Funny job figures

Ajsoprano

There’s a bunch of lads doing dry lining (slabbing) on a site I’m working on in Dublin City Centre. They are foreign (Russian I think) living in Galway. They were telling me how rough they had it getting picked up in Galway on a Monday morning at 4 am while eating a cold can of also beans. I said the money must be great to be going through that hardship. They stay in a hostel till Friday and get to go home for the weekend. They said no it was a social welfare scheme where they train for a year to be a slabber. I nearly spat out my breakfast role. Later one of them approached me asking if my company had work and telling me he was skilled enough to do the work I was doing but was finding it hard to find anything. He had no Irish trade papers. Is this a thing now? If the Russians are working for free to learn to be a slabber our children will be doing the same in five years. What are slabber a going to work at when they are applying for jobs and the slabbing king of Galway has 40 Russian lads bussing around the country for free.
These people are not in the unemployed figures because they are in training.

El Weirdo

_Brian

Governments have been using “employment schemes” and “training schemes” to massage the unemployed figures for a long time.
They fill these with people of the long term unemployed lists so as to reduce this figure as much as possible.

Donald Trump

In Mother Russia, works slabs you


I'm adding the above great anecdote to the next version of The Memo!

Donald Trump

Ajsoprano wrote: »

They are foreign (Russian I think) living in Galway.

Probably not Russians atall.
More than likely just from the Gaeltacht
That's Irish they are speaking

frag420

What did you have in your breakfast roll OP?

koumi

also beans

Ajsoprano

Donald Trump wrote: »

In Mother Russia, works slabs you


I'm adding the above great anecdote to the next version of The Memo!

I know it’s an anctedote but I’m probably not allowed name the company. Do such schemes exist. I know a few younger lads are working here in clubs and parks in back to work schemes but I didn’t know it was private companies. No offense to slabbers but a year training course in the other end of a country for your social welfare is a bit much to train as one. Especially when there will be thousands of Russian lads all qualified at it in a years time.

Sleeper12

Doesn't sound legitimate tbh

Kermit.de.frog

Ajsoprano wrote: »

There’s a bunch of lads doing dry lining (slabbing) on a site I’m working on in Dublin City Centre. They are foreign (Russian I think) living in Galway. They were telling me how rough they had it getting picked up in Galway on a Monday morning at 4 am while eating a cold can of also beans. I said the money must be great to be going through that hardship. They stay in a hostel till Friday and get to go home for the weekend. They said no it was a social welfare scheme where they train for a year to be a slabber. I nearly spat out my breakfast role. Later one of them approached me asking if my company had work and telling me he was skilled enough to do the work I was doing but was finding it hard to find anything. He had no Irish trade papers. Is this a thing now? If the Russians are working for free to learn to be a slabber our children will be doing the same in five years. What are slabber a going to work at when they are applying for jobs and the slabbing king of Galway has 40 Russian lads bussing around the country for free.
These people are not in the unemployed figures because they are in training.

A couple of lines do best in AH OP.

Your's is just a little too intricate for the clientele i'm afraid.

pilly

Yeah, I think there's a communication difficulty going on here OP.

Ajsoprano

pilly wrote: »

Yeah, I think there's a communication difficulty going on here OP.

Maybe or maybe they are bull****ting me. He had a good knowledge of the skills needed for my job though and didn’t seem to be the regular dole scrounger stereotype. Maybe I should have asked this in a Galway dole forum to find the name of the scheme they said it’s not called jobbridge.

ohnonotgmail

how would a russian be eligible for social welfare?

Ajsoprano

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how would a russian be eligible for social welfare?

I’d imagine they are here a longtime. Or from a more eu country. I just assumed they were Russian because I heard one of them say dah a few times. They said they were from Galway and I didn’t want to be that guy that says yeah but where are you really from?

Noveight

Cyka blyat!

Ajsoprano

Noveight wrote: »

Cyka blyat!

Had to look that one up on first glance I thought it said clickbait. Never noticed it said onsite.

Ajsoprano

I guess this site doesn’t get much Galway social welfare user traffic.

dxhound2005

Ajsoprano wrote: »

I guess this site doesn’t get much Galway social welfare user traffic.

Which scheme do you think they are on. You can see all the numbers on the Acitvation Programmes table.

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/lr/liveregisterjanuary2018/

Cheerful Spring

Review the employment numbers in 2007, only 170,000 people are out of work. This is when the economy was booming. If you look at the rate when the recession was biting hard 2011 the number unemployed jumped to 457,000 thousand. An increase in unemployed of 287,000.

Roll on 2018. The number is 276,000 on the live register + 61,000 on job schemes or activation programs.

337,000 thousand are actively still unemployed.

So the reality is 167,000 thousand people have never returned to work since the recession started. We know this because we can look at the live register figures from 2007.

