Tonights Boxing 3/3/18 (Wilder-Ortiz, Brook, Kovalev, Taylor etc)

Morrison J

Bivol and Barrera in the ring.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

What's the story with Uzcategui?

Is he Mexican based, as I think he's originally Venezuelan? One of his corner has the Venezuelan colours on.

He seems a likeable guy and he'd be a hard night's work for anyone at that weight.

Venezuelan boxer fighting out of Mexico I think? Not 100% sure.

He's a good fighter. Think Dirrell made him look a bit better than he is but he'd be game against most in 168 I think for sure.

Mandatory to the DeGale-Truax rematch winner.

megadodge

****, the heavies are in the ring already. I'm really enjoying watching Bivol, even though he's being made to work.

Decisions, decisions.

megadodge

Wilder up to his usual 'don't hit me whatever you do' antics. Ortiz can win a lot of rounds by not doing a whole lot, simply cos Wilder will be doing nothing.

Blanco100

Wilder is garbage. Even the basics of his punching technique are so bad.

Fury would box rings around him. Enjoys a huge reach advantage but doesn't know how to use it.

megadodge

This really is Ortiz's to lose, as long as he doesn't get careless. He's easily outboxing a non-boxer and the pace is easy.

Blanco100

No way Ortiz gets a fair shake here if it goes to cards. No money in him being END heavyweight champ. He will need a KO

megadodge

He got too cocky. Just keep outboxing Wilder and don't try anything fancy.

megadodge

I hope Ortiz didn't punch himself out.

ikeano29

Some fight

Big Ears

megadodge wrote: »

I hope Ortiz didn't punch himself out.

I'd say that's it for him. He was already looking tired.

EPAndlee

Ortiz for the ko now

Big Ears

Johnny Nelson must have some serious money on Wilder...

Blanco100

Big Ears wrote: »

Johnny Nelson must have some serious money on Wilder...

He backed Ortiz before the fight

megadodge

Even if Ortiz is tired, Wilder won't fight at a pace that will take it out of him.

0byme75341jo28

Blanco100 wrote: »

He backed Ortiz before the fight

Both Sky and Jonny have made no secret of the fact they want Wilder to win...

Blanco100

megadodge wrote: »

Even if Ortiz is tired, Wilder won't fight at a pace that will take it out of him.

He might have to. He's so raw it's unbelievable.

Wilder wins if it goes to cards

Blanco100

Aylin Tangy Spinach wrote: »

Both Sky and Jonny have made no secret of the fact they want Wilder to win...

Wilder is the money fight for Joshua.

ricero

Wilder has some gas tank

liamoreilly

...Wow...Just wow...

Morrison J

What a fight. Nothing but respect for Wilder taking that fight and doing the job. He really isn't very good at all and will get beat very soon but fair play.

0byme75341jo28

Fair play to Wilder but Jesus he's sickening...

megadodge

The worst thing is having to listen to him talking through his hole afterwards.

In fairness he did well to survive the 7th. Ortiz really should have finished him off, but paid the price.

Joshua all the way if they ever meet. He'll pressure him relentlessly and will land too often and I don't think he'll get caught up in any of the windmilling. It will be far more controlled which always suits the superior boxer.

Big Ears

Aylin Tangy Spinach wrote: »

Fair play to Wilder but Jesus he's sickening...

Almost as sickening as Adam Smith talking about 'The respect's after fights. It's got to the stage I think he gets sexual pleasure from fighters hugging !

megadodge

Kovalev on now.

Blanco100

Judges all had wilder ahead before KO.

Of course they did.

Rossi IRL

Wow, all judges had Wilder winning

Were they watching a different fight?

0byme75341jo28

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Wow, all judges had Wilder winning

Were they watching a different fight?

Was Ortiz ever going to be winning on the cards?

After hearing this I'm glad it didn't go to decision. I was shouting for Ortiz but as only a semi-casual fan I'm really put off the sport by the seemingly common dodgy decisions...

...or maybe it's just my untrained eye judging the rounds incorrectly? I could see a case for the fight being a tie up to the KO but no way could I have had Wilder ahead, I'll never claim to be an expert though.

