Yellowstone - Paramount *Spoilers*

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226625#Comment_120226625

Its all very negative though. If people hate it so much just find something else.

The series has been entertaining for 5 seasons, with some excellent characters and dialogue and is probably a victim of its own success and guilty of going one season to far.

one bad episode isnt going to turn me off it.

OmegaGene

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226689#Comment_120226689

It’s been more than one bad episode, the first half of the last series has gone nowhere

who said they hated it ?

dont be so offended or even worried about other peoples opinions

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120226722#Comment_120226722

Ive no worry about others opinions, never had, but the last few pages of the thread is akin to people tasting a 9v battery.

Pentecost

I don't hate it really. It's just been boring, and a bit annoying at times of late.

JP Liz V1

Matthew McConaughey's Yellowstone spin off is moving forward

Nigzcurran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120429793#Comment_120429793

I absolutely loved 1883 and 1923 so hopefully this is as good

Clareman

Of all the "franchise" shows I like the Yellowstone universe, at this stage I'd say the original series is the least interesting so happy to get more.

squonk

i was disappointed with the spin-offs. 1883 was episode after episode of sheer misery. It got really monotonous after a while.

The ranch stuff on 1923 went nowhere very slowly. Arguably Jake Dutton brought the whole mess on himself. The story with Spencer was the saving grace. I’d watch the hell out of a show with him and the wife travelling around. It’ll just get dull once he gets back home.

Main Yellowstone seems to be suffering from its own success now as well. Previous seasons were more focused and tighter but it’s spread out now to get a 2 part season. Wish they hadn’t messed with the formula.

Sudden Valley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120447623#Comment_120447623

1883 was a bit goofy with the daughter going native/. 1923 is better but the ranch stuff is too reminiscence of the original yellowstone in that the Duttons are just willing to kill anyone to keep their ranch. The Spencer stuff is definitely the highlight with a number of locations outside of America being interesting. The original Yellowstone should try to end on ahigh, it has been too meandering.

squonk

Definitely, sure half the first part of tge season on Yellowstone was about that 6666 ranch which is there before Sheridan bought it. I know he’s doing a 6666 spin-off show but he really should just keep the focus on Montana in Yellowstone.

Spon Farmer

I watched episode 5 of season 3 and earlier - flashbacks reveal why Beth hates Jamie and I am now on her side whereas along I thought I thought he was the victim.

I’m curious about the clinic’s policy of sterilisation. I knew this was something done to Native American women in 1960s/1970s but as late as the 90s (I’m guessing the flashback is then).

When was it actually stopped? The receptionist has no qualms telling Jamie but did the people on the reservations and the public at large know about it?

I tried Google but can’t seem to find when it ended.

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120527288#Comment_120527288

I remember looking it up at the time and it was a common enough practise in the 70s but not really when the scene was based, but they weren't going for too much accuracy don't forget Beth was able to just walk home after a fairly serious operation and was able to hide the recovery from her father

Clareman

This might help Did Native American women’s health clinics actually sterilize women that came in for an abortion? : YellowstonePN (reddit.com)

Spon Farmer

I don’t understand how the US government continue to get away with things like this. Nor how it’s citizens think America is shining light to the world.

In regards to the show it is disappointing that they used this horrible occurrence so inaccurately - it wasn’t done anymore and the fact Beth was up and about a few hours later.

Surely a much better version is Jamie sought out an illegal clinic and something went wrong. And use the sterilisation as a storyline in one the other shows sent in the past.

Still though Reilly, Bentley and Costner are fantastic in that storyline.

It is fascinating how quickly Yellowstone turned into a franchise and how well it has been received as such.

I don’t want spoilers but opening this page I did notice mention that season 5 is a season too many. Do people think the show should have ended with season 4 ?

I thought it would most likely run for another few years but did expect Costner would not be involved for as long as that.

John is a terrible father but an awesome grandfather :D

Spon Farmer

Am I mistaken or is there very very little interaction with each other in the Dutton family?

