they made a pigs ear of it and left it completely exposed and caused vermin infestation.
If you want it done right then there's only one way.

finneys13

Just to double check, whenever I get my €600 from the SEAI (been waiting since April, emails have been sent), I can transfer my car registration address to a second residental property in my name and reapply for the grant again?

Sheep Shagger

finneys13 wrote: »

Just to double check, whenever I get my €600 from the SEAI (been waiting since April, emails have been sent), I can transfer my car registration address to a second residental property in my name and reapply for the grant again?

Pretty sure you can only get one grant per MPRN number at a property.

Guy has been here most of the day and the install won't be finished until the morning.

finneys13

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Pretty sure you can only get one grant per MPRN number at a property.

Guy has been here most of the day and the install won't be finished until the morning.

It has a different MPRN

Felexicon

slave1 wrote: »

Or get them to spec the cable and run it yourself, you will take your time and be much more concerned with how it is left.
I got and ran all my cabling except for a single hole that Nigel Daly needed to drill and they made a pigs ear of it and left it completely exposed and caused vermin infestation.
If you want it done right then there's only one way.

I wouldn't tar everyone with the same brush after one install gone wrong.

My main advice to anyone would be, when the installer arrives offer a cup of tea and take 10 or 15 minutes going through exactly how you want it run.
There is nothing worse than arriving at a house, you tell them how you will install it, they say grand, then 2 hours later they're behind you saying "would you not have brought it through over there"

zg3409

finneys13 wrote: »

It has a different MPRN

You need to include a photo of the car with the reg showing, I suspect the same car getting the grant twice might be suspicious. You may also have insurance/legal issues if car is not registered to the address where it is normally kept. Would the owner surname be the same?

I would check the small print and any insurance or if penalty points were posted out to the registered address and you never got the letter in time.

If that works we could all chip in for a boards.ie EV we buy for a month and all claim the grant at every address we can think of using the same car passed around.

Sheep Shagger

Need to ask the KN guy coming back today to complete the install if the EO Mini plus (Electric Ireland deal) to check it has load balancing as frkm.lookong back at pages 155 and 156 of the thread it doesn't look as though you can tell visually.

While we don't need load balancing now you never know about the future.

Is there any other way of knowing if it has it or not?

Cyrus

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Need to ask the KN guy coming back today to complete the install if the EO Mini plus (Electric Ireland deal) to check it has load balancing as frkm.lookong back at pages 155 and 156 of the thread it doesn't look as though you can tell visually.

While we don't need load balancing now you never know about the future.

Is there any other way of knowing if it has it or not?

If you have the smart hub installed beside your fuse board you have it if you don’t you don’t

Cyrus

Cyrus wrote: »

This is my install for anyone interested, KN OBO Electric Ireland, EO Smart home.


Smart hub beside the fuse board (and underneath the alarm gubbins)



View from the front of the house

This lad

Sheep Shagger

Cyrus wrote: »

This lad

That covers the 'smart' and load balancing?

There is a identical box being fitted similar to yours in our laundry under the power box.

Cyrus

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

That covers the 'smart' and load balancing?

There is a identical box being fitted similar to yours in our laundry under the power box.

yes, the charger itself is dumb effectively, this makes it smart :pac: ish

basically if you are paying 1099 thats what you bought.

Sheep Shagger

Cyrus wrote: »

yes, the charger itself is dumb effectively, this makes it smart :pac: ish

basically if you are paying 1099 thats what you bought.

really dumb question- does yours have load balancing?

Cyrus

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

really dumb question- does yours have load balancing?

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OO7FITZY

What are the pros on cons on zappi charger Vs EO mini smart home as both seem to deliver load balancing, PV integration and app support.

Most of what I've read list the zappi as the preferred option, but seems to be a bit more involved in getting one installed as you have to arrange a specialist company or electrician in the know to install Vs electric Ireland on the EO mini smart home

I will install PV in the future, so don't want to start off on the wrong foot with a less than ideal home charger that may need to be changed in the future

thoughts?

KCross

OO7FITZY wrote: »

Most of what I've read list the zappi as the preferred option, but seems to be a bit more involved in getting one installed as you have to arrange a specialist company or electrician in the know to install Vs electric Ireland on the EO mini smart home

No specialist required for either. A registered electrician is all you need if you plan to utilise the grant.

You also need to decide if you want tethered or untethered. Untethered looks neater but could be a pain if you are charging multiple times a week. I believe the EO only comes untethered. Zappi can be either.

Greenbin

Hello all.
Been following this and EV thread for a while now but this is first post.
Have the driveway dug up to install cables for other reasons but am going to lay cable to feed charge point that hopefully will come in the next few months.10 sq recommended by electrician. Will prob install zappi charger as hoping to install Solar PV soon. Charger will go on boundary wall rather than house wall for aesthetic and ease of use reasons.
My question is do I need to run a Cat 5 cable to the zappi? Have seen comments here about that but not sure what to do. Thanks!

mp3guy

Greenbin wrote: »

Hello all.
Been following this and EV thread for a while now but this is first post.
Have the driveway dug up to install cables for other reasons but am going to lay cable to feed charge point that hopefully will come in the next few months.10 sq recommended by electrician. Will prob install zappi charger as hoping to install Solar PV soon. Charger will go on boundary wall rather than house wall for aesthetic and ease of use reasons.
My question is do I need to run a Cat 5 cable to the zappi? Have seen comments here about that but not sure what to do. Thanks!

Maybe you can just run some ducting that looks neat enough so whatever extra cables it might need can be catered for?

Sheep Shagger

All sorted and installed (the EO Smart Mini), a couple of quick questions...

Can't get the app working, it downloaded but isn't saying the carcis charging when it is. The play store has poor reviews for the app (the blue one) and installee said it cam be temperamental. There is a white app, is that any better?

And another dumb question, what is to stop someone from plugging in to charge while you are not home.