Diesel renaissance - says VW!

vectra

KCross wrote: »

I haven't read anything about Ford EV's. Any links?
Ford appears to be one of the more tuned out manufacturers when it comes to EV's.

There is a Focus EV but never sold here.

Here >> https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1118489_2020-ford-electric-suv-spy-shots

Sabre Man

KCross wrote: »

I haven't read anything about Ford EV's. Any links?
Ford appears to be one of the more tuned out manufacturers when it comes to EV's.

There is a Focus EV but never sold here.

They're apparently also making one based on the Mustang.
https://www.motor1.com/news/265081/ford-mustang-inspired-ev-teaser/

KCross

vectra wrote: »

Here >> https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1118489_2020-ford-electric-suv-spy-shots

Sabre Man wrote: »

They're apparently also making one based on the Mustang.
https://www.motor1.com/news/265081/ford-mustang-inspired-ev-teaser/

All sounds very US based though.

What about a Mondeo or Kuga EV?

vectra

KCross wrote: »

All sounds very US based though.

What about a Mondeo or Kuga EV?

Mondeo Hybrid at the moment

FGR

I'm currently driving a diesel and often look up news for EVs. What puts me off (aside from range anxiety) is the fact that the battery will eventually have to be replaced at significant expense.

Is there any plan amongst manufacturers to address that problem?

Sabre Man

Tesla's batteries seem to last a long time.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/16/tesla-battery-packs-live-longer/

raxy

Sabre Man wrote: »

Tesla's batteries seem to last a long time.
https://www.engadget.com/2018/04/16/tesla-battery-packs-live-longer/

Trying to make up for poor reliability maybe?
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018-11/

Sabre Man

raxy wrote: »

Trying to make up for poor reliability maybe?
https://www.whatcar.com/news/reliability-survey-2018-11/

Apparently based on only 28 replies.

_Brian

ELM327 wrote: »

I suppose if petrol is the answer we will all run out and buy V8 sedans now?
It doesn't matter if someone is driving diesel or petrol or lpg or CNG or turf lol it's all the same, fossil fuel non renewable. Pollutant.


If you're not driving a BEV powered by domestic/commercial PV or other renewable energy, or hydrogen produced on site by solar powered electrolysis then you are part of the problem.


My EV is powered by predominantly renewable energy (the 80 odd percent I charge at work is all renewables) and the 20% on the ecars grid is subject to grid mix.


Sorry for the long rant but I hate this media bias of picking one fossil fuel over the other, they are both bad for the environment as each other, in slightly different ways.

There’s an awful mix of ignorance and arrogance in that post.
We don’t have the infrastructure nor the range of vehicle options at present for everyone to switch over, and I expect it won’t be available for maybe 10-15 years.

To prove a point.

I drive in excess of 40k km a year as I use my vehicle for work along with leisure, few times a week i tow a trailer up to 1.5 ton, and recreationally we tow our caravan regularly which is 1.5ton also.

There isn’t a charge point within 5km of my office and I drove to maybe 4-5 work sites a day.

Our vehicles are used on our small farm too.

Can you recommend an EV or similar I can buy for €19k, because that’s what my current 152 Kuga cost. It will need to do all of the above tasks and I can’t be stopping to charge during the day either.

_Brian

I had a quick look on DoneDeal there.

The cheapest Tesla on offer is €50k !

Get a grip people, this isn’t a alternative to diesel. This is a car for yuppies (yes I’m using a term from the 80’s) to own as a status symbol of how better they are than those diesel Jockies beneath them.

vectra

_Brian wrote: »

I had a quick look on DoneDeal there.

The cheapest Tesla on offer is €50k !

Get a grip people, this isn’t a alternative to diesel. This is a car for yuppies (yes I’m using a term from the 80’s) to own as a status symbol of how better they are than those diesel Jockies beneath them.

Exactly my thoughts,
Who in the name of god among "normal" car buyers could afford 80-100k for an electric car.
Absolute nuts.

Sabre Man

There are cheaper alternatives, like the Renault Zoe, Nissan Leaf, Hyundai Ioniq, VW e-Golf and BMW i3.

Yes, they do cost more initially but if you can charge at home you could be saving thousands of euros per year compared to a diesel car. Motor tax is only €120 and public charging is still free.

There is also less service needed. No DPF filters, timing belts, clutches, oil changes etc.

_Brian

Sabre Man wrote: »

There are cheaper alternatives, like the Renault Zoe, Nissan Leaf, Hyundai Ioniq, VW e-Golf and BMW i3.

Yes, they do cost more initially but if you can charge at home you could be saving thousands of euros per year compared to a diesel car. Motor tax is only €120 and public charging is still free.

There is also less service needed. No DPF filters, timing belts, clutches, oil changes etc.

Which one can safely and comfortably tow 1.5ton for 200km without needing charging, and sufficient space for a family of four ?

