Snowmagedagain

bloodless_coup

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

What's the usual Dublin vs the rest of the country got to do with snow lads?

Well that fact that it's only snowing when it's snowing in Dublin is one thing :pac:

Also hilarious to see Dublin melt down in events like this.

greenspurs

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Boss just rang me asking why i wasn't in lol. Told him i didn't fancy the 10 minute walk in case i slipped hurt myself and was out of work for a few weeks. He hung up.

Can snowflakes get hurt if they slip, and fall ...... ?

:rolleyes::pac:

gozunda

_Dara_ wrote: »

As said, you made the first claim. You’ve to back yourself up every bit as much. Don’t ask others to back themselves up if you are not prepared to do so yourself. Links will only be provided by me if you do so too. Shall we remind ourselves again who made the first claim? Hint: it wasn’t me.
Dublin is densely populated, services can be provided much cheaper to its citizens than spread out rural populations. This is common sense stuff.

You said

_Dara_ wrote: »

Aaaah, no, the money flows the other direction. Dublin contributes more to its country brethren than vice versa.

I was replying to another poster. You replied the above piece of wit and in reply you were then asked by me first to provide a link to your unequivocal statememt. I will wait thanks.

Mickeroo

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Boss just rang me asking why i wasn't in lol. Told him i didn't fancy the 10 minute walk in case i slipped hurt myself and was out of work for a few weeks. He hung up.

Snow isn't slippery.

Capt'n Midnight

Briella Delightful Hazel wrote: »

How long would a bag of firewood last, while using a fire to heat a small room with mediocre insulation? (The bags they sell in lids, in case there is variation in size)

And how many slices of bread would it take to insulate such a room ?

Trigger Happy

Time lapse video from last night outside our home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39ylkxdyLAA

Mister Vain

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Time lapse video from last night outside our home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39ylkxdyLAA

Nice. What did you use to record that?

Steve F

Me when I looked outside this morning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR4vk9xnomE

Trigger Happy

Mister Vain wrote: »

Nice. What did you use to record that?

We have a Netatmo security camera that has a timelapse feature.

Sugarlumps

Conditions in Bray are atrocious. Witnessed an accident at Fairyhill. Three car smash at around 6:30.

Collie D

Was worried about how long it would take to get in this morning. Have to clock in each morning and just checked my logs - earliest I've been in since October.

More snow I say

kyogger

gozunda wrote: »

Really? Compare just over one million versus the three million in the rest of the country. Doesn't add up - who subsidises the vast amount of infrastructure etc concentrated in Dublin.

Yes but services and infrastructure are only required for 1m people Vs 3m people. So you might expect only 1/3rd the services and infrastructure is required for Dublin than the rest of the country. But actually this is not the case- as the other poster mentioned Dublin is more densely populated and therefore so is the infrastructure making it more efficient. So less than that. Just look at the utilisation factors for any service (hospital, garda, public transport) in Dublin vs rest of the country. For sure the net flow would be outwards. I wouldn’t even try to argue the point further tbh.

VinLieger

gozunda wrote: »

Really? Compare just over one million versus the three million in the rest of the country. Doesn't add up - who subsidises the vast amount of infrastructure etc concentrated in Dublin.

You can't conflate 3 million spread across the entire country versus 1 million concentrated in 1 city, its a ridiculously ignorant comparison only attempted by people who have a massive chip on their shoulder

Capt'n Midnight

From the RSA

Do you have a driving test this morning? :pac:

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gozunda wrote: »

Is that so? So over three million people dont contribute to keeping dublin in at all? Ha ha really that's funny you think that Put up your link that shows no money flows to dublin from elsewhere.

He's right, it was on the David McWilliams TV3 episodes recently, Dublin subsidizes the rest of the country. Cities are far more efficient economic entities

Speaking about this phenomenon, David McWilliams states:

“10 billion Euros leaves Dublin to the countryside every single year. So far from Dublin being something that sucks in the resources, Dublin is actually a large ATM for the rest of the country”

https://www.joe.ie/amp/movies-tv/david-mcwilliams-dublin-607271

The Backwards Man

It's the country people working in Dublin that makes the money flow though. Jacko and Decko know fcuk all about financial markets or building gas pipelines.

