Ex RTÉ producer sentenced to 18 months in prison

Strazdas

McCrack wrote: »

But you see the right of arrest in a public place exists

Refer to Section 4 of the Criminal Law Act 1997

Use of information and communication technology to facilitate sexual exploitation of child is an offence under the Criminal Law (Sexual Offences) Act 2017 punishable on indictment up to 14 years - therefore it is an "arrestable offence" - therefore any person/s can detain/arrest another person in a public place for this offence.

Catching someone who has just mugged somebody on the street or carried out a violent assault and with who there is a serious chance they might get away and never be identified is one thing.

Setting yourself up as a private police force, amassing evidence and then detaining or effectively 'arresting' people on the street is quite another. What if the person you detain turns out to be innocent? It means you have unlawfully imprisoned them for a period, as well as intimidated and harassed them.

AllForIt

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

I wonder will he be able to refrain from swearing?

Check out these numbskulls on LBC just last week.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/paedophile-vigilante-group-dark-justice-lbc/

I was rather surprised by this lowbrow interview by James O'Brien. For example he enquired as to what they did before they became hunters and they said they ran a media company. Pfff...they can hardly speak properly. Check out how they explain how they get away with using pics of young girls used for the entrapment - if you can understand a word they are saying - like. They seem to be very well supported on the legal side of things because they hardly figured out all that by themselves did they. It's almost like someone is putting them up to it.

McCrack

Strazdas wrote: »

Catching someone who has just mugged somebody on the street or carried out a violent assault and with who there is a serious chance they might get away and never be identified is one thing.

Setting yourself up as a private police force, amassing evidence and then detaining or effectively 'arresting' people on the street is quite another. What if the person you detain turns out to be innocent? It means you have unlawfully imprisoned them for a period, as well as intimidated and harassed them.

Remedies exist both civil and criminal for false imprisonment and defamation.

I was simply pointing out that the actions of these groups are perfectly lawful and they can exercise powers of arrest - in fact any person can once an arrestable offence has been commited and as Ive said using technology to facilitate sexual exploitation of a child is an arrestable offence.

end of the road

AllForIt wrote: »

Check out these numbskulls on LBC just last week.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/paedophile-vigilante-group-dark-justice-lbc/

I was rather surprised by this lowbrow interview by James O'Brien. For example he enquired as to what they did before they became hunters and they said they ran a media company. Pfff...they can hardly speak properly. Check out how they explain how they get away with using pics of young girls used for the entrapment - if you can understand a word they are saying - like. They seem to be very well supported on the legal side of things because they hardly figured out all that by themselves did they. It's almost like someone is putting them up to it.

i never thought of that possibility. who would be putting them up to it and supporting them i wonder?

Hector Savage

AllForIt wrote: »

Check out these numbskulls on LBC just last week.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/paedophile-vigilante-group-dark-justice-lbc/

I was rather surprised by this lowbrow interview by James O'Brien. For example he enquired as to what they did before they became hunters and they said they ran a media company. Pfff...they can hardly speak properly. Check out how they explain how they get away with using pics of young girls used for the entrapment - if you can understand a word they are saying - like. They seem to be very well supported on the legal side of things because they hardly figured out all that by themselves did they. It's almost like someone is putting them up to it.

Says it all, look at them wearing the masks - total and utter scum.

He can barely articulate himself here, just some toerag that wants to feel big - he doesn't give a **** about the kids.

Strazdas

McCrack wrote: »

Remedies exist both civil and criminal for false imprisonment and defamation.

I was simply pointing out that the actions of these groups are perfectly lawful and they can exercise powers of arrest - in fact any person can once an arrestable offence has been commited and as Ive said using technology to facilitate sexual exploitation of a child is an arrestable offence.

There is still only one legitimate police force. The real police want nothing to do with vigilantes.In Northern Ireland, the PSNI have taken to prosecuting such vigilantes and have warned other such groups to desist from their activities immediately and that their actions may be criminal.

1hnr79jr65

he didnt get enough time in jail.

Flippyfloppy

Strazdas wrote: »

There is still only one legitimate police force. The real police want nothing to do with vigilantes.In Northern Ireland, the PSNI have taken to prosecuting such vigilantes and have warned other such groups to desist from their activities immediately and that their actions may be criminal.

Regarding vigilantes, dont such groups resort to violence? I haven't seen any 'paedophile hunters' resort to violence, just stand there and pass time usually >45mins) until the Gardai arrive.

pilly

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

Regarding vigilantes, dont such groups resort to violence? I haven't seen any 'paedophile hunters' resort to violence, just stand there and pass time usually >45mins) until the Gardai arrive.

