Huddersfield Town v Manchester United FA Cup- 5th Round Match Thread k/o 17:30 BT Spo

eagle eye

Agent Coulson wrote:

So whose lines do we trust the PL's, BT's, Sky's

I think the line at the front of the square are close enough to judge it and for me he was on, just on but imo he was fine.

Giggsy11

Agent Coulson wrote: »

No they said it wasn't a clear and obvious miss by the ref that's a different thing than not a pen.

Not sure about your feed, in mine they said VAR checked it.

Hotblack Desiato

AidoEirE wrote: »

His hand is offside apprantly. If your running full speed your hands do that up and down movement, its incredible thats offside.

Wasnt even a bloody straight line

You're only offside if a part of your body you can legally score with is offside.

Rossi IRL

AidoEirE wrote: »

His hand is offside. If your running full speed your hands do that up and down movement, its incredible thats offside.

Wasnt even a bloody straight line

Your hand can't even be offside as its not a goal scoring body part, or whatever way they word it

A Dub in Glasgo

Mata's knee was fractionally in front of the defender therefore offsite

AidoEirE

Bein have it done right

Agent Coulson

Giggsy11 wrote: »

The one that is parallel to Penalty line.

And if the camera angle is off then what.

BorneTobyWilde

They showed the actual lines they used, not the wobbly lines. But the actual line they used is not straight either, it's clearly out too.
What a farce.

AidoEirE

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Your hand can't even be offside as its not a goal scoring body part, or whatever way they word it

Was my point, its shambolic

Agent Coulson

AidoEirE wrote: »

Bein have it done right

So the PL/FA, BT & Bein all have different angles whose do we believe.

Hotblack Desiato

AidoEirE wrote: »

Bein have it done right

That's onside.

ThunbergsAreGo

AidoEirE wrote: »

Bein have it done right

Ball has clearly left the foot there

AidoEirE

Had to edit the other post as 'apprantly offside' couldnt get it out in my rage

Mars Bar

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Your hand can't even be offside as its not a goal scoring body part, or whatever way they word it

I think they changed that recently but that was certainly the way it was

AidoEirE

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So the PL/FA, BT & Bein all have different angles whose do we believe.

The linesman?

Ohmeha

Offside is always when the player is conclusively ahead of line, not when his knee 'could' be one-centimeter offside etc.

Neil Swarbrigg and his team sound like they are urgently trying to cover-up their massive f-up

VAR needs to scrapped until a proper system is in place, just image the damage to the game if the World Cup Final or the Champions League Final is decided on a farce like that

Agent Coulson

AidoEirE wrote: »

The linesman?

The good old days :pac:

eagle eye

naughtb4 wrote:

Ball has clearly left the foot there

I can't see the front of Ashley Young's foot, can you?

Trigger

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And if the camera angle is off then what.

You can’t use the camera angle to draw the lines, then you get what happens with the VAR wrong lines.. you judge it by the cuts on the grass and the penalty box lines, and you put your line parallel to those

Agent Coulson

The World Cup is going to be fun when games actually matter and this happens.

Giggsy11

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And if the camera angle is off then what.

It's not hard to draw straight line, if they can't even get that right then there is no point using video replays/

AidoEirE

In all fairness on or off side, this ****ing line for the var is a joke. Its like trying to draw a line free hand drunk

Agent Coulson

astradave wrote: »

You can’t use the camera angle to draw the lines, then you get what happens with the VAR wrong lines.. you judge it by the cuts on the grass and the penalty box lines, and you put your line parallel to those

Get the GPS lawn mowers out then.

deadybai

Var is so bad . Should only be called on for uncertain situations and should be done in a timely manner. This call was ridiculous.

Even when bt showed the straight lines he still looked onside . Never wanted var. Refs have come on tremendously in the last few years in fairness . This really takes the fun out of football

Trigger

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Get the GPS lawn mowers out then.

It seems you are purposely overlooking the facts laid in front of you, tbh I wouldn’t expect anything less from you, have at it I suppose

Harry Palmr

If lines are being used to judge offside then every pitch will need to have some sort of infra-red marker system running along the advertising LED boards on both sides which can be read by a sensor so that you get a true measure as the last player interferes with a beam.

bucketybuck

I said it repeatedly in previous discussions regarding VAR and every time its used I have been proven to be completely right.