Anyway, yous still snowed in down there or what?

gozunda

kyogger wrote: »

Yes but services and infrastructure are only required for 1m people Vs 3m people. So you might expect only 1/3rd the services and infrastructure is required for Dublin than the rest of the country. But actually this is not the case- as the other poster mentioned Dublin is more densely populated and therefore so is the infrastructure making it more efficient. So less than that. Just look at the utilisation factors for any service (hospital, garda, public transport) in Dublin vs rest of the country. For sure the net flow would be outwards. I wouldn’t even try to argue the point further tbh.

I think you will find that dublin has more (and much better) services more infrastructure and more facilities than anywhere outside dublin. Anyway the reply was that Dublin - from being 1 million vs 3 million is in fact a net benefiter of funds from its surrounding areas. Simples.

VinLieger wrote: »

You can't conflate 3 million spread across the entire country versus 1 million concentrated in 1 city, its a ridiculously ignorant comparison only attempted by people who have a massive chip on their shoulder

^^^See above. But back to the main point here - If you go back to the first post - it was a jest about the weather. This is AH - you know? Yer man came along with the classic (dublin) chip on the shoulder about what was been joked about. Says it all really.

Dakota Dan

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Why rough it when you could be sitting at home in comfort and safety ? People simply had no choice, we do, it would be silly to choose to do nothing to ensure your family's comfort and safety because that's how it was done in the past.

I was referring to the over reaction to a few cm's of snow and how people are stocking up like it will last for 6 weeks. No doubt someone will have to be blamed for it. Remember 2010 they wanted the council to clear the frost up to their doors? The transport minister left the country and there was uproar, what did they think he could do? No moaning back in the 70's everyone just cleared their own footpaths.

gozunda

Corbin Drab Package wrote: »

He's right, it was on the David McWilliams TV3 episodes recently, Dublin subsidizes the rest of the country. Cities are far more efficient economic entities
https://www.joe.ie/amp/movies-tv/david-mcwilliams-dublin-607271

AH you believe TV3 . Don't believe what you watch or read there or AH ...

Btw he just says what leaves dublin and not "subsidises" - he doesn't say what comes back in ...

Anita Blow

gozunda wrote: »

AH you believe TV3 . Don't believe what you watch or read there or AH ...

Btw he just says what leaves dublin and not "subsidises" - he doesn't say what comes back in ...

The data is available from the CSO. Greater Dublin (Dublin, Kildare, Wicklow & Meath), Kilkenny & Cork are the only counties that pay more in tax than they receive in government expenditure. 55% of total tax take is from Dublin (Link)

_Dara_

gozunda wrote: »

AH you believe TV3 . Don't believe what you watch or read there or AH ...

Btw he just says what leaves dublin and not "subsidises" - he doesn't say what comes back in ...

I said that net money leaves Dublin, which implies that I think some flows the other way too. But overall, yeah, net money leaves Dublin to support the rest of the country.

I was ready to post links after having given you a chance to support your point (which you haven't done), but I see that other forum members have jumped in. I'm smugly smelling my on farts currently.

murpho999

It's snowing outside: red alert and bitter culchies are on here arguing about Dublin!

Ush1

The Backwards Man wrote: »

It's the country people working in Dublin that makes the money flow though. Jacko and Decko know fcuk all about financial markets or building gas pipelines.

Anyway, yous still snowed in down there or what?

Financial markets not so much, but we do need some boggers to work in the Super Mac's.

gozunda

Anita Blow wrote: »

The data is available from the CSO. Greater Dublin (Dublin, Kildare, Wicklow & Meath), Kilkenny & Cork are the only counties that pay more in tax than they receive in government expenditure. 55% of total tax take is from Dublin (Link)

Does that l include all the people from outside Dublin working and contributing there?

It's amazing how stuff spouts legs in AH. Anyway ye better direct how to do links back at the other fellow. Don't think he knows how ...

How is the weather up there then? :rolleyes:

gozunda

Ush1 wrote: »

Financial markets not so much, but we do need some boggers to work in the Super Mac's.

Btw - how is Jacko and Deecko - were they released after their spell down the country robbing old folks?

murpho999 wrote: »

It's snowing outside: red alert and bitter culchies are on here arguing about Dublin!

