WEREWOLF XXIV - Back to the Future

Derry WW

Ok no one else volunteer please.

Steve WW

Step back there Derry. You are waaaaaay too eager to do everything.

But anyway, lets keep you around so you can give the low posters a kick up the bum when needed in the days to come.

Ill vote late.

Derry WW

No more volunteers please!!!

Steve WW

Derry WW wrote: »

No more volunteers please!!!

Who elected you the decider?

Phil WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Ok no one else volunteer please.

You volunteered after someone else did. No harm having two I suppose, in case one can't make it.

Derry WW

Steve WW wrote: »

Who elected you the decider?

No one but too many volunteers lowers the pool for wolves to role hunt. Three is plenty.

Derry WW

Phil WW wrote: »

You volunteered after someone else did. No harm having two I suppose, in case one can't make it.

Liam and I cross posted actually :o

Phil WW

Steve WW wrote: »

So.....vote early?

And often

Phil WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Liam and I cross posted actually :o

Ah yes, I see the times now.

Phil WW

Derry WW wrote: »

And the reason I say that is cos Day 1 FFAs are usually full of bullplop reasons

You could just lash three non/low posters in an FFA Derry. That would be in keeping with your stance.

Gabriel WW

Sure who's to say we are all voting for the same player, if it's across 3 or 4 different people it'll be dodgy regardless of one volunteer, I'm all for it but it also gives the volunteer an opportunity to bandwagon each vote aswell (in aid of team village apparently)

Derry WW

Phil WW wrote: »

You could just lash three non/low posters in an FFA Derry. That would be in keeping with your stance.

:D

Possibly... There's so many at the moment though so hopefully that clears up later today.

Henry WW

Did we need volenteers openly stating as such on thread, surely all NRVs should just post as late as possible and not openly out themselves as NRVs.... thats if they are NRvs and not wolves

Steve WW

Derry WW wrote: »

No more volunteers please!!!

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Sure who's to say we are all voting for the same player, if it's across 3 or 4 different people it'll be dodgy regardless of one volunteer, I'm all for it but it also gives the volunteer an opportunity to bandwagon each vote aswell (in aid of team village apparently)

Good point.

Steve WW

Henry WW wrote: »

Did we need volenteers openly stating as such on thread, surely all NRVs should just post as late as possible and not openly out themselves as NRVs.... thats if they are NRvs and not wolves

But then the wolves could look at whomever voted first and reasonably guess that was a roled goodie.

Isla WW

If the assassin is a goodie what are the benefits to staying hidden?

Eva WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Eva see my plan fleshed out a little.

Assassin could also be an issue for the wolves.

Agreed we shouldn't get too worried about it though.

Agree with most of the above. That said we don’t want to effectively protect the wolves from the assassin with a guaranteed nrv vote at 8:59- better to force them to play our game. Decisions decisions, lots to decide this afternoon

Holly WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Grand so, what do we want to discuss now then?

Id be in favour of discussing the low posters and hearing their responses but thats as far as i would go for the moment

Derry WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Sure who's to say we are all voting for the same player, if it's across 3 or 4 different people it'll be dodgy regardless of one volunteer, I'm all for it but it also gives the volunteer an opportunity to bandwagon each vote aswell (in aid of team village apparently)

Henry WW wrote: »

Did we need volenteers openly stating as such on thread, surely all NRVs should just post as late as possible and not openly out themselves as NRVs.... thats if they are NRvs and not wolves

Relax, it's better to lose an NRV to the assassin if necessary than a roled player.

We need to watch the votes, wolves will be voting earlier to avoid the same assassin.

Brendan WW

Derry WW wrote: »

The way to counter the assassin is simples. NRVs should vote as close to 9pm as possible to avoid losing roled players.

Would that strategy not give the wolves a way to identify non NRVs.

Ewan WW

Protagonist - MARTY MCFLY - Loves nothing more than skateboarding, play guitar, and his sweetheart Jennifer, that's when he is not setting fire to living room rugs. Marty will have the power to sway wolves back from the dark side, but Biff also has tricks up his sleeves...