I watched the episode where Beth tells her father what Jamie did and the final scene is the first time (I think) that Jamie and Kacey have been in a scene together since being at the dinner table very early in season 2.

I don’t think Monica and Jamie have even met :p

JP Liz V1

It seems Costner is gone after S5

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120545117#Comment_120545117

I said the same thing earlier in the thread, it's clear that they are rarely in the same place, the story arcs are so seperate at this stage that there aren't many scenes where they are all needed, the amount of over the shoulder conversation angles where it's clearly a standin is very anoying as well. For a lot of Costner's scenes in in 1 of 3 places so it's clear he's just doing a load of shoots in a day, the difference in his lighting for other actors is amazing as well, especially with the Governor, she's always in the shadow. It's really annoying when you spot it, Castle was the worst offender back in the day but there was clear reasons for that.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120555627#Comment_120555627

Entertainment Tonight have the “exclusive” story but no where in the article does it quote someone in the know. It is just a history of the rumour.

If he was staying they would have put that rumour to rest ages ago so he obviously is but why do these websites always claim they have “news” when they don’t?

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120555737#Comment_120555737

I haven’t noticed any of that but I just find it curious that there is so little interaction between the siblings (other than Beth and Jamie of course) and also Monica and Tate when they all live in the same house and that there was so little impact from the death of the eldest son.

It is sad that Costner is leaving but he has other projects he wants to work on and I’m looking forward to the Horizon trilogy.

Hard to imagine the show without him especially with so little done in the siblings relationship in the series so far.

Spon Farmer

I think I have to stay out of the thread now. Been lucky to get no spoilers so I won’t push it but I have a two questions.

Is it best to watch 1883 before or after season 4 ? I know there is an 1883 flashback episode in season 4 but don’t know if it a prequel or sequel to 1883. And should I watch 1923 before or after season 5 part 1 ? Or does it make no difference.

Is the 6666 or the 1944 spin-offs the McConaughey (had to copy and paste that :P) series or is it something else.

Clareman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120557759#Comment_120557759

I don't think it makes a huge difference, there's a few flashbacks but doesn't ruin anything, personally I didn't watch 1883 until well after I'd watched Yellowstone and there wasn't any spoilers that ruined anything for me (that I can remember)

corkie

Yellowstone's end is confirmed along with announcement of new spin-off sequel

A brand new spin-off series is coming.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a43803634/yellowstone-paramount-end-confirmed-spin-off/

OmegaGene

More spin offs than a yo-yo competition

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120560284#Comment_120560284

It's a franchise verse 😁 so which Duttons will head to the spin off, more Beth vs. Jamie

squonk

Why bother with a sequel spin off. Let Costner leave if he wants. Just do series 6 with the kids fighting it out after John dies. I think they’re starting to take the piss at this stage with the spin offs.

Pentecost

It's time to wrap it up. Rewrite the rest of this season to tie it up if need be but it doesn't have another season in it. Five seasons is plenty and very respectable for a drama series these days.

squonk

Definitely. Especially as feck all has really happened in the first half of this season because they spent half of it setting up a new spin off.

Spon Farmer

This is a very strange undertaking.

As squonk said why not just carry on the series without Costner?

OmegaGene

it is all about the money i suspect, rumours are costner might not even return for filming

While Paramount Network is likely unhappy about cancelling the channel’s biggest show, there is an upside for the Paramount+ streaming service. The original Yellowstone series streams on the Peacock streaming service, thanks to a 2020 deal that execs at Paramount now regret. The new series will stream on Paramount+, joining the other shows in the Yellowstone franchise.

squonk

They makes sense. Kill the main show to kill associated contracts and start with a wholly controlled sequel. While it makes sense though it’s also the problem with the show and franchise at this stage. Sheridan seems to have mad a lot of money off of it and has branched out into his own production and ranch empire, all the time using the show as a sales front for whatever he’s into at the time. That’s fine if it worked but tge quality of the show has declined and it feels like any main show now, be it Yellowstone or the sequel will probably exist to launch more spin-offs and publicise whatever ranch or business he gets in bed with next.