Urindanger

So it turns out Wilder has a chin on him as well as a tonne of heart. That comeback was as impressive as Joshua vs Klitschko. The fight is very interesting. I'm not sure Joshua punches much harder than Ortiz, and I'm not sure he's a better boxer either. Wilder just needs to hurt him once and he wins. His unorthodox swinging makes him an incredible finisher. Like all jokes aside how the f*ck do you defend against that? Shame Ortiz is only coming into prominence in his 60s, God knows how good he was in his 20s.

titan18

Johnny Nelson said some amount of stupid sh1t last night. His commentary on Dirrell - Uzcategui and Wilder - Ortiz was actually ridiculous. Made it very hard to watch the fights.

normanoffside

Really enjoyed that fight. Excitement in the Heavyweights is great for boxing.

Mantis Toboggan

Fair play to wilder for taking the fight. Ortiz is a tough awkward opponent with good skills. Was a very risky fight.

Thought he was overly cautious early on and the slow tempo was suiting Ortiz. Upped it a few gears in the middle rounds at started to get on top. Done amazingly well to stay on his feet in the 7th, really thought he was gone at that stage.

Ortiz probably punched himself out in the 7th while going for the kill. Showed great resolve to come back and get the ko and that will give him lots of confidence especially with his chin passing the test.

He's likely to get out boxed by most at this level but he's got dynamite for fists and that's the big equaliser. Beyond me how the judges had wilder ahead on the cards though.

walshb

Several difficult to score rds. You could argue for Ortiz, but he was hardly taking the early rds by the scruff..overall he was poor I thought. Had a couple of intense attacks and then gassed...sad state of affairs for so called elite..

Wilder has some reach and range...

He gets a lot of stick, but you won’t beat this lad any way easily...

Mad sloppy finish, but a finish nonetheless..he has that power that hurts even when a lot of his shots don’t even fully connect.

Overall an ok fight...

Pluto Planet

walshb wrote: »

Several difficult to score rds. You could argue for Ortiz, but he was hardly taking the early rds by the scruff..overall he was poor I thought. Had a couple of intense attacks and then gassed...sad state of affairs for so called elite..

Wilder has some reach and range...

He gets a lot of stick, but you won’t beat this lad any way easily...

Mad sloppy finish, but a finish nonetheless..he has that power that hurts even when a lot of his shots don’t even fully connect.

Overall an ok fight...

Are you aware of the concept that elite level boxers can cancel each other out?

walshb

Pluto Planet wrote: »

Are you aware of the concept that elite level boxers can cancel each other out?

Yes...

Ortiz for me was poor...best (or one of) of what’s around today, I get that..

Just can’t get excited by a guy who goes 6/7 fairly tame rds, then opens up a bit for a rd or so and is out on his feet...that is what he gave us last night.

liamoreilly

titan18 wrote: »

Johnny Nelson said some amount of stupid sh1t last night. His commentary on Dirrell - Uzcategui and Wilder - Ortiz was actually ridiculous. Made it very hard to watch the fights.

...This!!!...Was extremely tempted to mute my tv last night, he's gotta be the most annoying commentator in boxing... He must have repeated the same dribble about 30 times during the wilder fight...

nacho libre

Wilder is a poor boxer. He has a huge reach yet it was largely ineffective against Ortiz. Fury will box rings around him if they ever fight.
If Ortiz was a bit fitter he would have ended it in round 8

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

Wilder is a poor boxer. He has a huge reach yet it was largely ineffective against Ortiz. Fury will box rings around him if they ever fight.
If Ortiz was a bit fitter he would have ended it in round 8

Can you honestly say that Fury won't get nailed clean for 36 minutes?

What happens when he does?

You'd swear that Fury was Pea Whitaker on defense. Smaller less dangerous men found his chin and rocked him and dropped him.

The man has done nothing in 3 years apart from smack and junk food....

And he's going to come back and walk rings around Wilder?

Blanco100

walshb wrote: »

Can you honestly say that Fury won't get nailed clean for 36 minutes?

What happens when he does?

You'd swear that Fury was Pea Whitaker on defense. Smaller less dangerous men found his chin and rocked him and dropped him.

The man has done nothing in 3 years apart from smack and junk food....

And he's going to come back and walk rings around Wilder?

I think Fury needs a fight or 2 to blow away the cobwebs. When he is fit and focused he outpoints Wilder with ease. Just my opinion.

I agree with your analysis of Wilder in terms of having power to hurt a guy even when shots don't land properly. He enjoys a big reach advantage also.

I'm not Furys biggest fan, but the guy hasn't shipped much punishment in his later fights. He is a cute enough fighter and has more than enough in his arsenal to outpoint Wilder.

Joshua v Wilder will be a decent event now, can see both guys hit the canvas, Wilder's reach will make it interesting, but the guy is just too raw and crude to be taken completely seriously.