Alpha wolf - BIFF TANNEN - Has had enough of everyone around him and has an Evil Empire on his mind. Peeks as good to all seer checks.

Wolf - MATCH - Joins Biff on his quest to found his Evil Empire.

To me, there was the alpha and the match. I think that its possible that Biff chooses his team or something like that and maybe each prospective candidate gets asked if they want to join or not. Just from the Marty bit.

I don't think that they are in a backroom together, I would have thought that only the two above would be until they have recruits. I would also say a recruit only arrives in the backroom once they have not been swayed back to the good side.

Derry WW

Brendan WW wrote: »

Would that strategy not give the wolves a way to identify non NRVs.

Keep up Brendan dear. I fleshed it out further on in the thread.

Gabriel WW

Henry WW wrote: »

Did we need volenteers openly stating as such on thread, surely all NRVs should just post as late as possible and not openly out themselves as NRVs.... thats if they are NRvs and not wolves

This strategy would have worked if people had of just done it opposed stating it on thread.

Also if all NRVs vote late it'll become obvious after 2-3 lynches who the roled player(s) are

Frank WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Nope, not accepting that. No way wolves in a backroom get converted to good. Doesn't matter if they don't share names, they know too much about secret stuff etc.

Sleeper wolf or a great guess by Marty to block conversion imo.

Don't know about this secret stuff tbh, at this point if it was an actual wolf converted the only info they should have would be on the task. In which case we should have a villager putting themselves forward as cannon fodder to share that info with us. Which we don't have yet. so you may well be right on a blocked conversion

Gabriel WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Relax, it's better to lose an NRV to the assassin if necessary than a roled player.

We need to watch the votes, wolves will be voting earlier to avoid the same assassin.

I didn't dispute that, I did point out a couple of flaws in said plan.

Eva WW

Henry WW wrote: »

Did we need volenteers openly stating as such on thread, surely all NRVs should just post as late as possible and not openly out themselves as NRVs.... thats if they are NRvs and not wolves

Nope, covered this earlier. If Nrc’s do that the wolves can quickly hone the list of roles players. Remember they already know more roles than the rest of us (I.e. themselves) so their list is smaller to begin with

Phil WW

Isla WW wrote: »

If the assassin is a goodie what are the benefits to staying hidden?

There's an assumption there that the assassin knows they are the assassin.

Steve WW

Ewan WW wrote: »

Protagonist - MARTY MCFLY - Loves nothing more than skateboarding, play guitar, and his sweetheart Jennifer, that's when he is not setting fire to living room rugs. Marty will have the power to sway wolves back from the dark side, but Biff also has tricks up his sleeves...

Alpha wolf - BIFF TANNEN - Has had enough of everyone around him and has an Evil Empire on his mind. Peeks as good to all seer checks.

Wolf - MATCH - Joins Biff on his quest to found his Evil Empire.

To me, there was the alpha and the match. I think that its possible that Biff chooses his team or something like that and maybe each prospective candidate gets asked if they want to join or not. Just from the Marty bit.

I don't think that they are in a backroom together, I would have thought that only the two above would be until they have recruits. I would also say a recruit only arrives in the backroom once they have not been swayed back to the good side.

FYI, Match is the name of one of Biffs henchmen back in 1955, iirc from the source material, which i do, because i googled it.

He was called that because he chewed on a match.

Henry WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Relax, it's better to lose an NRV to the assassin if necessary than a roled player.

We need to watch the votes, wolves will be voting earlier to avoid the same assassin.

So will roled goodies though

Phil WW

Eva WW wrote: »

Nope, covered this earlier. If Nrc’s do that the wolves can quickly hone the list of roles players. Remember they already know more roles than the rest of us (I.e. themselves) so their list is smaller to begin with

I think the risk of losing a roled player via the assassin is not big enough to offset the risk of outing multiple roled players via voting patterns. Thus on further reflection I'd be tempted to completely ignore the assassin, so as not to out roled players ourselves. I'd rather lose one roled player than give wolves a lot of information to work with.