The spin-offs aren’t of high value either imho. 1883 was a death March where they didn’t get very far initially but suddenly warped to Wyoming. 1923 was just the usual Duttons fighting a big bad except, again, not much actually happened. If it wasn’t for the spencer story it’d have been as dead a duck as 1883. IMHONtgeres a great show in a renegade from a rancher family travelling the world gave hunting with his aristocratic bride in tow. Trouble is once he makes it back to Yellowstone we’ll just have more of the same shîte we’ve seen a few times already. I particularly hated that the 1923 ranch storyline essentially stopped with Helen mirren telling Timothy dalton “Oh you just wait til my other nephew gets here. You’ll be sorry then!” Da-da-daahhhh!

Alone and initially Yellowstone was great. Kind of a breath of fresh air but now we’ve seen it all before so no point in rehashing the same story over and over again getting progressively slower paced at each iteration.

OmegaGene

hmm i havent watched 1923 yet, guess i dont have to bother now i know the ending lol

maybe keep the conversation and spoilers to yellowstone

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120561148#Comment_120561148

Yes the ranch is part of the story so just kill off John and the original show can continue, a few characters could go also, reboot the storylines refresh

I've grown tired if I'm honest of Beth and Jamie fighting

Bawnmore

Wrapped up all of the Yellowstone franchise here and need a cowboy fix - have seen Deadwood mentioned not long ago - assuming it's worth a watch?

Spon Farmer

I watched the episode where the Yellowstone cowboys killed the Morrow’s for attacking Teeter and Colby.

I get why the two of them are branded afterwards but why was Ryan? He was supposed to get the brand for helping avenge Jimmy’s grandfather in season 2 and I thought because he was branded he was involved in the rescue of Tate.

The older Morrow looks like he walked of an old John Wayne Western. Floyd too.

Costner should put them in his western trilogy.

Spon Farmer

I’m going to watch 1883 next and make myself wait to see the outcome of the attack on the Duttons.

I had thought that season 4 has a whole episode as a sequel to 1883 - but is that wrong? Are the 1883 flashbacks just a part of an episode or is there a series of flashbacks across the season?

I'm wondering because on the TV app the thumbnail for the next episode is clearly not set in present day.

yabadabado

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120574904#Comment_120574904

Deadwood is excellent.

Homelander

I just binged Season 1 through 5 in about two or three weeks. I had watched 1883 first which I thought was spectacular and then 1923 which I enjoyed a lot but definitely felt it wasn't as good.

Firstly, I really enjoy Yellowstone overall. The scenery is breath-taking and the cast are mostly great, and those little moments that focus on ranching life and rural Montana living are excellent. Even the characters that are badly written have some great moments and the entertainment value is high.

My biggest issue having watched it all back to back is that somewhere around S3 or S4 almost all of the main characters stopped growing and just seemed to get caught in loops or were sidelined, like the writers hadn't a clue what to actually do with them.

Kaycee and Jamie are prime examples of this, but the Beth/Jamie thing is just beyond absurd at this point. They are walking in circles for several seasons now, it's almost comical how many "Jamie turns on the family/Beth pledges to destroy him" sagas they've gone through at this stage.

The thing for me is that since the very first episode of the show, Jamie has been treated with disdain and mistrust by basically everyone in a weird vacuum where common sense and logic doesn't exist and no-one ever seems to stand up for him.

It's bad writing and it only got worse in the later seasons. I like the character of John Dutton but he's been nothing but a POS to Jamie since the start. I can't quite work out how the writers haven't at least had a somewhat neutral party like Kaycee point that out, or at least attempt to counter Beth's unrelenting "Jamie is evil" campaign ongoing since the first episode.

And what the hell happened to Kaycee? The last two seasons he's just pushing random, mostly meaningless filler in between other barely-relevant plot points. He and Monica add nothing to the show anymore, which is a shame because they were such good characters earlier on.