There is no signature heavyweight who stands out above the rest in my opinion. 10 years ago you could see Wlad was the stand out fighter (apart from his brother) but Joshua, Fury, Wilder are all much of a muchness.

At a stretch id place Fury top of the pile, but the guy has his own personal issues aswell that will stop him going places unfortunately. Next in line i'd have Joshua, who is neither as good as his biggest supporters would say, nor is he as bad as his biggest critics would have you believe.

walshb

Blanco100 wrote: »

I agree with your analysis of Wilder in terms of having power to hurt a guy even when shots don't land properly. He enjoys a big reach advantage also.

And this is what I see. Wilder has height and reach and wow power. Those 3 combined are very bad for Fury. He is tall enough and rangy enough to not have to have too much trouble to connect on Fury, who has been used to fighting far shorter men.

No freaking way Fury avoids getting hit clean for 36 minutes.....no way.....and when he does he'll be taken out on a stretcher...

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

And this is what I see. Wilder has height and reach and wow power. Those 3 combined are very bad for Fury. He is tall enough and rangy enough to not have to have too much trouble to connect on Fury, who has been used to fighting far shorter men.

No freaking way Fury avoids getting hit clean for 36 minutes.....no way.....and when he does he'll be taken out on a stretcher...

Wilder doesn't have height or reach over Fury...

Wilder looked lost at times against the southpaw Ortiz. Looked very hesitant. I can't imagine how he'll deal with Fury switching stances. I'd definitely favour a fully fit Fury to last 12 and beat Wilder. Can Wilder knock him out if he lands clean? Obviousy but there's no real analysis in that. Wilder lands clean on anyone and he can knock them out. Easier said then done against a fully fit and motivated Fury though.

Actually think Fury prob knocks him out.

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

Wilder doesn't have height or reach over Fury...

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I never claimed this.

But he does have a lot of height and reach and power......that was my point. Game changing one shot power, and the height and reach and spite to throw it and likely land with it.

No way he doesn't land.....Look at some of the clowns that did land and did trouble Fury........His only hope of not getting hit clean is to stink the joint out and lose wide on points because he doesn't throw punches because of the fear of getting knocked out.

Fury hasn't a fooking prayer. I'm telling you.....I'll have to sticky this post, in the hope that Fury even gets close to his prime level for the fight to even happen. I'd be shocked if Fury had the balls to even take the fight.

Blanco100

walshb wrote: »

I never claimed this.

But he does have a lot of height and reach and power......that was my point. Game changing one shot power, and the height and reach and spite to throw it and likely land with it.

No way he doesn't land.....Look at some of the clowns that did land and did trouble Fury........His only hope of not getting hit clean is to stink the joint out and lose wide on points because he doesn't throw punches because of the fear of getting knocked out.

Fury hasn't a fooking prayer. I'm telling you.....I'll have to sticky this post, in the hope that Fury even gets close to his prime level for the fight to even happen. I'd be shocked if Fury had the balls to even take the fight.

Are you deliberately taking on the role of contrarion again Walshb?

You have developed a soft spot for Wilder over the course of the weekend.

For what it's worth I don't think Wilder can take any great praise in passing a so called gut check against a supposedly near 50 year old dude in Ortiz. He looked absolutely petrified of being hit, something Fury is afraid of himself.

In a fight between both I'd fancy fury to be better at not getting hit.

Even Joshua would be heavily fancied to KO wilder. Both guys survived Wlad who even at 40 years old posed a way bigger threat than Wilder did.

He won't get away with winding up with his windmill of a right hand. And despite his protests the other night the guy cannot fight on inside. He gives away rounds looking for a KO and as you step up in quality fighters like this get found out.

Fury by comfortable points decision. It's not even close.

Wilder v Joshua is more interesting and far more exciting. But I'd still heavily favour Joshua on basis of being more polished fighter. But Wilder does have punchers chance, and there's every chance AJ could gas (wilder is the better athlete)

Wilder even acknowledged himself that Fury is a tougher fight but that AJ is the money fight

normanoffside

Just on the scoring.
All of the judges gave Wilder the 2nd.
One of them gave him the 3rd as well while the other two gave him the 4th so all of them had it even after 4.
The commentators all had Ortiz 4 up after 4. This pretty much is the reason why Wilder was up on the scorecard at the end as The other rounds were scored pretty much as per Skysports.
All 3 judges gave Ortiz a 10-8 in rd 7.