Steve WW

Did we get an answer for whether the assassin knows they are the assassin?

I can see it being used as a hail mary with 10 mins to go if someone is up for a lynch.

Derry WW

Phil WW wrote: »

I think the risk of losing a roled player via the assassin is not big enough to offset the risk of outing multiple roled players via voting patterns. Thus on further reflection I'd be tempted to completely ignore the assassin, so as not to out roled players ourselves. I'd rather lose one roled player than give wolves a lot of information to work with.

Fair point too actually.

Desmond WW

No it was never clarified if the assassin is aware of their role

Gertrude WW

What should I do with this letter

Frank WW

Gertrude WW wrote: »

What should I do with this letter

what does it say?

Steve WW

Read it to yourself first and then make a decision!

Derry WW

Gertrude WW wrote: »

What should I do with this letter

Phil WW

Gertrude WW wrote: »

What should I do with this letter

What is the letter? A? B? C? ...

But seriously, if you can divulge what it is and think it will help the village please do.

Steve WW

Whatever this letter says, worth noting it came after Biff gained a power, iirc

Gabriel WW

Information shared is better than hidden, it'll be taken with pinch of salt following Biffs power being activated

Eva WW

Steve WW wrote: »

Did we get an answer for whether the assassin knows they are the assassin?

I can see it being used as a hail mary with 10 mins to go if someone is up for a lynch.

How about a middle ground here so. Subject to the mods confirming that the assassin knows they have this role I’d propose that our volunteer only uses the late vote if the assassin role is claimed

Seems to me that this forces the wolves to organize their votes a bit, which might help us and also gives us a degree of control still. If a wolf is the assassin I’ll hppily take 1:1 by the way.

Anything I’ve missed?

Henry WW

Gertrude WW wrote: »

What should I do with this letter

It be brave move to come out so early if Gab was a wolf....

Im inclined to believe shes on the level for now. Take her words at face value until otherwise suspicious

Steve WW

Eva WW wrote: »

How about a middle ground here so. Subject to the mods confirming that the assassin knows they have this role I’d propose that our volunteer only uses the late vote if the assassin role is claimed

Seems to me that this forces the wolves to organize their votes a bit, which might help us and also gives us a degree of control still. If a wolf is the assassin I’ll hppily take 1:1 by the way.

Anything I’ve missed?

Im leaning towards going with what has been said since - ignore the assassin. We might gain wolf voting info, but more than likely we give up roled goodies.

Everyone do whatever they want, im thinking now.

Derry WW

Loughc wrote: »

A player has found a letter.

Loughc wrote: »

As Doc sped off to find his parents, Marty knew that numbers would be key, he sprinted off to find the homes of Biff's buddies, to try talk sense into them before they were irredeemable.

Biff didn't care for his own underlings and decided to spend his time in the past training himself up, knowing he would have to be the master of his own destiny.

A player has joined the village side.


This betrayal has angered Biff greatly and he grows more vengeful, Biff has gained a power.

Nope, letter was before Biff gained his power.

Gabriel WW

Henry WW wrote: »

It be brave move to come out so early if Gab was a wolf....

Im inclined to believe shes on the level for now. Take her words at face value until otherwise suspicious

Huh?

Henry WW

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Huh?

Im inclined to believe she got a letter and its not a wolf ploy.....

Derry WW

I think you meant Gertie Ahern not Gabby Byrne though Henry dearie.

Riona WW

@Getrude

Henry WW

Derry WW wrote: »

I think you meant Gertie Ahern not Gabby Byrne though Henry dearie.

That i did... damn Gs

Eva WW

Derry WW wrote: »

Nope, letter was before Biff gained his power.

Letter claim was after. Kinda depends on what’s in the letter though as to whether the recipient could come out and the wolves likely don’t know that (unless they already had this ability before Biggs power bump). I’d be inclined to say reveal what’s in it.

Also could it relate to today’s task?