Pros and cons of a used BMW 6 series gran coupe

Idbatterim

the amount of money lost on totally unremarkable cars, is staggering! like new 520d's etc whatever...

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

the amount of money lost on totally unremarkable cars, is staggering! like new 520d's etc whatever...

Mmmmm very subjective.

Someone earning €80k who throws 10% of that into their pension takes home about €3,900 a month.

If they run a new 520d as seen in this thread they can expect to lose €26k ish over 3 years in depreciation.

€720/month .......... they still have over €3k left to pay the bills, rent/mortgage, live on and save.

A 520d might be considered unremarkable but it's still a €50k car (add in some extras or interest charges whatever) and for most of the population it's all the car they'll ever need or aspire to

Like even a 2nd hand three year old Passat or whatever will cost you at least €200/month in depreciation, a new one closer to €500/month.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Idbatterim wrote: »

the amount of money lost on totally unremarkable cars, is staggering! like new 520d's etc whatever...

The ammount of enjoyment lost driving unremarkable cars.....but remarkable and unremarkable are a matter or perspective. The F10 or G30 520d..hell even the e60 520d was a fine motor...I would rather lop off a nut than have that engine again but thats...you know man..just my opinion given my history and my available options.

Idbatterim

A 520d might be considered unremarkable but it's still a €50k car (add in some extras or interest charges whatever) and for most of the population it's all the car they'll ever need or aspire to

this is my take, I bought a Merc S500 LWB, 2006 for 11k, facelift lights, amg body kit, alloys etc. Outrageous yoke with looks to boot. The attention it gets is ridiculous, it cost nothing to buy for what you are getting, overall far cheaper than some new 520d that no one will take a second look at, even in msport guise. I have 3 bms in the house, Id never buy their stuff if I could afford it new. It has the "exclusiveness" of a hyundai at this stage. If spending that money, the mercs are far more exclusive. I am not talking about their performance stuff (BMW) ... I just cant get my head around losing that money on that relative crap. If a new 520d is your aspiration, the money must mean something to you, so why lose so much on it?

I should explain better, I suppose my reason for calling it crap, is the relative messed up Irish situation with motor tax and to a lesser extent the year on reg. You can get outrageous cars for nothing! So why buy unremarkable cars for a fortune...

Wailin

2 litre diesel merc, audi, bmw all unremarkable cars....id take the 5 series over the other 2 any day of the week.

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

this is my take, I bought a Merc S500 LWB, 2006 for 11k, facelift lights, amg body kit, alloys etc. Outrageous yoke with looks to boot. The attention it gets is ridiculous,...........

For everyone giving it ridiculous attention there are 10 more who reckon it's close to being scrapped

Idbatterim

Augeo wrote: »

For everyone giving it ridiculous attention there are 10 more who reckon it's close to being scrapped

ha yeah maybe, fair enough if they are driving around in a 150k , which is what that cost new and thats before the previous owner put another fortune into it on the body kit, alloys, quad exhaust etc...

Idbatterim

Also, you'll see €2000k a year depreciation on the Merc at least, add in the motor tax (€1800 or €2000 if not paid in one lump) and you are up to €4k before putting a drop of juice into it.

That's nearly half the new 520d depreciation

Folks driving a new 520d would be as repulsed at the thought of having your car as you reckon their's is unremarkable

total cost to motor 20k kms per annum mightn't be that different really, all considered. You make it sound like the Merc is almost free in comparison.

Idbatterim wrote: »

..... the previous owner put another fortune into it on the body kit, alloys, quad exhaust etc...

Sounds like something from Love Hate tbh.

Idbatterim

Augeo wrote: »

Also, you'll see €2000k a year depreciation on the Merc at least, add in the motor tax (€1800 or €2000 if not paid in one lump) and you are up to €4k before putting a drop of juice into it.

That's nearly half the new 520d depreciation

Folks driving a new 520d would be as repulsed at the thought of having your car as you reckon their's is unremarkable

total cost to motor 20k kms per annum mightn't be that different really, all considered. You make it sound like the Merc is almost free in comparison.



Sounds like something from Love Hate tbh.

Ill get some photos up, you judge for yourself...

Idbatterim

Augeo wrote: »

Also, you'll see €2000k a year depreciation on the Merc at least, add in the motor tax (€1800 or €2000 if not paid in one lump) and you are up to €4k before putting a drop of juice into it.

