M50 incident flat tyres

Neilw

My good deed for the day was to change the wheel for a women who hit the same thing on the M50 today, she mentioned a few cars had hit it.
There was a huge cut in the tyre where she hit it.

rosmoke

Stheno wrote: »

How did the cars the up claims was ahead of them avoid It? Honestly I'm sick to death of people not wanting to take responsibilityfor their ****ups

You are not reading my posts, I said the car in front of me had a flat tyre as well.

The Royal Scam

Why are people talking so much bull blaming the OP for not taking action when he saw the object. Holy jesus, he saw it at the last second and did the right thing I believe.
Lets say for example he jams on or swerves to avoid it..... we all know the M50, it is not a normal road. If he had of reacted badly he could have caused a nasty pile up with disastrous consequences.
Get off his case. Some people in here really think they are such amazing drivers that they would always react 100% the right way every time with split second reactions. Idiots.

Ash.J.Williams

Actually joking aside, technically he might have a point, if you suffered damage and significant expense from somebody else's negligence I'm sure you have a decent case... Only if he saw who caused it or have dash cam footage.


Reminds me of the guy a few months back who's car got hit by a steel pole on the m50 and he didn't realise till after that it speared through the windscreen past his head and stuck into the back seat...

Doltanian

If surprised someone hasn't said what if that metal bar was a child etc. :rolleyes:

Stheno

The Royal Scam wrote: »

Why are people talking so much bull blaming the OP for not taking action when he saw the object. Holy jesus, he saw it at the last second and did the right thing I believe.
Lets say for example he jams on or swerves to avoid it..... we all know the M50, it is not a normal road. If he had of reacted badly he could have caused a nasty pile up with disastrous consequences.
Get off his case. Some people in here really think they are such amazing drivers that they would always react 100% the right way every time with split second reactions. Idiots.

I'd a timing belt blow on the m50 at 5pm on a weekday in massive traffic.

Hazards on and into the hard shoulder meant the truck behind me didn't slam into me

Even if you are the correct distance behind the car in front, if they hit a metal bar in the road and you have cars either side of you there is **** all you can do but drive over it considering the speeds involved on the m50

Feel for the op, thank God is wasn't someone on a bike it would have taken them out of it and we wouldn't just be talking about a flat tyre

rosmoke

Stheno wrote: »

I'd a timing belt blow on the m50 at 5pm on a weekday in massive traffic.

Hazards on and into the hard shoulder meant the truck behind me didn't slam into me

I'm not looking at proving you it was or it wasn't my fault, because you clearly have you're mind set.

Let's presume it wasn't my fault, and a truck didn't secure it's load, what do you do?
Btw, I was told by someone else today to go to Wheel Wizards, I'll check them out tomorrow.

The Royal Scam

Stheno wrote: »

I'd a timing belt blow on the m50 at 5pm on a weekday in massive traffic.

Hazards on and into the hard shoulder meant the truck behind me didn't slam into me

Em... well done

rosmoke

Alena Massive Teenager wrote: »

Even if you are the correct distance behind the car in front, if they hit a metal bar in the road and you have cars either side of you there is **** all you can do but drive over it considering the speeds involved on the m50

Feel for the op, thank God is wasn't someone on a bike it would have taken them out of it and we wouldn't just be talking about a flat tyre

I got scared a bit and there was a bit of panic set on alright, the lad from m50 support unit said in cases like that he has to call guards and they block all m50.

fullstop

Stheno wrote: »

I'd a timing belt blow on the m50 at 5pm on a weekday in massive traffic.

Hazards on and into the hard shoulder meant the truck behind me didn't slam into me

Gold star.

Stheno

rosmoke wrote: »

I'm not looking at proving you it was or it wasn't my fault, because you clearly have you're mind set.

Let's presume it wasn't my fault, and a truck didn't secure it's load, what do you do?
Btw, I was told by someone else today to go to Wheel Wizards, I'll check them out tomorrow.

Do. They are excellent to deal with

Del2005

Angela Large Insect wrote: »

If he hit a cow on the road or skidded on a bit of muck the farmer responsible would be hauled in front of the court, as has happened many times. What's so different about this situation??

No one can identify which vehicle the object came from so there is no one to sue. For the MIBI you need the registration. To get the registration they'd need to have the camera on the exact spot where the item was before it fell off the vehicle, to prove that it was not there before vehicle x went past and was after, so how do you propose that they get the evidence?

It's an obstacle on the road and this is why we are told to keep a 2 second gap. So everyone is responsible. The vehicle which lost the item, the OP for not leaving enough space to see and avoid the item and the people following too close to the OP for them not being able to stop safely.

Just be thankful that the part which fell off didn't cripple the vehicle or the OP and other drivers would have been in a serious multi vehicle nose to tail. Then it would have been the OP's fault and the fault of the following drivers.

So if the vehicle stops dead and gets hit from behind because the following driver hasn't left enough space its the following driver st fault, but if a piece falls off the lead vehicle its the lead vehicle at fault for the following driver not leaving enough space.

rosmoke

I know I said 1 second but it was more than that, if I slammed on the brakes maybe I could've come to a halt before the object, but no one in their right mind would wish to come to a halt on 3rd lane on m50.