DublinDilbert

_Brian wrote: »

Which one can safely and comfortably tow 1.5ton for 200km without needing charging, and sufficient space for a family of four ?

Mitsubishi outlander would be a good option there, although the towing capacity is slightly less than 1.5tons, not sure to the lack of power but to keep the combined weight less than 3.5tons.

_Brian

DublinDilbert wrote: »

Mitsubishi outlander would be a good option there, although the towing capacity is slightly less than 1.5tons, not sure to the lack of power but to keep the combined weight less than 3.5tons.

I checked before, isn’t the electric range something like 40km them it’s a petrol ??

KCross

_Brian wrote: »

We don’t have the infrastructure nor the range of vehicle options at present for everyone to switch over, and I expect it won’t be available for maybe 10-15 years.

To prove a point.

I drive in excess of 40k km a year as I use my vehicle for work along with leisure, few times a week i tow a trailer up to 1.5 ton, and recreationally we tow our caravan regularly which is 1.5ton also.

There isn’t a charge point within 5km of my office and I drove to maybe 4-5 work sites a day.

Our vehicles are used on our small farm too.

Can you recommend an EV or similar I can buy for €19k, because that’s what my current 152 Kuga cost. It will need to do all of the above tasks and I can’t be stopping to charge during the day either.

There is no affordable EV that meets your requirements and won’t for quite some time. I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise.

However, your requirements aren’t the majority and not the people that the first wave of EVs are targeted at. You will need your diesel tow wagon for awhile yet.

vectra

KCross wrote: »

There is no affordable EV that meets your requirements and won’t for quite some time. I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise.

However, your requirements aren’t the majority and not the people that the first wave of EVs are targeted at. You will need your diesel tow wagon for awhile yet.

Well,
I don't Tow anything,
But I do take fairly regular trips to my son that lives 297kms from me.
I would have to make quite a few charge stops I reckon which would make it a very long trip.
Even though on regular terms I do very small mileage.
That trip would annoy me no end.

Leonard Hofstadter

I do about 7,000 miles a year so fuel costs aren't exactly a big deal for me (it's one of the reasons why I daily a 2.5 petrol) - but like vectra a lot of my driving is long distance, as in Dublin to Cork, Kerry or Limerick. No EV can get me to Cork in 2.5 hours or to North Kerry in 3 hours, like my 15 year old car can, so I'll be sticking with ICE for a long time yet (and that's before we get to the small matter of the sheer joy there is to be had from driving a rear wheel drive petrol).

KCross

vectra wrote: »

KCross wrote: »

There is no affordable EV that meets your requirements and won’t for quite some time. I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise.

However, your requirements aren’t the majority and not the people that the first wave of EVs are targeted at. You will need your diesel tow wagon for awhile yet.

Well,
I don't Tow anything,
But I do take fairly regular trips to my son that lives 297kms from me.
I would have to make quite a few charge stops I reckon which would make it a very long trip.
Even though on regular terms I do very small mileage.
That trip would annoy me no end.

New EV’s (Kona, Niro) can do that without stopping but you would have to buy new as the first gen EVs won’t do 300km without stops.

When those EVs hit the s/h market you will have an EV option then.

KCross

captainspeed wrote: »

I do about 7,000 miles a year so fuel costs aren't exactly a big deal for me (it's one of the reasons why I daily a 2.5 petrol) - but like vectra a lot of my driving is long distance, as in Dublin to Cork, Kerry or Limerick. No EV can get me to Cork in 2.5 hours or to North Kerry in 3 hours, like my 15 year old car can, so I'll be sticking with ICE for a long time yet...

As last post, kona and Niro will. Probably not worthwhile buying one of those new for 7000 miles but long range in an EV is available already.

They just need to appear in large numbers and make their way into the s/h market. It will take a few more years unfortunately.

vectra

KCross wrote: »

New EV’s (Kona, Niro) can do that without stopping but you would have to buy new as the first gen EVs won’t do 300km without stops.

When those EVs hit the s/h market you will have an EV option then.

2 things


1)

I wouldn't be seen dead in one of those cars.


2)

How much do they cost?

KCross

vectra wrote: »

KCross wrote: »

New EV’s (Kona, Niro) can do that without stopping but you would have to buy new as the first gen EVs won’t do 300km without stops.

When those EVs hit the s/h market you will have an EV option then.

2 things


1)

I wouldn't be seen dead in one of those cars.


2)

How much do they cost?

Well, I can’t help you with that!

I was just countering the comment that no EV can do 300km without a stop.

What brand would you be seen dead in?
VW? They will have long range EVs around 2022, maybe sooner.

BMW should have something by then as well. I mentioned the Kona and Niro because they are rolling off manufacturing lines right now.

vectra

KCross wrote: »

Well, I can’t help you with that!