That's nearly half the new 520d depreciation

Folks driving a new 520d would be as repulsed at the thought of having your car as you reckon their's is unremarkable

total cost to motor 20k kms per annum mightn't be that different really, all considered. You make it sound like the Merc is almost free in comparison.



Sounds like something from Love Hate tbh.

its s63 amg bodykit, all oem...

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

Ill get some photos up, you judge for yourself...

Was very tongue in cheek, apologies

But regarding the cost, it's not cheap motoring tbh.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Idbatterim wrote: »

ha yeah maybe, fair enough if they are driving around in a 150k , which is what that cost new and thats before the previous owner put another fortune into it on the body kit, alloys, quad exhaust etc...

Ah here...you had me sold up to that point....you going around in a non AMG with quads on...thats a cool car with a cool engine, but you got to buckle up and put your proper AMG money down if you want quads...

Idbatterim

here she is, pics crap compared to the one's the dealer has, I screenshotted them. Going to get originals from dealer and ill post them up here...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105593196&postcount=6142

yeah fitzgeme, previous owner put on the S63 amg bodykit. In fairness, I dont feel much of a fraud, engine cc is nearly 5.7L v 6.3 in the S63, which is largest cc V8 I believe...

Wailin

Idbatterim wrote: »

Ill get some photos up, you judge for yourself...

Wailin

Joking aside that is a savage looking motor. Hard to believe it's 12 years old.

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

here she is......

Fine bus no doubt.
Do you reckon €4000k/annum will cover tax and depreciation over the next 3 years?

mickdw

Vanessa Attractive Drain wrote: »

mickdw wrote: »

I'd love a 640d but I'm a bit afraid of them in terms of going wrong.

To be fair to BMW F generation cars are much more reliable. They didnt totally change the engines so they are more reliable derivatives of the E generation engines, some timing belt issues but nothing major. As far as I know there are no major predictable weak points on the 640d.

I had 4 E generation cars - X5, M5, 645, 316. all had issues in my ownership (some major). I have had 3 F generation cars - 420d, 640d, M4,, and not a single issues except the aircon needing regassing on the 420d. Still I think if you need a car for transportation you should take a warranty on any BMW worth more than 30k.

Good info there. Not something I'd been aware of - the F series being more reliable.
BMW warranty is a huge plus though no doubt. As you say,if you spend 30k on a 2012 or so BMW, warranty is critical as it's a lot of money for what is an aging car now.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Idbatterim wrote: »

here she is, pics crap compared to the one's the dealer has, I screenshotted them. Going to get originals from dealer and ill post them up here...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105593196&postcount=6142

yeah fitzgeme, previous owner put on the S63 amg bodykit. In fairness, I dont feel much of a fraud, engine cc is nearly 5.7L v 6.3 in the S63, which is largest cc V8 I believe...

idbatterim..your a cool poster on here so please dont take it personally, BUT....the lack of rear correct badging and the putting of fake badges on the wings, the fact the quads are the wrong shape, the rear diffuser is wrong (so I am unsure if its the correct OEM bodykit), the front fogs are wrong (again which bodykit), the wing mirrors are wrong, the Brakes are wrong, (not cross-drilled and quite a bit smaller), side skirts are wrong, and its a LWB mean a car guy would spot it a mile away, Its a replica or tribute car. The fact the engine is a good one makes its even more odd to tart it up like that, I would just assume its a diesel model.

It is a fake rolex, a good one but a fake none the less. One day a real s63 will pull up beside you, or any performance car....and because you know the driver knows the truth you will just keep eyes forward and down. Take the badges off, remove the quads if you can, get a s500 badge on and drive with your head held high. A fine classy motor that doesn't deserve poorly judged embellishment.

Vanessa Attractive Drain

Vanessa Attractive Drain wrote: »

.... BUT....the lack of rear correct badging and the putting of fake badges on the wings, the fact the quads are the wrong shape, the front fogs are wrong, the wing mirrors are wrong and its a LWB mean a car guy would spot it a mile away.......

At a glance it's the seats that are the obvious giveaway IMO .... not as obvious as the LWB to some admittedly.

carsfan2

Vanessa Attractive Drain wrote: »

The ammount of enjoyment lost driving unremarkable cars.....but remarkable and unremarkable are a matter or perspective. The F10 or G30 520d..hell even the e60 520d was a fine motor...I would rather lop off a nut than have that engine again but thats...you know man..just my opinion given my history and my available options.