It was actually a choice that I made, I chose to slow down as much as I could without risking a rear end crash and go over the object (as I couldn't go left/right), get a flat tyre instead of causing a long series of crashes.

Del2005

Del2005 wrote: »

No one can identify which vehicle the object came from so there is no one to sue. For the MIBI you need the registration. To get the registration they'd need to have the camera on the exact spot where the item was before it fell off the vehicle, to prove that it was not there before vehicle x went past and was after, so how do you propose that they get the evidence?

It's an obstacle on the road and this is why we are told to keep a 2 second gap. So everyone is responsible. The vehicle which lost the item, the OP for not leaving enough space to see and avoid the item and the people following too close to the OP for them not being able to stop safely.

Just be thankful that the part which fell off didn't cripple the vehicle or the OP and other drivers would have been in a serious multi vehicle nose to tail. Then it would have been the OP's fault and the fault of the following drivers.

So if the vehicle stops dead and gets hit from behind because the following driver hasn't left enough space its the following driver st fault, but if a piece falls off the lead vehicle its the lead vehicle at fault for the following driver not leaving enough space.

Don't agree, your driving at 120 and the car in front smashed into a metal bar throws it up in the air and you have a split second to swerve or hit it knowing you probably have cars left and right and you could cause a catastrophic accident if you swerve.

That 2 second gap would appear very very small when you take into account human behavior, speed involved, shock etc.

It's a load of bollox to say if the 2 second gap had been adhered to everything would have been fine.

How do you know he didn't leave a 2 second gap ? even if he left a 3 or 4 second gap he probably would have still hit it.

I always leave a huge gap when driving and if a piece of metal flew in my direction when doing 120 the last thing I would do is wildly swing into an ajoining lane which is what seems some are suggesting should have been the course of action. Or you could slam on the brakes and cause a massive pileup and again maybe a fatality, pick your poison

Even if you had enough time to brake smoothly you would still have to hit it or else you have the time to look left and right before swerving, yeah right.

secman

About 5 years ago I hit a van wheel in the middle lane of the m50. It didn't fall off the van that was immediately in front of me. It was rush hour early morning traffic, I could not avoid it as all lanes were full of traffic and moving. My car went up on 2 wheels and fell back down hard. The van wheel shot across to outside lane and a Starlet hit it, took the sump straight out of the Starlet. My car a 320d was still drivable but was kind of stuck in " straight on " . Never found out where the wheel came from, had to claim on my own fully comp policy, €5k of damage to the car, an awful lot of unseen damage, steering rack, undercarisge damaged, radiator, 2 wheels written off too.
Thankfully no people injured. Frightened the shiete out of me when I was doing 100kph on 2 wheels

beefburrito

Stheno wrote: »

I'd a timing belt blow on the m50 at 5pm on a weekday in massive traffic.

Hazards on and into the hard shoulder meant the truck behind me didn't slam into me

There must have been some wallop when the timing belt went, did it rip your engine apart,pistons all over the road I'd say.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

I'd a timing belt blow on the m50 at 5pm on a weekday in massive traffic.

Hazards on and into the hard shoulder meant the truck behind me didn't slam into me

So you managed to pull your car to the hard shoulder when you we're doing 40kmh in gridlock , gold medal to you sir. Obviously a serious driver

Wailin

Stheno wrote: »

Nope I'm serious

You didn't see it and just blindly drove into It?

Just pay up and move on.

Clippity clop the high horse brigade are here.

mickdw

Some of the responses blaming the op are crazy.
It's not his fault. It may he difficult to find the culprit however it's worth a try. Some driver may have had a narrow escape behind whatever dropped the metal piece and reported it or whatever so you never know.

yoke

Travelling at the speed limit on a very windy day a few months ago on the m50, I had something which I imagine was a small rock slam really hard into the lower part of the driver door of my car, very close to the front wheel.
I got off the motorway and checked the damage - the paintwork was scratched down to the metal in what looked like a spray over an area about the size of a €20 note, but no real other damage. Luckily there was no dent due to the shape of the area that it hit - it tends to press in a tiny bit and rebound, which is what I think happened, considering the force which the object hit with had jolted the car.
Anyway as a thought exercise I wondered who would pay for the damage if the item had hit the front tyre and caused a blowout/crash/pile-up/injuries, considering I was on a toll road that is supposed to be kept clear of debris at all times by a private company, so I decided to follow up.
Fingal county council gave me the number of some company which is responsible for maintaining the m50, and they basically kept repeating that they weren't responsible for any damage etc etc - I had only a small amount of paint damage on my car which I didn't give a sh*t about as it could be touched up easily, so I didn't follow up, but I did make a mental note that the company seemed like a shower of c*nts to deal with on the phone and I'd expect anyone trying to claim off them for a more serious incident would probably need a solicitors help.

OP - if it's the same company I dealt with, you'll probably need to take them to court if you want to recoup any expenses. Of course, court can go either way...