The only character with a surprisingly solid and meaningful arc that plays out on-screen is Jimmy at this point. So anyway, I still really like the show and the individual scenes and moments are still fantastic, but the overall narrative and the plot beats have gone really downhill.

I don't know what's coming down the line for the second half of season 5, but I sincerely hope Beth gets the chopping block or at least taken down many, many pegs. The actress is terrific but the character is an utterly wretched psychopath that is never held to account.

cdgalwegian

I thought Yellowstone had been great up until end of season 3, but was starting to lose its luster by then. I gave up on it at the start of season 4 last year. It was just getting drawn out and silly.

i went on to 1883, which I finished recently; it is, as you say spectacular - achingly spectacular. There is another thread for that, but

Spoiler Warning

Elsa, despite her slightly off-putting voice-over, broke my heart.

JP Liz V1

https://tvline.com/news/yellowstone-kevin-costner-leaving-pay-dispute-creative-issues-taylor-sheridan-1235037212/#recipient_hashed=49b00039e5f61edfe3abcf37466868b2898d9ecdbe302c53abadaa28cca68d75&recipient_salt=382a55d2d253c8c7aa9dccd71aef8900e17191b3f29889b37958900b134e4a23

Costner speaks

Spon Farmer

I’m at the midway of season 4 and in the last episode I watched Rainwater and Monica are talking about Tate killing one of the attackers on the ranch.

I thought Tate just shot him (traumatic enough for the kid which is what I thought upset him) because I’m positive the guy was still moving and Lloyd was the one who killed him because there was gunshot from the house as Monica and Tate ran for the bunkhouse. As far as I can remember no one ever mentions Tate killing him until Rainwater and Monica talk about it.

Were these episodes filmed during CoVid restrictions? It is very strange that there is no scenes between John and Tate in the aftermath of all that especially since they are so close.

Season 4 has been a bit of a disappointment. We see Beth’s scars from the explosion but no one is talking about it, John not showing any emotion that Tate isn’t around, Jaime missing for entire episodes, and the spending so much time on Jimmy who is a supporting character and not even in the same state anymore.

Obviously this meant to set up the supposed 6666 spin off but I don’t see how - almost all the characters there are clearly played by people who are not professional actors. It has t shown me any reason to look forward to it.

Very frustrating. I wonder if this contributed to Costner wanting to leave the show?

corkie

What??!!

JP Liz V1

Yellowstone Spinoffs 1944 and 2024 Officially Ordered at Paramount

squonk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121316529#Comment_121316529

Ah for god’s sake! Just concentrate in one or two shows and do them well. Now nothing is being done week with ask these spinoff shows.

JP Liz V1

https://tvline.com/news/yellowstone-spinoff-kelly-reilly-cole-hauser-salary-standoff-explained-1235143159/#recipient_hashed=49b00039e5f61edfe3abcf37466868b2898d9ecdbe302c53abadaa28cca68d75&recipient_salt=382a55d2d253c8c7aa9dccd71aef8900e17191b3f29889b37958900b134e4a23&utm_medium=email&utm_source=exacttarget&utm_campaign=BreakingNews&utm_content=497076_02-05-2024&utm_term=309413

More Money Wanted

golfball37

Season one of deadwood is up there with anything that I’ve ever seen. It’s excellent

quidel7

Is Kevin Costner coming back to see out the show or what? It’s fairly dragging out at this stage.

Agent Coulson

Season 5 has started back filming

https://tvline.com/news/yellowstone-season-5-part-2-production-begins-1235244002/

nachouser

Seems like there's a lot to unpack re why it was delayed, but in other good news, it looks like Costner has his own set of Western films coming out. Horizon has an amazing cast.

https://www.avclub.com/kevin-costner-speaks-about-yellowstone-and-horizon-1851474445

Agent Coulson

The final part of the final season returns November 10th

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfgBswBq0WI&ab_channel=Yellowstone

robwen

https://youtu.be/0VfOJ-LNJuQ?si=158jAVy92lEnwgjJ

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