Ah ye have 'weather' - well done! Don't worry it will be all right - we will be up shortly to sort ye out. It's funny I would appear thst the dubs humour chips are inactive for some reason? I blame the weather

Billy86

gozunda wrote: »

Btw - how is Jacko and Deecko - were they released after their spell down the country robbing old folks?

I think you need some new material.

gozunda

Billy86 wrote: »

I think you need some new material.

Yeah I think that was what Jacko and Decko were after tbh. They got a hiding instead ...

Ush1

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah I think that was what Jacko and Decko were after tbh. They got a hiding instead ...

They were just reclaiming tax owed.

I've also never met a Dub named Jacko and I've lived here 33 years.

Vita nova

murpho999 wrote: »

It's snowing outside: red alert and bitter culchies are on here arguing about Dublin!

Well you're bringing the bitterness to a new level by referring to those posters as "culchies".

The Backwards Man

murpho999 wrote: »

It's snowing outside: red alert and bitter culchies are on here arguing about Dublin!

Bemused is the word, not bitter.

You have a week's warning, you have people who have seen snow before, you have a few flurries and everything stops, panic buying, mayhem on the streets.

That's not how the children of the Ireland I grew up in were reared.

gozunda

_Dara_ wrote: »

I said that net money leaves Dublin, which implies that I think some flows the other way too. But overall, yeah, net money leaves Dublin to support the rest of the country.

I was ready to post links after having given you a chance to support your point (which you haven't done), but I see that other forum members have jumped in. I'm smugly smelling my on farts currently.

Still no linkies

And more money and resources and services go into dublin compared to the rest of the country - yeah sadly we know.

Careful smelling your 'own'(?) farts - it's likley to be bs. well maybe not bovine - but at least you know it's coming from yourself

How's the weather btw?

Ush1 wrote: »

They were just reclaiming tax owed.
I've also never met a Dub named Jacko and I've lived here 33 years.

Dont think you can claim tax back on anything you havn't earned and definitely not whilst in prison!

VinLieger

So many morons out on the road, people thinking brakes are going to work the same in these conditions also not clearing their effing car roofs.

Ive seen several people just spinning their wheels in first gear as if thats going to achieve anything

Ush1

The Backwards Man wrote: »

mayhem on the streets.

Citation needed.

iamwhoiam

Can the Dublin v Others go on a different thread .?

murpho999

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Bemused is the word, not bitter.

You have a week's warning, you have people who have seen snow before, you have a few flurries and everything stops, panic buying, mayhem on the streets.

That's not how the children of the Ireland I grew up in were reared.

Some people are panic buying, not everyone, but enough to empty shelves.

It was the exact same years ago. It hasn't changed. Everything stopped in the old days.

People in Dublin and country are reacting no different.

There is no mayhem on the streets by the way.

murpho999

Vita nova wrote: »

Well you're bringing the bitterness to a new level by referring to those posters as "culchies".

How else would you describe them?

DEFTLEFTHAND

Anybody fall yet?

I'd a few close moments on my way to work, as soon as you come off the compacted snow some of the paths are lethal, especially in the type of footwear I have on. Coming home will be worse.

I'm afraid that I'm going to go viral on youtube before the end of the week.

The Backwards Man

VinLieger wrote: »

So many morons out on the road, people thinking brakes are going to work the same in these conditions also not clearing their effing car roofs.

Ive seen several people just spinning their wheels in first gear as if thats going to achieve anything

It polishes the road nicely for sleds, every cloud eh?

There definitely should be cold weather driving competency tests though, between those going to fast down holds and those going too slow to get up them, you're better off in the Zetor on days like this.

kyogger

gozunda wrote: »

I think you will find that dublin has more (and much better) services more infrastructure and more facilities than anywhere outside dublin. Anyway the reply was that Dublin - from being 1 million vs 3 million is in fact a net benefiter of funds from its surrounding areas. Simples.

Complete nonsense. It's common sense that a densely populated city is more efficient from an infrastructural and public services point of view. That means the rest of the country is less efficient. In that scenario the net flow of money will be in one direction. Basic economics here.

What you see when you go on your trip to Dublin and think there are 'more facilities than anywhere outside dublin' is acutally a density of facilities. This is to match the density of population. There is a difference between 'density' and 'amount' which you also probably need to do some research on.


