Beggers

mcmoustache

Chrongen wrote: »

Yawn.

I don't give them money. They still ask. Your "know-it-all solution" is bullshit.

I think his point is that if everybody stopped giving money, the incentive to beg wouldn't be there any more.

It's a simplistic solution but he's not wrong.

mcmoustache

Wheety wrote: »

How does she smell?

Terrible!










I waited 30 minutes in the hope that someone else would pick up on this classic.

MarkY91

My foreign girlfriend always asks me why so many homeless people are roaming around town harassing everyone. She has been to other European cities and in her opinion, it's really ruining our capital city. I agree with her. I feel quite embarrassed being from Dublin where someone from a 3rd world country thinks we have a homeless issue.

wakka12

MarkY91 wrote: »

My forgiven girlfriend always asks me why so many homeless people are roaming around town harassing everyone. She has been to other European cities and in her opinion, it's really ruining our capital city. I agree with her. I feel quite embarrassed being from Dublin where someone from a 3rd world country thinks we have a homeless issue.

Most cities have the same or more homeless people than dublin, the main difference is they're treated worse in other countries and laws against begging and sleeping around on public doorways isn't allowed and is more strictly enforeced by police, I don't get why you'd feel proud of that

Stonedpilot

wakka12 wrote: »

Most cities have the same or more homeless people than dublin, the main difference is they're treated worse in other countries and laws against begging and sleeping around on public doorways isn't allowed and is more strictly enforeced by police, I don't get why you'd feel proud of that

Well aren't we nice allowing them onto our streets to walk amongst us.

Can't understand people saying "I feel sorry for them".


Feel sorry for em. What does that mean exactly?.
What a load of virtue signalling shyt.

Beat them to the punch and ask them for money.

the_syco

ChippingSodbury wrote: »

And maybe the OP should try begging to collect the tuition fees for some spelling classes!

Perhaps you should get glasses, as you were not quoting the OP... :pac:

Riddle101 wrote: »

I usually give a bit a spare change to a beggar if I see them on the street.

If people keep giving them money, they'll stay homeless. If they had no money, they'd have to go into the system for assistance. If you want to give money, give to the Simon Community.

Chrongen wrote: »

I don't understand why you never see a beggar in Amsterdam, EVER.

Around the RDL, they'll usually try to sell you coke.

rondog wrote: »

I was eating my lunch in a spar before and a junkie came if out of her head and sat beside me asking for a bite of my sandwhich,I said no and she asked to buy her a cup of tea.I couldn't help it but let rip at her and told her to fcuk off.

Was in a shop at the subway a few days ago, looking to buy a snack. Random dude comes up to me, and tells me the sandwich he wants, and could I buy it for him. I said no, and left. WTF??? The shop was empty, and it'll stay empty as long as that fcuker is there!

Birneybau

MarkY91 wrote: »

My forgiven girlfriend always asks me why so many homeless people are roaming around town harassing everyone. She has been to other European cities and in her opinion, it's really ruining our capital city. I agree with her. I feel quite embarrassed being from Dublin where someone from a 3rd world country thinks we have a homeless issue.

Spill, what did she do?

doolox

...is the cause of all this tolerance of beggars in our midst in the centre of our capital city. For most tourists Dublin is a safe place and they are happy once violence is not brought into the equation.

I am lucky enough to look big and young enough to keep the gougers guessing so I do not have any problems with people looking for money in the city centre.

I am not looking forward to the time when, as I become obviously older and frailer looking that some low life will try to extract money from me by force.

It is possible that by then my political viewpoint will change to look for stricter controls and prohibitions on begging, vagrancy and soliciting funds in a public place, terms which are used in other jurisdictions for begging.

stateofflux

i never give money to beggars.

The majority are not homeless. its just a lucrative exploitation of middle class guilt.

as me grandpa said 'don't reward behavior you don't want'.

Gonad

Homeless Man: You got a dollar?

Buffy Gilmore: Get away from me, you bum.

Cindy Campbell: Buffy, can't you see he's hungry? Here you go, sir, a nice sandwich.