Then again, my expectations may have been wrongly set by Fingal County Council, and perhaps the company was right in the phone call to tell me they were not responsible (and that would mean they weren't actually a shower of c*nts) - logically I would have thought Fingal county council would have been the entity who I should be claiming off, since I have no contract with the private company myself - this is why I rang fingal coco first. If true, then fingal county council are absolute **** for fobbing me off onto the private company who THEY have a contract with

rosmoke

Thanks @yoke.
Yeah, I find it normal that with that many cameras around and as I wasn't the only one affected and there is proof that I needed the platform and a few seconds ago I paid the toll it should be something that can be done.

It's not a big value I know, it's just not my fault and it could have gone a lot more worst and the responsible should pay.

This remembers me of someone who was carrying some furniture on the n7 a few weeks ago on the top of his car but it was poorly secured and he lost parts of it on the way.
Negligence costs.

Optimalprimerib

Stheno wrote: »

In my case my timing belt went near the n4 junction.
I pulled onto the hard shoulder and rang my insurance as I've breakdown cover but ten minutes later the m50 guys arrived.

I think it's the only motorway with this service

So you we're driving a car not fit for the road? If you had the car properly serviced this would not have happened. Very irresponsible imo.

Del2005

Alena Massive Teenager wrote: »

Don't agree, your driving at 120 and the car in front smashed into a metal bar throws it up in the air and you have a split second to swerve or hit it knowing you probably have cars left and right and you could cause a catastrophic accident if you swerve.

That 2 second gap would appear very very small when you take into account human behavior, speed involved, shock etc.

It's a load of bollox to say if the 2 second gap had been adhered to everything would have been fine.

How do you know he didn't leave a 2 second gap ? even if he left a 3 or 4 second gap he probably would have still hit it.

I always leave a huge gap when driving and if a piece of metal flew in my direction when doing 120 the last thing I would do is wildly swing into an ajoining lane which is what seems some are suggesting should have been the course of action. Or you could slam on the brakes and cause a massive pileup and again maybe a fatality, pick your poison

Even if you had enough time to brake smoothly you would still have to hit it or else you have the time to look left and right before swerving, yeah right.

The basic principle of our roads is that you are supposed to be able to stop safely in your own lane the distance that you can see. The fact that no driver adheres to the rule is the reason why the OP was damaged.


OP I don't think that you'll have much luck going after the M50 franchise operator. They are responsible for debris but even if the bar had been reported, which is what needs to happen if you hit a pothole the next person to hit is covered if a reasonable time has gone by for the repair to be done, they will just point out that it was too dangerous for them to remove the item.

It's a pain but unless they can find the registration of the vehicle that lost the item its not one else's responsibility for the repair but yours.

Hurrache

yoke wrote: »

Then again, my expectations may have been wrongly set by Fingal County Council, and perhaps the company was right in the phone call to tell me they were not responsible (and that would mean they weren't actually a shower of c*nts) - logically I would have thought Fingal county council would have been the entity who I should be claiming off, since I have no contract with the private company myself - this is why I rang fingal coco first. If true, then fingal county council are absolute **** for fobbing me off onto the private company who THEY have a contract with

You've no contract with Fingal either. And it's entirely unreasonable to claim off the operator, unless you can prove negligence in some way such as that someone had already called about the hazard and it wasn't removed within a reasonable amount of time.

Otherwise the solution people may want is to have a maintenance vehicle drive behind every single vehicle that uses the road so they catch whatever piece of debris before it hits the ground.

Gravelly

Stheno wrote: »

How did the cars the up claims was ahead of them avoid It? Honestly I'm sick to death of people not wanting to take responsibilityfor their ****ups

Not put very nicely, but this is pretty much what it comes down to. Despite the desire these days to have somebody (else) be responsible for everything that happens in life, sometimes you just have to suck it up and move on.

I stopped to help a lady with a puncture a few months ago, and while I was changing her tyre, she was on the phone to a friend telling them she was planning to "sue the council" because she had hit a pothole.

seamus

Shit Happens Act, 1976.

Proving the bar came from another vehicle is one thing. Proving negligence is another thing entirely.

There is no criminal case to answer here, so you would have to go to court to force the M50 operator to provide you with footage, then go to court, again, to force the dept of transport to reveal to you the identity of the company to whom the other vehicle is registered.

And that's before you can even try to make a claim off their insurance and argue blame. Which you may lose.

Life is too short, move on.

Blazer

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

So you we're driving a car not fit for the road? If you had the car properly serviced this would not have happened. Very irresponsible imo.

Jesus Christ......where to even begin, but I suggest removing write access from the motors forum if you’re going to be writing garbage like that.

GBX

Would the M50 company go through the footage and willingly hand over reg details of another driver? Would data protection come into it from their part?

btkm8unsl0w5r4

OP not your fault for sure. Question is who is to blame. In this world it seems anything bad happens to anyone and there has to be a third part to blame. Sometimes nobody is at fault. The truck I am sure had no intention of leaving debris on the road and no idea it happened, or else they broke down too. Either way we share the road with others and its a risk of that pursuit. We have to stop this culture of blame and compensation in society. Sometimes things happen, nobody was hurt, damage was minor.