Well I don’t think I would go down the self castration road if I had to drive a 520d!
However I would want a warranty with any Bmw really of any significant value and wouldn’t go older than13/14 which would keep me in the main dealer network.
I don’t know why but the 6 gc seems more modern than the Audi A7 interior.
Also alot of the A7’s for sale here seem to be the lower power 218ps version whereas the 640 has another 95 bhp.
The 6 seems a lot of car for the money still with a lot of kit.
Do the seats on the 6 have lumbar mark or Vanessa Attractive Drain?

Brian Scan

Vanessa Attractive Drain wrote: »

Ah here...you had me sold up to that point....you going around in a non AMG with quads on...thats a cool car with a cool engine, but you got to buckle up and put your proper AMG money down if you want quads...

Vanessa Attractive Drain wrote: »

idbatterim..your a cool poster on here so please dont take it personally, BUT....the lack of rear correct badging and the putting of fake badges on the wings, the fact the quads are the wrong shape, the rear diffuser is wrong (so I am unsure if its the correct OEM bodykit), the front fogs are wrong (again which bodykit), the wing mirrors are wrong, the Brakes are wrong, (not cross-drilled and quite a bit smaller), side skirts are wrong, and its a LWB mean a car guy would spot it a mile away, Its a replica or tribute car. The fact the engine is a good one makes its even more odd to tart it up like that, I would just assume its a diesel model.

It is a fake rolex, a good one but a fake none the less. One day a real s63 will pull up beside you, or any performance car....and because you know the driver knows the truth you will just keep eyes forward and down. Take the badges off, remove the quads if you can, get a s500 badge on and drive with your head held high. A fine classy motor that doesn't deserve poorly judged embellishment.

Not really fair to be picking on the guy just because he doesn't know as much about cars as you do.

carsfan2

Off the topic but when I see a car like the s class discussed here, I think it is such a pity we do not have private number plates like the uk.
No way that it looks 11 years old and with a private plate it is ageless as merc design changes subtly through the years. Obviously those in the know can tell which model it is but the average person would not have a clue.
Also the number plate system here is designed to inspire envy and want.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Brian Scan wrote: »

Not really fair to be picking on the guy just because he doesn't know as much about cars as you do.

What? We are here to discuss cars. I know the poster for years and he can call me a dick if he wants but that's my honest opinion and one held by many. Take any hurt feelings out of here and off to the scented candels forum...this is sparta motors. He know more than me about cars I am sure he has had a bunch of gud uns.

6 series is good for seats. Not the huggiest for cornering but seemed comfortable. I don't really suffer with my back so it not a concern for me. I am also short so that helps. I am sure there are several seat options.

Brian Scan

Vanessa Attractive Drain wrote: »

What? We are here to discuss cars. I know the poster for years and he can call me a dick if he wants but that's my honest opinion and one held by many. Take any hurt feelings out of here and off to the scented candels forum...this is sparta motors. He know more than me about cars I am sure he has had a bunch of gud uns.

6 series is good for seats. Not the huggiest for cornering but seemed comfortable. I don't really suffer with my back so it not a concern for me. I am also short so that helps. I am sure there are several seat options.

Vicious.

carsfan2

I don’t think any offense meant just giving his opinion.
Beshoff motors have a beautiful 142 gc with only 17000 miles for 45k.
What do you think you’d get back for that in say 2 years?
Between 25/30?

Probably retail for 30k in two years time unless diesels become hugely unpopular.

Loony difficult to guess what you'd recoup yourself IMO. Maybe your 25k less a couple

MarkN

carsfan2 wrote: »

I don’t think any offense meant just giving his opinion.
Beshoff motors have a beautiful 142 gc with only 17000 miles for 45k.
What do you think you’d get back for that in say 2 years?
Between 25/30?

As an estimate yes, probably 25 being the lowest. He would give you a 12 month warranty on it too and then you could add the BMW insured warranty yourself (they charge a loading if it’s lapsed from a BMW warranty be it new or Premium Selection applied).

Mine doesn’t have lumbar support, I’m actually not sure if it has it as an option as my car is fairly well specced - it was €118,000 new. Had an E63 630i before with it though.

Brian Scan

carsfan2 wrote: »

I don’t think any offense meant just giving his opinion.
Beshoff motors have a beautiful 142 gc with only 17000 miles for 45k.
What do you think you’d get back for that in say 2 years?
Between 25/30?