Country in 7 years has only added 120,000 new jobs in every sector of the economy.

Ajsoprano

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Review the employment numbers in 2007, only 170,000 people are out of work. This is when the economy was booming. If you look at the rate when the recession was biting hard 2011 the number unemployed jumped to 457,000 thousand. An increase in unemployed of 287,000.

Roll on 2018. The number is 276,000 on the live register + 61,000 on job schemes or activation programs.

337,000 thousand are actively still unemployed.

So the reality is 167,000 thousand people have never returned to work since the recession started. We know this because we can look at the live register figures from 2007.

Country in 7 years has only added 120,000 new jobs in every sector of the economy.

Jesus that serious number of job schemes. I thought they weren’t building houses too even though they say they are. All building sites going in Dublin city seem to be hotels.

dxhound2005

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Jesus that serious number of job schemes. I thought they weren’t building houses too even though they say they are. All building sites going in Dublin city seem to be hotels.

If you look at the numbers, a lot of them are back to education or training schemes. That makes them no different to university students who get grants. In fact some people at university are able to keep their social welfare payment while studying certain courses.

Cheerful Spring

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Jesus that serious number of job schemes. I thought they weren’t building houses too even though they say they are. All building sites going in Dublin city seem to be hotels.

The men who you met are likely EU citizens. They are likely Polish, Latvian or from Lithuania. I think people should work for welfare payment and, I also think the payment should be fair if they working long hours. The government though is not revealing the true number of unemployed in this country.

Ajsoprano

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you look at the numbers, a lot of them are back to education or training schemes. That makes them no different to university students who get grants. In fact some people at university are able to keep their social welfare payment while studying certain courses.

Ah come on they are the same things you’d do on community service. I thought we were approaching full employment again until I asked about when the lads told me they were on a scheme.
It’s like the wire tv show with all the number fiddling. Garda numbers job numbers house build numbers. Now I really believe lads are being bussed to Dublin to work in semi skilled jobs for a pittance. Who is profiting from all this?
Not the average voter anyway.

dxhound2005

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The men who you met are likely EU citizens. They are likely Polish, Latvian or from Lithuania. I think people should work for welfare payment and, I also think the payment should be fair if they working long hours. The government though is not revealing the true number of unemployed in this country.

The numbers are published every month by the CSO. If they are wrong what are the true numbers, and where did you get them from?

Ajsoprano

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The men who you met are likely EU citizens. They are likely Polish, Latvian or from Lithuania. I think people should work for welfare payment and, I also think the payment should be fair if they working long hours. The government though is not revealing the true number of unemployed in this country.

Completely agree a real job for a wage.

Cheerful Spring

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The numbers are published every month by the CSO. If they are wrong what are the true numbers, and where did you get them from?

Those fellas are likely included in 61,000 figure. We have little information to work with what job scheme those boys are on. Is it part-time or full-time training on the site? What payment do they get? Can OP fill us in maybe?

Ajsoprano

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Those fellas are likely included in 61,000 figure. We have little information to work with what job scheme those boys are on. Is it part-time or full-time training on the site? What payment do they get? Can OP fill us in maybe?

I will try get more info tomorrow

dxhound2005

Ajsoprano wrote: »

I will try get more info tomorrow

Tell them to stay in Dublin at the weekend. It is hardly worth their while to go to Galway and have to be up at 4 oclock on Monday morning to get back to Dublin. Plus it must be expensive keeping accommodation in Galway just to use at the weekend.

Ajsoprano

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Tell them to stay in Dublin at the weekend. It is hardly worth their while to go to Galway and have to be up at 4 oclock on Monday morning to get back to Dublin. Plus it must be expensive keeping accommodation in Galway just to use at the weekend.

Could have kids in school. Families. How’s they find somewheee to rent in Dublin?

dxhound2005

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Could have kids in school. Families. How’s they find somewheee to rent in Dublin?

Stay in the places they stay during the week.

Outkast_IRE

The construction industry is in a sorry state at the minute but it suits some of the big builders cause it's way easier to hire 10 small scale subbies and screw them over rather than one large guy who may have the deep pockets to battle them in the courts when they don't pay or negotiate down the contract after the fact.

I am in the consultant engineering game and the way that the main contractors/builders are operating is only going to screw themselves over in the long run. No wonder nobody is taking up carpentry, block laying or plastering you end up working for below minimum wage.

The industry is in dire need of a strong union

Ajsoprano

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Stay in the places they stay during the week.

That’s a pretty heartless way of looking at things. In your future view of the world the average semi skilled worker should, after training for a year should live in a hostel with his family and 20 other lads?

ToddyDoody

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Country in 7 years has only added 120,000 new jobs in every sector of the economy.

