Calcutta Cup 2018

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:08pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

It wasn't a physical hit, I've no problem with physicality - but the guy came in with a no arms tackle. You can't shoulder charge into a tackle - you need to use your arms and he didn't. Rugby tackle is defined as using the arms!

people seem selective about it though.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXbCKnn02o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhS1kgZMyzo

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:09pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Google NFL and CTE and get back to me on this.

Rugby is much safer since the incidents you reference. The quality of the game hasn't suffered because of it.

i think rugby was much more enjoyable circa 01-06

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:09pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Google NFL and CTE and get back to me on this.

Rugby is much safer since the incidents you reference. The quality of the game hasn't suffered because of it.

watch the NFL every week.

Try_harder · 24-02-2018 8:10pm

Teresa May, Lizzie Winsor, Boris Johnson, Harry Wales- your boys took one hell of a beating

rebel girl 15 · 24-02-2018 8:10pm

2009 and 2013 - enough said!

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:10pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

That post doesn't address what happened today - rugby and safety in rugby has moved on a huge amount since 2006!

The hit that resulted in the yellow card was not a tackle, it was a shoulder charge which is not allowed as a tackle!

but i see it at every second ruck. its faux safety.

almostover · 24-02-2018 8:10pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

I remember Rob Kearney shouldering Rocky Elsom out of the dead ball area as he scored in the aviva and andrew trimble clattering doug howlett with his shoulder during the act of scoring too in 2006.
no whinges from anyone.just good natured physicality.

i find people are being led by the media and groupthink into what to think is dangerous as opposed to making up their own minds.

We have stef evans contesting a kick with earls in the opening minutes of todays game and a poster is saying he was "taken out".

powder puff stuff

Sounds a lot like what rugby's attitude to concussion was like ten years ago. Maybe have a read up about John Fogarty. Your caveman attitude does the game no good.

thomond2006 · 24-02-2018 8:11pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

watch the NFL every week.

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

Burkie1203 · 24-02-2018 8:11pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

2009 and 2013 - enough said!

What was 2009 and 2013?

Interested Observer · 24-02-2018 8:12pm

Whatever about safety, the laws of rugby very clearly describe what constitutes a tackle and that was not a tackle. It was an offence all day long and the card was fair.

irishbucsfan · 24-02-2018 8:12pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

Why are we entertaining this discussion?!

Mushy · 24-02-2018 8:13pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i think rugby was much more enjoyable circa 01-06

Stop watching then and stop embarrassing yourself with these posts. It was a terrible "tackle" that is banned now. Between this and saying Ireland had the ref in the match thread, a lot seems to be going against the grain for the sake of it

almostover · 24-02-2018 8:13pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

people seem selective about it though.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXbCKnn02o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhS1kgZMyzo

The laws of the games have moved on to preserve player safety. The game is more physical than it has ever been but outright dangerous tackles have rightly been banned

rebel girl 15 · 24-02-2018 8:13pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

What was 2009 and 2013?

Both videos the poster quoted to back up their point that no arms shoulder charge tackles are part of the game :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Peregrine · 24-02-2018 8:14pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

You're not going to win them over. Just don't quote them.

Burkie1203 · 24-02-2018 8:14pm

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Both videos the poster quoted to back up their point that no arms shoulder charge tackles are part of the game :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ah right the videos arwnt showing up on my phone

rebel girl 15 · 24-02-2018 8:14pm

Love that the BBC lead with the Irish 6 Nations result and not the English one!!

thomond2006 · 24-02-2018 8:14pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Why are we entertaining this discussion?!

My bad.

almostover · 24-02-2018 8:15pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

watch the NFL every week.