Ah yeah, you're probably right. Just struck me as a bit of a Sheldon-ish put-down of the car the other poster was proud of.

carsfan2

rather than start another thread, can I get opinions on this option?
Seems loaded and low miles with full two year warranty.
Would I get a couple of years of reasonably cheap luxurious motoring?
Would you get 18/20k back in a couple of years?

http://www.bmwapprovedusedcars.ie/used-cars/BMW/7-Series/730d-SE/1912807614915432866/

mickdw

Looks like a nice option but I wouldn't call it cheap.
I went to Dublin and had a good look around over the past couple of days. I think I will have to go to UK. Looked at 430d, 640d 530d and also a cls.
Big prices and hardly willing to move for straight sale.
I visited a lot of places but not being used of Dublin garages, I arrived at a couple that I was disappointed to find were basically a prefab and a small yard.
The 640d coupe sold the next morning.
Terrible choice of 6 cylinder stuff available. 6 cylinder cls a real rarity.
The 4 series interior I found made it a non starter for me. I would rate it significantly worst than my current A5 but that's personal opinion.
The 6 drove lovely but didn't get out of 3rd gear. Sales guy was coming back with best price buy then rang to say it sold.
I'm figuring I would gain a year by going to UK anyway.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Low milage for the year there, Spec is fairly standard.....have to say the 7 series does nothing for me. I have driven one with that engine and it was a very bland experiance. If it floats your boat go for it, or if you have to chaufuer a low level diplomat around its a winner.

carsfan2

Yeah I would need to really get a deal. Not sure if it's even more of an old mans car though.
A full 2 year BMW warranty and the comfort attract me.
I can see myself drifting back to a 520d G30 at this rate Mick.
Was the 640d a gc or coupe? how was the ride? I think dealers in Dublin can be more difficult as they have the population around them and there is definitely more economic activity/prosperity. I also think many in Dublin are unwilling to look beyond Dublin.
CLS interior looks very dated to me when you compare it to more modern mercs.
I get what you mean over the interior of the 4 series though.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

carsfan2 wrote: »

Yeah I would need to really get a deal. Not sure if it's even more of an old mans car though.

I think we can put that one to bed...yes...yes it is.

One thing I have learned when you are buying a car that is beyond a form of transport (where you want something more than value, reliability or functionality) is get the one you really want, dont substitute in others and man logic them into place. Go with your guts, and if the wallet doesnt get you what you want....wait.

carsfan2

you make sense Fitzgeme to a car enthusiast but surely we man logic the ideal car too?
that 7 looks like a nice barge to me but I know you're right.
However dropping 50/60k on a newer 5 seems wasteful even though thankfully I can I am not sure I want to.
what would you buy with 50k, that won't cost the earth to run, depreciate like a stone, will be a comfy commuter and entertaining when required?
Must carry 3 adolescents on occasion so no two doors.

Big Nasty

Those 7ers actually look really slick in Sport guise

All standard SE's are bland looking IMO.

Wailin

Would you go for a 15/16 530/535d? Will have depreciated by roughly 50% at this stage and will be slowing down a good bit. This car was 44k last week. Now 40k with 2 yr warranty. Low miles, nothing special spec wise though.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2015-152-bmw-5-series-530d-m-spo-westmeath-fpa-1366072009393302068

mickdw

carsfan2 wrote: »

Yeah I would need to really get a deal. Not sure if it's even more of an old mans car though.
A full 2 year BMW warranty and the comfort attract me.
I can see myself drifting back to a 520d G30 at this rate Mick.
Was the 640d a gc or coupe? how was the ride? I think dealers in Dublin can be more difficult as they have the population around them and there is definitely more economic activity/prosperity. I also think many in Dublin are unwilling to look beyond Dublin.
CLS interior looks very dated to me when you compare it to more modern mercs.
I get what you mean over the interior of the 4 series though.

640d coupe. Ride was fine. Similar to my own car at the speeds tested.
Was surprised at the amount of engine sounds in the cabin. Do these have engine sound played in?
I'm sure there will always be a premium to be paid in Dublin but I don't exactly have a local BMW dealer.
There is a touch of the old man about the CLS interior. Dash screen looks great in reality though.
The next generation mercs are very different for sure but 99 percent of the e class here don't have the proper glass panel display and takes a lot from the car.

carsfan2

Wailin wrote: »

Would you go for a 15/16 530/535d? Will have depreciated by roughly 50% at this stage and will be slowing down a good bit. This car was 44k last week. Now 40k with 2 yr warranty. Low miles, nothing special spec wise though.