Your argument that because 3m live outside Dublin, and only 1m inside Dublin makes Dublin a net beneficiary makes absolutely no sense if you think about it. With that nonsense you could argue that someone who is on €500k a year is hugely a net beneficiary of the tax pot, because he is only 1 person and the rest of the country is 3.999999m. Of course that is nonsense as we know the guy on €500k pays €250k odd of tax in the year.

MilesMorales1

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Anybody fall yet?

I'd a few close moments on my way to work, as soon as you come off the compacted snow some of the paths are lethal, especially in the type of footwear I have on. Coming home will be worse.

I'm afraid that I'm going to go viral on youtube before the end of the week.

Yes I fell on my arse when I took the bin out. Lucky no one saw.

gozunda

kyogger wrote: »

Complete nonsense. It's common sense that a densely populated city is more efficient from an infrastructural and public services point of view. That means the rest of the country is less efficient. In that scenario the net flow of money will be in one direction. Basic economics here.What you see when you go on your trip to Dublin and think there are 'more facilities than anywhere outside dublin' is acutally a density of facilities. This is to match the density of population. There is a difference between 'density' and 'amount' which you also probably need to do some research on.
Your argument that because 3m live outside Dublin, and 1m inside makes absolutely no sense if you think about it. With that nonsense you could argue that someone who is on €500k a year is hugely a net beneficiary of the tax pot, because he is only 1 person and the rest of the country is 3.999999m. Of course that is nonsense as we know the guy on €500k pays €250k odd of tax in the year.

Nah it was a joke about the weather - yer man thought he was in the financial forum or something. :rolleyes:

Btw your 'basic economics'101 is bs. But that's a whole other thread ...

Vita nova

murpho999 wrote: »

How else would you describe them?

They're just posters whose opinions differ from yours. You can refer to them without name-calling

The Backwards Man

Ush1 wrote: »

Citation needed.

I don't think there is, is there?

Are the roads not filled with people who haven't a clue how to drive in wintry weather, bus stops thronged with confused commuters wondering where there Bambionicemobile is, pavements littered with the bumprints of the fallen?

Maybe things are improving.

murpho999

Vita nova wrote: »

They're just posters whose opinions differ from yours. You can refer to them without name-calling

Yea yea, and they call Dubliners Jacko and Decko.

Relax, culchie is a well used phrase for country folk.

Not everything has to be labelled name calling!

kyogger

gozunda wrote: »

Nah it was a joke about the weather - yer man thought he was in the financial forum or something. :rolleyes:

Btw your 'basic economics'101 is bs. But that's a whole other thread ...

I love reading the desperate straw man posts of people who finally realise they are wrong

Infini

Honestly glad I left the car at home today most of the roads were full of snow or compacted snow even the main road up my way. Wondering if they'll pull the transport thats working later on if more snow comes barreling down...

Ush1

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I don't think there is, is there?

Are the roads not filled with people who haven't a clue how to drive in wintry weather, bus stops thronged with confused commuters wondering where there Bambionicemobile is, pavements littered with the bumprints of the fallen?

Maybe things are improving.

Yes.

No.

gozunda

kyogger wrote: »

I love reading the desperate straw man posts of people who finally realise they are wrong

You do know this is AH? And you read the original post did ya? Now you're looking to be "right" are ye? Thats funny - lol

But yes your 'basic economics" is still rubbish imo. But hey there ye go ...

Vita nova

murpho999 wrote: »

Yea yea, and they call Dubliners Jacko and Decko.

Relax, culchie is a well used phrase for country folk.

Not everything has to be labelled name calling!

We'll I'm from rural Ireland and would consider it name-calling.

Some definitions of culchie:
Google: "an unsophisticated country person"
OED: "one who lives in, or comes from, a rural area; a (simple) countryman (or woman), a provincial, a rustic"
Dicitionary.com: "a rough or unsophisticated country-dweller from outside Dublin"

MeTheMan

murpho999 wrote: »

Yea yea, and they call Dubliners Jacko and Decko.

Relax, culchie is a well used phrase for country folk.

Not everything has to be labelled name calling!

You might be confusing jacko with jackeen. Used when Dublin was considered more Union then the rest. Jack from Union Jack and een to mean small.

Edit. The irony that your name is murpho!!