I was just countering the comment that no EV can do 300km without a stop.

What brand would you be seen dead in?
VW? They will have long range EVs around 2022, maybe sooner.

BMW should have something by then as well. I mentioned the Kona and Niro because they are rolling off manufacturing lines right now.

Probably a Hearse, But gladly I am not ready for that spin just yet :pac::pac:

Yes, But a 300km trip really needs to be done in something that you are happy with,
Not just any ould yoke.

Shefwedfan

KCross wrote: »

Well, I can’t help you with that!

I was just countering the comment that no EV can do 300km without a stop.

What brand would you be seen dead in?
VW? They will have long range EVs around 2022, maybe sooner.

BMW should have something by then as well. I mentioned the Kona and Niro because they are rolling off manufacturing lines right now.

2022?


The Neo will be in showrooms next year and in your driveway in 2020


Also the Audi SUV is already taking order.....

Nickindublin

The biggest issue is what the average buyer can afford to pay. What's the average price paid for a car in Ireland 10k? Electric cars wont be affordable to the masses for many years unless there is massive production of affordable electric cars in the very near future which I don't see.

Lets take the VW Golf for example. VW release a model that can do 300km on a single charge and I mean real world range in 2021. Price 40k. It will be 2026 by the time that car is affordable for the average buyer if they are lucky. How many will be sold though in 2021 though?

_Brian

So.
It seems that what we’ve extrapolated from the discussion is that there are ev and infrastructure available for a modest portion of the motoring community who have short hop journies, small space requirements and are happy with the “style” of the current gen of Ev.

Yes more range is being developed and possibly larger vehicles with longer range are on the horison but not yet available.

Infrastructure is currently in its infancy here and as numbers of vehicles increase I can see it being a problem, I can not see free public charging continuing, how could it.

Sales of diesels will fall, it must because diesels were being sold tonfar too many motorists who didn’t need them.

It’s very important that people understand that diesel cars are essential to the country for probably 15years to come probably more. We should restrain from taxing the ass of diesels and diesel fuel because alternative options aren’t there and won’t be for quite some time, they are coming, but not here as an alternative now.

Shefwedfan

_Brian wrote: »

So.
It seems that what we’ve extrapolated from the discussion is that there are ev and infrastructure available for a modest portion of the motoring community who have short hop journies, small space requirements and are happy with the “style” of the current gen of Ev.

Yes more range is being developed and possibly larger vehicles with longer range are on the horison but not yet available.

Infrastructure is currently in its infancy here and as numbers of vehicles increase I can see it being a problem, I can not see free public charging continuing, how could it.

Sales of diesels will fall, it must because diesels were being sold tonfar too many motorists who didn’t need them.

It’s very important that people understand that diesel cars are essential to the country for probably 15years to come probably more. We should restrain from taxing the ass of diesels and diesel fuel because alternative options aren’t there and won’t be for quite some time, they are coming, but not here as an alternative now.

Diesel is not essential to Ireland. It never should have been and should be kicked out of here ASAP....


Diesel is for tractors, trucks etc.....The sooner the ass gets taxed out of it the better.

Electric cars is one option. Hybrid etc are all available. We are one of the smallest countries in Europe and in the World but we have had one of the highest concentrations of diesel. Every other country has alternatives.....


The death of diesel cannot come too soon for me


Please note I drive a diesel as well as electric.

_Brian

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Diesel is not essential to Ireland. It never should have been and should be kicked out of here ASAP....


Diesel is for tractors, trucks etc.....The sooner the ass gets taxed out of it the better.

Electric cars is one option. Hybrid etc are all available. We are one of the smallest countries in Europe and in the World but we have had one of the highest concentrations of diesel. Every other country has alternatives.....


The death of diesel cannot come too soon for me


Please note I drive a diesel as well as electric.

It’s a juvenile view.

Tax something out of existence when there is no real alternative, creating cost and hardship on people.

Philb76

_Brian wrote: »

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Diesel is not essential to Ireland. It never should have been and should be kicked out of here ASAP....


Diesel is for tractors, trucks etc.....The sooner the ass gets taxed out of it the better.

Electric cars is one option. Hybrid etc are all available. We are one of the smallest countries in Europe and in the World but we have had one of the highest concentrations of diesel. Every other country has alternatives.....


The death of diesel cannot come too soon for me


Please note I drive a diesel as well as electric.

It’s a juvenile view.

Tax something out of existence when there is no real alternative, creating cost and hardship on people.

Well said but as long as he's alright feck everyone else an absolute moron he posts the same boring spiel and condescending s***e but it's grand cos he has a diesel as well

KCross

_Brian wrote: »

It’s a juvenile view.

Tax something out of existence when there is no real alternative, creating cost and hardship on people.

Isn't petrol and hybrid an alternative?