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2015-152-bmw-5-series-530d-m-spo-westmeath-fpa-1366072009393302068

Yeah
I saw that car up for a while.
I’ve had a f10 and f11 5 series and they’re great but not sure I would go again.

bazz26

32k for a 2012 SE seems awfully expensive when for another 9k you could have this LCI 2014 M Sport:

https://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1969450&r=s.php%3Fm%3D10%26o%3D89%26r%3D2014%26g%3D0

As they are the same chain of garages I'm sure they could bring it down to Limerick carsfan2 if you want to test drive it, as when I was car shopping last time round they had a F10 in Kildare I was interested in and they were willing to bring it down to Limerick for a test drive.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

You could get a F10 M5 for that money and size....I personally would man logic that onto my drive.

Panamera from the UK would fit the bill.

435d GC Xdrive is the more sensible choice and a very rapid car.

Get the 640dGC its a good compromise, yes the engine noise is piped into the cabin.

MarkN

Vanessa Attractive Drain wrote: »

You could get a F10 M5 for that money and size....I personally would man logic that onto my drive.

Panamera from the UK would fit the bill.

435d GC Xdrive is the more sensible choice and a very rapid car.

Get the 640dGC its a good compromise, yes the engine noise is piped into the cabin.

Never knew that! Actually find it much quieter than the 635d inside the cabin unless you really show no mercy on the throttle.

7 series V 640GC I’d go 6 all day long. 7 will depreciate more there is a zero doubt.

Also, take Conlon’s prices with a large pinch of salt.

bazz26

I think any of these medium to big premium cars are going to depreciate sharply on an annual basis. They have a limited market here so you really need to be thinking about keeping them long term to offset most of that depreciation. If your only keeping it for a short time then be prepared to lose a fair bit of money on it.

MarkN

Agree but I think 7s seem to suffer worse.

carsfan2

carsfan2 wrote: »

rather than start another thread, can I get opinions on this option?
Seems loaded and low miles with full two year warranty.
Would I get a couple of years of reasonably cheap luxurious motoring?
Would you get 18/20k back in a couple of years?

http://www.bmwapprovedusedcars.ie/used-cars/BMW/7-Series/730d-SE/1912807614915432866/

You'd likely get 15 if taking a 30k car off the forecourt..... it'll be 8 in two years time. I doubt a garage could retail a 2012 730d for 20k in 2020.

carsfan2

Augeo wrote: »

You'd likely get 15 if taking a 30k car off the forecourt..... it'll be 8 in two years time. I doubt a garage could retail a 2012 730d for 20k in 2020.

Yeah. Probably would be down close to luxobarge territory whereas the 6 series would still have a fan base possibly.
Very hard to win on the depreciation front.

Conlan’s prices are consistent in that they always seem to ask for a bit more than other Bmw dealers.

MarkN

carsfan2 wrote: »

Yeah. Probably would be down close to luxobarge territory whereas the 6 series would still have a fan base possibly.
Very hard to win on the depreciation front.

Conlan’s prices are consistent in that they always seem to ask for a bit more than other Bmw dealers.

As you know yourself, a 6 is gonna depreciate too but I think when they get to the €20,000 mark, they’ll cling in and around there a bit more than a 7 will. Market conditions as a caveat obviously.

Indeed, the 6 appeals to a larger amount of buyers IMO. Once 7 series type cars get to 8 ish years old I don't think too many want them.

There's the taxi / airport run specialist vibe off them too IMO.

carsfan2

Yeah I agree.
Superior looks of the 6 and it’s more sporty image will keep its value up.
It’s still probably the best looking Bmw on sale in my opinion at least in m sport trim

Wailin

All personal opinion of course but best looking bmw for sale at the moment? 4 series far more stylish, even 5 series in m sport more compact and proportioned than the 6. It's too big and those front headlights date the car to early 2000's I feel.

Mickiemcfist

Wailin wrote: »

All personal opinion of course but best looking bmw for sale at the moment? 4 series far more stylish, even 5 series in m sport more compact and proportioned than the 6. It's too big and those front headlights date the car to early 2000's I feel.

Further vote for the 6 here, I really dislike the 4 series, its proportions look way off for me.