Decisions in soccer are far too subjective for VAR to be effective. It solves nothing.

Agent Coulson

astradave wrote: »

It seems you are purposely overlooking the facts laid in front of you, tbh I wouldn’t expect anything less from you, have at it I suppose

Good job insulting the poster not the post.

Rekop dog

naughtb4 wrote: »

Find it hard to trust bt looking to get something to talk about in a really dull fa cup round

Not even talking from a conspiracy point of view, more trusting the functionality of technology. I've seen different sport productions put up different lines for the same decision before.

Impossible to tell from naked eye if a line is perfectly straight, if they're even an inch off from one side of the pitch to the other that could be the difference of offside or not. There's a margin of error with technology.

Trigger

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Good job insulting the poster not the post.

Where is the insult? Is it not true that you fail to see anything that could have a positive outcome towards United?

Tom Mann Centuria

VAR still crap.

Ohmeha

bucketybuck wrote: »

I said it repeatedly in previous discussions regarding VAR and every time its used I have been proven to be completely right.

Decisions in soccer are far too subjective for VAR to be effective. It solves nothing.

NFL with their equivalent of VAR does have it's occasional issue but in the NFL it's always used in conjunction with the premise that the video evidence has to be fully conclusive in order to overturn any decision made by a referee on the field

Even if Swarbrigg was looking at the correct straight 'line' there is no way on earth anyone can say that conclusively was offside. Total joke

Unearthly

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The World Cup is going to be fun when games actually matter and this happens.

I'm sure the game will suddenly matter to you if the score swings around

Agent Coulson

astradave wrote: »

Where is the insult? Is it not true that you fail to see anything that could have a positive outcome towards United?

I have said nothing about utd I have been talking about VAR and how sh1t it is you are the one bringing utd into it.


I have also said it was sh1t even when it benefited Liverpool in the WBA game.

Hotblack Desiato

No VAR there

2-0

Unearthly

Beautiful.

Harry Palmr

Hateful! Just shows about taking your chances, which is what small teams tend to be bad at of course.

A Dub in Glasgo

That was onside

bucketybuck

And yet people complain about Lukaku.

Ohmeha

3-0 (scandalous VAR overturned goals count)

Hotblack Desiato

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Hateful!

Oh yeah? Why's that?

A Dub in Glasgo

BT Sport commentators now saying the ref and VAR got it right for the Mata 'offside goal'

Ohmeha

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

BT Sport commentators now saying the ref and VAR got it right for the Mata 'offside goal'

Yeah but it's Ian Darke and Steve McNanaman

It you like football intelligence you should have any BT Sport commentary turned to mute

A Dub in Glasgo

Graham Poll now saying on BT Sport that they got the VAR decision right but only by luck... FFS

Corholio

The decision was right. The whole point of VAR is exactness and Mata was ever so slightly offside. If it was Mata's foot, there wouldn't be much of an argument but just because it's a body part like the knee it seems more arguable, which it shouldn't be. I'm all for more stringent clarification of the rules but for what's there it's the right decision.

BorneTobyWilde

AidoEirE wrote: »

Bein have it done right

How is that right when the blue line is behind the Huddersfield player

Trigger

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

How is that right when the blue line is behind the Huddersfield player

It’s to show his full knee, the rest were covering his knee so couldn’t see where it started.. that’s just my two cents anyways

Ohmeha

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Graham Poll now saying on BT Sport that they got the VAR decision right but only by luck... FFS

And of course as Graham Poll is talking through his hoop like he did during his disasterous refereering career

He made that stupid statement based on the 27th different line shown tonight that of course still wasn't straight

BorneTobyWilde

They're saying right call, but no pictures of him offside.

Ohmeha

Corholio wrote: »

The decision was right. The whole point of VAR is exactness and Mata was ever so slightly offside. If it was Mata's foot, there wouldn't be much of an argument but just because it's a body part like the knee it seems more arguable, which it shouldn't be. I'm all for more stringent clarification of the rules but for what's there it's the right decision.

No the decision wasn't right because any offside has to be viewably conclusive and that the benefit of any doubt is always decided in favour of the attacking party

A kneecap of inches ambiguity with a TV camera angle not in-line and 57 varying wonky 'lines' displayed on TV does not make that at any time a right decision