Homeless Man: I said a dollar, bitch.

corner of hells

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

There is 1 guy in finglas who is always at the topaz garage on the n2 , every evening , irish guy , has an expensive push bike aswell , same said guy outside mcdonalds in charlestown in finglas , always stands right where you get your food in the drive through , so when u open ur window to grab food he’s like “ any change mister “ i say no and he’s like “ oh im sorry to ask thanks “

I mean can nothing be done about these parasites ? Bloody everywhere and intimidating too , he does be on his phone at the petrol station and then hops on his bike as soon as he gets his phone call , prob off to score another hit

Small thin guy ?

mfceiling

Pain in the hole.

"You couldn't spare a eurdo for a hostel bud"?

Was out on Saturday night with the brother for a feed and a few drinks. Probably asked at least half a dozen times. Brother was astounded (from a small country village in the north) by the amount of people begging.

Don't give them a penny. The posters here saying "ah sure I only give a euro to 3 or 4 of them"...more fool you. 50 or 60 people a day do that and it's 3 or 4 hundred quid a week plus their dole....There you go - €600 a week for no work and just having the neck to ask you to give them your hard earned cash.

Eircom_Sucks

corner of hells wrote: »

Small thin guy ?

Yup

He’s not that hard up if he has a bike and phone

He apologises after asking for money , i mean ffs f off

I parker there one day on the phone ( in parking spot in garage ) just comes up to the window , seeing i was on my phone and still ask

As i finished my call i heard him on his phone saying he’s on his way over for food

eeguy

mfceiling wrote: »

Don't give them a penny. The posters here saying "ah sure I only give a euro to 3 or 4 of them"...more fool you. 50 or 60 people a day do that and it's 3 or 4 hundred quid a week plus their dole....There you go - €600 a week for no work and just having the neck to ask you to give them your hard earned cash.

I wouldn't give them a penny.

Was drunk one night and a Roma woman came up to me with a fiver in her hand and asked me if I could split it for bus money. I put some change into her hand and she walked off. Started shouting at me when I tried to grab the note.

Saw a few hassling a nun on O'Connell St. too.

If you want to help the homeless, then donate to the Simon community. Much better in their hands than in the hands of a beggar.

corner of hells

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Yup

He’s not that hard up if he has a bike and phone

He apologises after asking for money , i mean ffs f off

I parker there one day on the phone ( in parking spot in garage ) just comes up to the window , seeing i was on my phone and still ask

As i finished my call i heard him on his phone saying he’s on his way over for food

I know him , thought he was dead.
He's a chronic addict and was living in an abandoned building that was set on fire with him in it.
He was sleeping rough up near the junction of M50 , N2 .
He's family check in every so often with him.

Eircom_Sucks

corner of hells wrote: »

I know him , thought he was dead.
He's a chronic addict and was living in an abandoned building that was set on fire with him in it.
He was sleeping rough up near the junction of M50 , N2 .
He's family check in every so often with him.

Obviously somebody doesn’t like him

Always has his sleeping bag rolled up on his back

Bloody scourge , bad enough in city centre , but u cant go anywhere now with these fookers

bikubesong

The Moldy Gowl wrote: »

I give them a fag if I'm drunk or heading out to the pub because I'm sound.

Get the box out to give him one and they always see I have the minty fags. They just say nah man you're grand.

Pricks.

This has happened to me too! They never want the menthol smokes.

I was heading into Dunnes a few weeks ago and a homeless guy outside asked if I'd buy him a sandwich. No problem, I'd much rather do that than give them cash for fear it's funding an addiction. When I came out I handed him the sandwich and a few pieces of fruit and as I was walking away I could hear him crowing and using them to taunt another homeless person nearby, FFS.

Stonedpilot

mfceiling wrote: »

Pain in the hole.

"You couldn't spare a eurdo for a hostel bud"?

Was out on Saturday night with the brother for a feed and a few drinks. Probably asked at least half a dozen times. Brother was astounded (from a small country village in the north) by the amount of people begging.