Great, crawl back under your bridge and please stick to watching NFL. A game with a huge issue with head injuries and concussion. The rest of us will continue to enjoy our rugby thanks

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:17pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

So how can you say physicality is being overstated?!

because i see no difference between what underhill did and how people are entering rucks quite often.

and if heads and necks were so sacrosanct then be done with it and ban scrums.

he milled him in the chest with his shoulder. on with the game ta ****

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:19pm

almostover wrote: »

Great, crawl back under your bridge and please stick to watching NFL. A game with a huge issue with head injuries and concussion. The rest of us will continue to enjoy our rugby thanks

the biggest problem with respect to the above is the transitional nature of play in the NFL, as in offence can become defence during an interception etc. a lot of the injuries occur due to being blindsided such as brandon cooks ( from my beloved patriots) when he got sparked out during the Super Bowl just gone.

in rugby both teams are facing each other and are braced for impact more often than not. i the NFL you are looking back towards your qb and can be flattened after you take your first step and become a runner.

OldRio · 24-02-2018 8:23pm

Just read the last few pages. A mistake. Nothing about the match. Just a sad poster enjoying his/her self.
Why respond? Why?

Bleating Lamb · 24-02-2018 8:25pm

Fair play to Scotland,best Six Nations in a few years,some great attacking rugby being played.Two very enjoyable games today.

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:25pm

OldRio wrote: »

Just read the last few pages. A mistake. Nothing about the match. Just a sad poster enjoying his/her self.
Why respond? Why?

i think that is quite harsh to be fair. a few of the posters played the man and not the ball.i tried to engage in a topical and constructive discourse.

Burkie1203 · 24-02-2018 8:26pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

because i see no difference between what underhill did and how people are entering rucks quite often.

and if heads and necks were so sacrosanct then be done with it and ban scrums.

he milled him in the chest with his shoulder. on with the game ta ****

An awful lot of the dangerous stuff has been removed from the game. Scrum engagement has been altered to improve safety.

Its a contact sport which has made changes to improve player safety based on better medical understanding of head injuries especially.

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:30pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

An awful lot of the dangerous stuff has been removed from the game. Scrum engagement has been altered to improve safety.

Its a contact sport which has made changes to improve player safety based on better medical understanding of head injuries especially.

i agree with the majority of your post but what i am getting at is that i think it has a hint of window dressing about it. Sean o Brien concussed Naholo during the lions tour and received no citing, while vunipola forearm smashed a prone beauden barrett and received no citing.

i am no england fan but i find it hard to sit there and be told that what underhill did was so egregious while actual contact to the head in the two highest profile games of 2017 went unpunished.

it seems like the powers that be are treating the rules as an a le carte menu

mrkiscool2 · 24-02-2018 8:32pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i think that is quite harsh to be fair. a few of the posters played the man and not the ball.i tried to engage in a topical and constructive discourse.

It's hardly topical when everyone but you thinks that it's unsafe to not wrap the arms and just use your shoulder in a tackle.

The rules have constantly been altered to further maximise player safety. The spear tackle is gone, the tackle has been defined as wrapping the arms, the scrum is extremely safe now, allowing the ref to ensure that, in the worst case scenario, bodies can be moved and no-one is going to be paralysed like before.

Also, you have to bind to join a ruck. Not binding and just charging in with your shoulder is also a penalty and cardable offence.

Akrasia · 24-02-2018 8:49pm

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i agree with the majority of your post but what i am getting at is that i think it has a hint of window dressing about it. Sean o Brien concussed Naholo during the lions tour and received no citing, while vunipola forearm smashed a prone beauden barrett and received no citing.

i am no england fan but i find it hard to sit there and be told that what underhill did was so egregious while actual contact to the head in the two highest profile games of 2017 went unpunished.

it seems like the powers that be are treating the rules as an a le carte menu

The fact that some illegal tackles went unpunished is not a valid argument to say that all illegal tackles should go unpunished.

Didactic Ninja · 24-02-2018 8:55pm

Akrasia wrote: »

The fact that some illegal tackles went unpunished is not a valid argument to say that all illegal tackles should go unpunished.

its valid when your contention is that world rugby aren't really serious about it.

vunipola and o brien should have been sat for the third test. non negotiable

.ak · 24-02-2018 9:08pm

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