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Which is the more competitive league, England or Spain

  • 08-02-2018 6:15pm
    #1
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    It’s been debated to death here about whether the EPL or La Liga is the better league. And it usually ends up being said that the EPL is more “competitive” because La Liga only has Real and Barca and the others are also-rans and thus the EPL is better.

    So I decided to look at both leagues and try and determine which is the more competitive.

    To determine competitiveness I looked at each league from 2010/2011 to 2016/2017 and compared the following points
    • At what stage is the first team mathematically eliminated from winning the league on points?
    • At what stage are 50% or more of the teams mathematically eliminated from winning the league on points?
    • At what stage does the league become a two horse race?
    • At which stage is the league won?

    I used http://www.worldfootball.net for data.
    Here are the outcomes

    EPL
    • The average round that the first teams(s) are eliminated was 26 (earliest was Rnd 24 in 2012/2013, latest was Rnd 28 in 2010/2011)
    • The average round that half or more teams are eliminated was 29 (earliest was Rnd 27 in 2012/2013, latest was Rnd 30 in 2010/2011 and 2015/2016)
    • The average round that it becomes a two horse race is 35 (earliest was Rnd 33 in 2012/2013, latest was Rnd 37 in 2013/2014)
    • The average round where the winner is confirmed is 36 (earliest was Rnd 34 in 2012/2013 and 2014/2015, latest was Rnd 38 in 2011)

    La Liga
    • The average round that the first teams(s) are eliminated was 24 (earliest was Rnd 23 in 2012/2013 and 2016/2017, latest was Rnd 24 in all the other seasons except the two mentioned)
    • The average round that half or more teams are eliminated was 27 (earliest was Rnd 26 in 2010/2011 and 2011/2012, latest was Rnd 28 in 2016/2017)
    • The average round that it becomes a two horse race is 34 (earliest was Rnd 30 in 2010/2011 and 2011/2012, latest was Rnd 37 in 2013/2014 and 2015/2016)
    • The average round where the winner is confirmed is 37 (earliest was Rnd 35 in 2012/2013, latest was Rnd 38 in 2013/2014 and 2015/2016)

    The EPL seems to hold on to more of the teams for longer, the first teams eliminated in La Liga are eliminated 2 rounds before the EPL, and half are gone two rounds before the EPL lose half .

    But that tightens when it comes to the end of the season, there is only a one round gap between when La Liga goes down to two and when EPL goes down to two and the same gap when each is won.

    It must be noted that there is a difference in Spain from 2012 onward

    In 2010/2011 there were only 4 teams left from Round 27 onward
    In 2011/2012 there were only 3 teams left from Round 27 onwards
    By 2016/2017 there were 4 teams left from Round 31 onward, that’s a whole month later.

    Does anyone know when Spain changed it TV rights from individual teams to the league collectively as in England because it looks like it became more competitive post 2012


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  • #2
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Does anyone know when Spain changed it TV rights from individual teams to the league collectively as in England because it looks like it became more competitive post 2012

    Seems to have started in 2015, supposedly ahead of schedule. I found this ESPN article:
    Barcelona and Real Madrid both received €140 million in TV money during the 2015-16 season as La Liga began to move towards a more equal revenue-sharing model.

    The figures, published in AS, show that Spain's professional clubs shared a total of €1.2 billion from audio-visual rights, which represents an increase of almost €400m on the previous season.

    Revenue from outside Spain totalled €622m, compared to €615m from within the country.

    Mediapro, which sells on international rights, received €93m for its role in helping to boost the overseas income. That figure exceeds the €69m received by Atletico Madrid, who were the third biggest earners among the clubs.

    A complicated formula is used for sharing out the revenues among the clubs, including results over the last five seasons and each club's "social weight."

    Although their share has fallen, Barca and Madrid did not receive any less money than in previous seasons given the increase to the overall total paid out across the division. The two clubs also received more than the Premier League's top earners, Arsenal, who made £101.952m (€131.997m) including prize money.

    Las Palmas received the least money for 2015-16 with €28m, up significantly from 12 months previously when Eibar were the lowest earners with €15m. The Premier League's lowest earners, Aston Villa, received substantially more, with £66.622m (€86.228m).

    The Primera Division figures were presented at an extraordinary general meeting in Vila-real on Friday, where LFP president Javier Tebas was to predict that the 2016-17 total revenues would reach €1.58 billion, according to AS.

    New legally binding legislation introduced by the Spanish government, with the aim of more equally sharing revenues among all clubs, does not officially come into force until the 2016-17 season.

    However, after long negotiations that took place when the 2015-16 campaign was already underway, it was agreed to broadly use the new rules ahead of schedule.

    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/spanish-primera-division/story/2885529/barcelona-and-real-madrid-made-140m-in-la-liga-tv-cash-in-2015-16

    The formula for sharing out revenue was something I wasn't aware of. "Social weight" of clubs seems like it could be a clever way to keep in place a hierarchy.


  • #3
    Rekop dog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,584 ✭✭✭Rekop dog


    Spain have had far more Europa league winners and teams making the latter stages of that comp than English ones. For me that signify's a league of greater depth.

    I find a lower half of the table game in la liga of higher quality on the eye than English ones but there's no actual measurable to compare them by.


  • #4
    Giggsy11
    Registered Users Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭Giggsy11


    Only thing that really should matter is what leagues You enjoy watching.

    Which league is best is determined by UEFA coefficient which isn't good way as it considers only performance in CL and Europa, so bottom clubs are left out.
    What league is more competitive? Who knows as for every answer there will be one more exception. For example, gap between first and second is used, in some leagues battle for 2nd is very intense and close. In some league 2nd to 10th are very close in points.

    Only thing that should matter is whether you enjoy watching the league.

    For example, bottom teams in PL are painful to watch for some, but for me even though there is lack of quality, I like the intensity and physical nature of it.


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