Don't give them a penny. The posters here saying "ah sure I only give a euro to 3 or 4 of them"...more fool you. 50 or 60 people a day do that and it's 3 or 4 hundred quid a week plus their dole....There you go - €600 a week for no work and just having the neck to ask you to give them your hard earned cash.

Green eyed monster they earn more than you.

BTW don't believe beggars make €600 a week.

Stonedpilot

bikubesong wrote: »

This has happened to me too! They never want the menthol smokes.

I was heading into Dunnes a few weeks ago and a homeless guy outside asked if I'd buy him a sandwich. No problem, I'd much rather do that than give them cash for fear it's funding an addiction. When I came out I handed him the sandwich and a few pieces of fruit and as I was walking away I could hear him crowing and using them to taunt another homeless person nearby, FFS.

Maybe he swapped the sandwich for drugs?.

If a begger spends their money on drugs not my business or anyone else's. Their grown adults and making their own life choices. If others fund it more power to them.

When I gave up drugs met many many wealthy professionals who had clients and customers funding their coke/booze/speed/smack/codeine/cannabis you name it addiction.

People fund addiction everyday, some are good at hiding it and have the resources to keep their shyt together, for now!.

Do people stop paying their TV license fee as Gerry Ryan died a drug addict are they are worried the current crop in RTE are on the marching powder everynight? Of course not.

Donald Trump

Could be worse.

Could be boggers rather than beggars

Boggers can't be choosers either

Dr Brown

Alot of these Beggers probably have more money than I do but they choose to spent it on drink and drugs.

discobeaker

Afew years ago I was having a sandwich in the centra by the hapenny bridge. One of the beggers from the bridge comes in and starts having a laugh with the staff in centra as they seemed pretty friendly towards each other. He took out bags and bags of change and got them to give him notes for it, must have been about 300/400 euros easily. He then starts laughing and saying "sure why would I work in here when I can make that in afew days".... Since then,I don't give to beggers.

Infini

Generally I just give them nothing not even any attention and just keep walking. Realistically the only ones that can help them are themselves and only when they decide to do something to get themselves out of that situation.

And dont get me started on the Roma Career Beggers.....

Dr Brown

Infini wrote: »

And dont get me started on the Roma Career Beggers.....

We have the EU to thank for them.

mfceiling

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Green eyed monster they earn more than you.

BTW don't believe beggars make €600 a week.

I'd quit my job if I was offered €600 a week...didn't spend years learning my trade and buying tools and a van to work for €120 a day...check the posting time....I'm heading into work now.

Believe all you want but if they pick up €60 a day (easily achievable) that's €420 a week plus dole = €600. Simple maths.

whisky_galore

Interestingly, the hoards of 'rough sleepers' begging in Cork on the run up to Xmas seem to have disappeared for the most part.

Stonedpilot

mfceiling wrote: »

I'd quit my job if I was offered €600 a week...didn't spend years learning my trade and buying tools and a van to work for €120 a day...check the posting time....I'm heading into work now.

Believe all you want but if they pick up €60 a day (easily achievable) that's €420 a week plus dole = €600. Simple maths.

So why learn a trade if the same money or more can be made begging?. To contribute to society?. You might but Many couldn't care less of that.

According to many here they are cleaning up. To them its lucrative and financially rewarding. So its just pride stopping most from begging is it?

Your telling me beggers in rural towns in Ireland get €60 a day?

Not all beggers have a patch on Grafton Street like!.


Dont gimme that pride/contribute to society bullplop the whole country be out there with a stryafoam cup if €600 a week was made begging handily.



Pride turns angels into devils as the old saying goes.


Lets say they do get €600 a week. Why begrudge em? Because you work on your trade?. They might see begging as theres and see it as a skill unto itself.
Or maybe they don't who knows?.

Live and let live.

Wanderer78

I'd recommend people talk to beggers and the homeless, you ll probably hear some disturbing stuff!

deandean

What's this "spare change" to which the beggers refer?
I don't ever, ever carry "spare change". Mister.

suicide_circus

If anyone is going to spend my money on drink and drugs it's going to be me.