It’d be worth watching the first 4 rounds again. I remember not much happening. In the end it was academic anyway.

normanoffside

It hasn’t been mentioned much.
How did everyone see the Kovalev and Bivol fights?

Kovalev was his usual dominating self against a weak opponent although his power didn’t seem as effective as usual.
Bivol was very impressive against a strong opponent in Barrera.

Kovalev vs Bivol would be a very interesting fight. I think I’d be siding slightly with Bivol.

walshb

Blanco100 wrote: »

Are you deliberately taking on the role of contrarion again Walshb

Hardly contrarian in picking a 6 feet 7 inch proven power puncher to score a KO over a man dropped and hurt several times by far lesser physical men...and a man inactive for three years who’s been abusing his body..

I’d be hugely surprised if I was one of only a very few to think that Wilder gets the KO...

Unless you’d prefer I lie and say that I think Fury beats him? Just to what, not be contrarian?

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

I never claimed this.

But he does have a lot of height and reach and power......that was my point. Game changing one shot power, and the height and reach and spite to throw it and likely land with it.

No way he doesn't land.....Look at some of the clowns that did land and did trouble Fury........His only hope of not getting hit clean is to stink the joint out and lose wide on points because he doesn't throw punches because of the fear of getting knocked out.

Fury hasn't a fooking prayer. I'm telling you.....I'll have to sticky this post, in the hope that Fury even gets close to his prime level for the fight to even happen. I'd be shocked if Fury had the balls to even take the fight.

Bit outrageous saying Fury hasn't a prayer when he's literally streets ahead of Wilder technically in my opinion but hopefully we'll see.

You also said Saunders would be fine against Lemieux till he got punched in the face but he never got touched. I'll take skills over power every day of the week.

See the first 4 rounds of Wilder-Ortiz? Wilder completely afraid to commit, waiting for Ortiz to make a mistake and losing rounds in the process. The fight would be like that for 12 rounds only Wilder would eventually open up late on, get countered and probably knocked out by Fury.

Morrison J

normanoffside wrote: »

It hasn’t been mentioned much.
How did everyone see the Kovalev and Bivol fights?

Kovalev was his usual dominating self against a weak opponent although his power didn’t seem as effective as usual.
Bivol was very impressive against a strong opponent in Barrera.

Kovalev vs Bivol would be a very interesting fight. I think I’d be siding slightly with Bivol.

Bivol is legit. Maybe the best fighter in the division. I think he'd stop Kovalev.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

Bivol is legit. Maybe the best fighter in the division. I think he'd stop Kovalev.

Funny, but watching the other night my overriding impression was 'he's not ready for Kovalev yet'.

He certainly is an entertaining fighter to watch, with beautiful balance and perfect compact punching, but.... the fact that he's always right there in the pocket means he's gonna get hit. He has an aggressive mindset that wants to hit back no matter what's coming his way, when there's times he should be just slipping and blocking and even occasionally moving away. I think Kovalev's superb straight punching and most especially his brilliant and under-appreciated jab would cause big problems for Bivol. If he had another 3-4 fights against good opposition like Barrera and better I'd pick him then, but just not yet.

No matter when they fight it would be very entertaining.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

Funny, but watching the other night my overriding impression was 'he's not ready for Kovalev yet'.

He certainly is an entertaining fighter to watch, with beautiful balance and perfect compact punching, but.... the fact that he's always right there in the pocket means he's gonna get hit. He has an aggressive mindset that wants to hit back no matter what's coming his way, when there's times he should be just slipping and blocking and even occasionally moving away. I think Kovalev's superb straight punching and most especially his brilliant and under-appreciated jab would cause big problems for Bivol. If he had another 3-4 fights against good opposition like Barrera and better I'd pick him then, but just not yet.

No matter when they fight it would be very entertaining.

I just don't see Kovalev as the killer he once was. The fear factor is gone and I'd actually label him as fragile. Bivol head hunted a lot against Barrera which would be a worry but I still think he'd get to Kovalev who doesn't have the gas tank to stay with a pressure fighter like him for 12. Obviously Kovalev has the power to hurt him at any point so I'm saying with with no real confidence but I'm favouring Bivol for sure.

I thought Kovalev looked very sloppy at the weekend. He doesn't have a trainer and he listens to nobody anyway. Apparently only sparring bang average fighters over in Russia to train. I think he's nearing the time to go to be honest and he can be food to someone coming through like Bivol. We'll see.