A great success story. So you know who to vote for in the next general erection.

wexie

Ajsoprano wrote: »

on a Monday morning at 4 am while eating a cold can of also beans.

What are also beans?

Ajsoprano

wexie wrote: »

What are also beans?

Aldi beans sorry I’m new here and not used to using my phone for internet speak, sometimes it predictive texts my post.

wexie

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Aldi beans sorry I’m new here and not used to using my phone for internet speak, sometimes it predictive texts my post.

Don't apologize dude, was a bad and misplaced joke

0byme75341jo28

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

The construction industry is in a sorry state at the minute but it suits some of the big builders cause it's way easier to hire 10 small scale subbies and screw them over rather than one large guy who may have the deep pockets to battle them in the courts when they don't pay or negotiate down the contract after the fact.

I am in the consultant engineering game and the way that the main contractors/builders are operating is only going to screw themselves over in the long run. No wonder nobody is taking up carpentry, block laying or plastering you end up working for below minimum wage.

The industry is in dire need of a strong union

So many trades could do with a responsible union. Unfortunately society appears to be going in the opposite direction and the unions we have are a bunch of impotent money grabbers.

It's a shame "union" has become a dirty word. Worker's rights are arguably more important now than ever.

dxhound2005

So many aspects of this story are beyond my understanding. Why does Social Welfare take 40 residents of Galway all the way to Dublin every Monday morning at 4 am to train them on building sites during the week? And take them back to Galway on Friday evening? Lots of other questions.

But whatever the reason there is no need for them to eat cold beans on Mondays at 3.30 am. They could heat the beans, or have some other food.

Subcomandante Marcos

_Brian wrote: »

Governments have been using “employment schemes” and “training schemes” to massage the unemployed figures for a long time.
They fill these with people of the long term unemployed lists so as to reduce this figure as much as possible.

It also gives employers practically free labour and means losses of genuine good paying jobs. It's a total farce.

Ajsoprano

dxhound2005 wrote: »

So many aspects of this story are beyond my understanding. Why does Social Welfare take 40 residents of Galway all the way to Dublin every Monday morning at 4 am to train them on building sites during the week? And take them back to Galway on Friday evening? Lots of other questions.

But whatever the reason there is no need for them to eat cold beans on Mondays at 3.30 am. They could heat the beans, or have some other food.

He was eating the cold beans on his lunch break at 10 am when I was talking to him.

Bob_Marley

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

The construction industry is in a sorry state at the minute

It's a gangsters dream paradise, reems of regulations but effectively zero enforcement of said regulations. Makes it utterly impossible for anyone who's legit and wants to comply with the regs to compete. - But don't worry Mr Ordinary Taxpayer will pick up the bill every time the scandals hit.

dxhound2005

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It also gives employers practically free labour and means losses of genuine good paying jobs. It's a total farce.

At least the 61,000 on the schemes are getting involved in some activity, unlike the much higher number who receive an unemployment payment, but do not have to leave their house. 21,000 are in Community Employment schemes about which I know very little. Are they actually displacing real jobs? Another 16,000 are on back to education and training schemes, which I would regard as the equivalent of third level education. University students are not counted as unemployed.

Overall the impact on the jobs market is minimal. The schemes were even bigger back when we had hundreds of thousands of foreign workers coming here to fill job vacancies. How can that be explained?

Ajsoprano

dxhound2005 wrote: »

At least the 61,000 on the schemes are getting involved in some activity, unlike the much higher number who receive an unemployment payment, but do not have to leave their house. 21,000 are in Community Employment schemes about which I know very little. Are they actually displacing real jobs? Another 16,000 are on back to education and training schemes, which I would regard as the equivalent of third level education. University students are not counted as unemployed.

Overall the impact on the jobs market is minimal. The schemes were even bigger back when we had hundreds of thousands of foreign workers coming here to fill job vacancies. How can that be explained?

These schemes are grand says the man who believes you should live in a hostel with your family up the other end of the country with 40 other unemployed people because you lost your job?

Ordinary man

Funnily enough i've seen ads for apprentice ceiling fixers/slabbers lately. Even though it's not recognised as a trade with papers. They could advertise as trainees but then would have to pay minimum rates. The construction game is getting worse and cowboys are definately on the rise

Mrs OBumble

fyi, Russian is the language which many Eastern Europeans have in common. So Poles use it to talk to Latvians etc. The OP may well have been hearing Russian.

Ajsoprano

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

fyi, Russian is the language which many Eastern Europeans have in common. So Poles use it to talk to Latvians etc. The OP may well have been hearing Russian.

Everyday is a school day

tedpan

Wow, this thread is a joke

ToddyDoody

tedpan wrote: »

Wow, this thread is a joke

Retract that immediately.

Ajsoprano

It’s very possible it was some kind of European humour I don’t get.