Whispered

Some areas of Paris after dark are so much worse for people sleeping rough than dublin. At least it was a few years ago. I don't think they're as intimidating though as some of the ones in Dublin, the police over there take no messing so they seem to be better behaved in general.

I'm torn on the subject tbh. My husband grew up with a man whose father is now homeless. He had been an alcoholic, came off it, couldn't cope with life and left his wife and home to live outside the local shopping centre! He drinks again now, 5 cans a day or so. Never to the point of being drunk but in his own words "enough to keep going". His son is doing really well and there has been many attempts to help the man but he just can't function in normal life. By all accounts he's a very soft spoken and nice person. He's not making money from begging, just enough for his few cans and food. It's really sad and in his case a definite mental health issue.

Years ago, out in Dublin on a bitter night, my husband offered to buy a begger some food. He was foreign, Bosnian to be exact and clearly in a bad way. He had no heavy coat, no blanket with him. When offered food he ordered just chips (burger place), husband ordered him the same meal as himself and sat for a chat. Some of the stories the man told about his past and now living in Dublin, were horrible. When finished eating he thanked my husband for giving him food and taking time to chat.

Stories like them make me less likely to disregard them all as chancers. While i know that there are a lot of supports for them, some are genuine and fall through the cracks.

Wanderer78

Whispered wrote:

Stories like them make me less likely to disregard them all as chancers. While i know that there are a lot of supports for them, some are genuine and fall through the cracks.

I know an Irish chap that was made homeless from his teens, I don't know how he's still alive, seems to be doing ok though, slowly trying to pull his life together, is no longer homeless but has very deep scars that require professional attention.

razorblunt

Are Am Eye wrote: »

He might just be waiting at a location where he happened to have
first met his ex girlfriend on the basis that she also will decide to
travel to this location at which point they can resolve outstanding
issues and get back together again.

Sounds like you're following a Script there.

MarkY91

Birneybau wrote: »

Spill, what did she do?

Oops. I meant to say foreign lol

whisky_galore

mcmoustache wrote: »

I think his point is that if everybody stopped giving money, the incentive to beg wouldn't be there any more.

It's a simplistic solution but he's not wrong.

That's it.

There should be public information notices advising people not to give to beggars, as giving only encourages the thing. But of course people will think that hard-hearted without thinking of the organised begging rings and the spoofers that clearly don't need it.

BrokenArrows

mcmoustache wrote: »

If everybody just said no, it wouldn't be such a problem. I can remember the last time I gave anything to a beggar. It must be years at this stage.

While I'm here, does anyone understand why people give money to begging gipsies? I never understood this. I thought the whole world knew that these people are organised scammers. And yet I've actually seen people give them money. The mind boggles.

My wifes the worst for wanting to give them money. Its usually my money too because she never carries coins. haha.

BrokenArrows

whisky_galore wrote: »

That's it.

There should be public information notices advising people not to give to beggars, as giving only encourages the thing. But of course people will think that hard-hearted without thinking of the organised begging rings and the spoofers that clearly don't need it.

The police need to come down harsh on them. There is literally no point in arresting them but beggars need to be constantly hounded and moved on by police.

When the police move them on they need to be told where to find legitimate help.
Eventually after consistent months and years of police hounding the beggars and informing them of where they can get actual help maybe the problem will come under control.

Wanderer78

BrokenArrows wrote: »

The police need to come down harsh on them. There is literally no point in arresting them but beggars need to be constantly hounded and moved on by police.

When the police move them on they need to be told where to find legitimate help.
Eventually after consistent months and years of police hounding the beggars and informing them of where they can get actual help maybe the problem will come under control.

have you ever tried to reason with a person with highly complex issues such as mental health problems?

Agricola

I was in Rome a few years back and I saw an old man with a long white beard, stumps for arms and legs, flailing about on the footpath with a cup in front of him. He was dressed in a sort of toga as well and howling like someone was stabbing him.

Now that's committed begging.

whisky_galore

BrokenArrows wrote: »

The police need to come down harsh on them. There is literally no point in arresting them but beggars need to be constantly hounded and moved on by police.

When the police move them on they need to be told where to find legitimate help.
Eventually after consistent months and years of police hounding the beggars and informing them of where they can get actual help maybe the problem will come under control.

The public need to be told NOT to give and the reasons why giving to all and sundry is undesirable, that'll choke off their money source. You can be moving them around all you want, they'll just be back at their pitch within seconds.
The Irish psyche is the 'arra shur God love dem' mindset, esp. when presented with begging 'props' like children and dogs, which would be hard to change tbf.

somefeen

There's a fella in Cork standing by the flyover at mahon point with a sign saying something like

"Illegally evicted sleeping in my car please donate" or something along them lines.

Like go and do something about it so instead of standing there with a big sad face on ya asking for money.

I don't know why but I'd rather give money to someone who's obviously just gonna spend it on drink.

Wanderer78

somefeen wrote: »

There's a fella in Cork standing by the flyover at mahon point with a sign saying something like

"Illegally evicted sleeping in my car please donate" or something along them lines.

Like go and do something about it so instead of standing there with a big sad face on ya asking for money.

I don't know why but I'd rather give money to someone who's obviously just gonna spend it on drink.

have you ever experienced complex issues such as mental health problems? life with these kind of issues is not straight forward, its a very strange place, whereby even the smallest of problems seem impossible

Eircom_Sucks

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I'd recommend people talk to beggers and the homeless, you ll probably hear some disturbing stuff!

Duh of course

Most are addicts , very few genuine

I don’t believe anybody should ne homeless

If you are making a concious effort to find work and not on drugs , family would help you or even friends , plus there is hostels , only people left on the streets are deadbeats and don’t deserve the steam off ur p iss , people who don’t want help , sure there was loads on henry street who didnt wanna go to a hostel cause then they’d be seperated etc , i mean u cant be that choosey if you on the street and if you turn it down then ur own choice

Wanderer78

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Duh of course

Most are addicts , very few genuine

I don’t believe anybody should ne homeless

If you are making a concious effort to find work and not on drugs , family would help you or even friends , plus there is hostels , only people left on the streets are deadbeats and don’t deserve the steam off ur p iss , people who don’t want help , sure there was loads on henry street who didnt wanna go to a hostel cause then they’d be seperated etc , i mean u cant be that choosey if you on the street and if you turn it down then ur own choice

wow, some research required!:eek:

Stonedpilot

Wanderer78 wrote: »

have you ever experienced complex issues such as mental health problems? life with these kind of issues is not straight forward, its a very strange place, whereby even the smallest of problems seem impossible

Fair play to him. takes balls to do something like that, like it or lump it!.

Wanderer78

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Fair play to him. takes balls to do something like that, like it or lump it!.

what do you mean?

B.A._Baracus

Beggars show what society is...
And that's no one gives a bollocks. Sure you might get the odd decent heart. But most will step right over you and keep walking on.


People like to twist and say they don't give money because the person will just use it on drugs or drink. Truth is you don't just care and hey that's ok. World is a messed up hard place.

corner of hells

Eircom_Sucks wrote: »

Duh of course

Most are addicts , very few genuine

I don’t believe anybody should ne homeless

If you are making a concious effort to find work and not on drugs , family would help you or even friends , plus there is hostels , only people left on the streets are deadbeats and don’t deserve the steam off ur p iss , people who don’t want help , sure there was loads on henry street who didnt wanna go to a hostel cause then they’d be seperated etc , i mean u cant be that choosey if you on the street and if you turn it down then ur own choice

How do you know they'd be separated in hostels ?
How do you access them ?

Joe prim

w/s/p/c/ wrote: »

I've recently seen a woman begging the past few days on Henry Street near Arnotts, where the old HMV used to be.  Poor woman has no nose, it's quite shocking to see.  Would love to know her story.

How does she smell?

somefeen

Wanderer78 wrote: »

have you ever experienced complex issues such as mental health problems? life with these kind of issues is not straight forward, its a very strange place, whereby even the smallest of problems seem impossible

Yes and like I said I'd still rather ( and do) give money to people who are obviously going to spend it on drink.

The guy with the sign just comes across as a big victim head and I'm not sure if I believe him either.