I wouldn't call what they do pass time. They usually verbally abuse the person constantly for that 45 minutes. Not that the paedos don't deserve it but I'm not sure of the merits of live broadcasting it all.

Flippyfloppy

pilly wrote: »

I wouldn't call what they do pass time. They usually verbally abuse the person constantly for that 45 minutes. Not that the paedos don't deserve it but I'm not sure of the merits of live broadcasting it all.

That's true, I have heard verbal abuse from some of them.

I find it irritating that in places like the U.S. you can enter in any postcode to their sex offender website and instantly see if there is (and there always is) sex offenders in your area.

I know what the groups are doing isn't 100% right but in the absence of a public sex offenders register, and as I personally know of young teenagers exploited via the internet who received SFA help from the Gardai in the matters, I'm glad of these groups presence in a way. Hoping it will lead to some changes down the line!

pilly

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

That's true, I have heard verbal abuse from some of them.

I find it irritating that in places like the U.S. you can enter in any postcode to their sex offender website and instantly see if there is (and there always is) sex offenders in your area.

I know what the groups are doing isn't 100% right but in the absence of a public sex offenders register, and as I personally know of young teenagers exploited via the internet who received SFA help from the Gardai in the matters, I'm glad of these groups presence in a way. Hoping it will lead to some changes down the line!

So if there are sex offenders in every single area what's the point in knowing?

ohnonotgmail

pilly wrote: »

So if there are sex offenders in every single area what's the point in knowing?

would you not like to know that some person down the road is a sex offender so you can make sure your kids are kept away from them?

pilly

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you not like to know that some person down the road is a sex offender so you can make sure your kids are kept away from them?

I'm not actually sure tbh, if what the poster says is true and they're in every area then I think it's then more about keeping your kids safe from strangers in general which I think most mums do.

I wouldn't like the paranoia that goes with constantly watching one person. It's about watching your kids.

ohnonotgmail

pilly wrote: »

I'm not actually sure tbh, if what the poster says is true and they're in every area then I think it's then more about keeping your kids safe from strangers in general which I think most mums do.

I wouldn't like the paranoia that goes with constantly watching one person. It's about watching your kids.

you are assuming that they are all strangers. You wouldn't like to know if somebody that you were acquainted with was a sex offender?

pilly

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are assuming that they are all strangers. You wouldn't like to know if somebody that you were acquainted with was a sex offender?

Yeah, fair point.

Feisar

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

grooming a child is an offence in itself.

In this instance there was no child though. So may I ask, what did is the actual offence here?

I'm in no way trying to defend this lad or say he shouldn't be locked up. I'm just trying to understand the actual crime committed.

splinter65

pilly wrote: »

So if there are sex offenders in every single area what's the point in knowing?

There’s no point. For every identified sex offender in your area there’s loads more that are operating under the radar hoping not to get caught.
If everyone just made sure that they knew where their kids are and who they are with and didn’t leave them unattended in the company of adults they don’t know then paedophiles couldn’t act.

ohnonotgmail

Feisar wrote: »

In this instance there was no child though. So may I ask, what did is the actual offence here?

I'm in no way trying to defend this lad or say he shouldn't be locked up. I'm just trying to understand the actual crime committed.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2017/act/2/section/8/enacted/en/html#sec8

If the offender thinks they are communicating with a child that is sufficient.

pilly

splinter65 wrote:

There’s no point. For every identified sex offender in your area there’s loads more that are operating under the radar hoping not to get caught. If everyone just made sure that they knew where their kids are and who they are with and didn’t leave them unattended in the company of adults they don’t know then paedophiles couldn’t act.

Agree but as was pointed out above it could easily be someone you do know.

splinter65

pilly wrote: »

Agree but as was pointed out above it could easily be someone you do know.

I have one child a girl now aged 20. I welcomed all her friends into our house for all these years. My husband, her father, managed to never ever find himself alone in a room with anyone else’s child.
The parents of these kids would consider I suppose that they know us.
My own daughter went to other people’s houses of course but from she was very young she knew that no one was allowed to put their hands on her under any circumstances, ever, and that no matter what anyone else said , she could tell me absolutely anything including that she’d murdered someone and that I’d sort it all out.

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

would you not like to know that some person down the road is a sex offender so you can make sure your kids are kept away from them?

What about the sex offenders in the area that nobody knows about? At least the known sex offenders are being somewhat monitored ,remotely, by AGS?

Flippyfloppy

pilly wrote: »

So if there are sex offenders in every single area what's the point in knowing?

In the U.S. there seems to be offenders in every area. I'm not suggesting people leaving kids with every and anyone who doesn't appear on the sex offenders register. I do think the sex offenders register is a good idea...why not be aware that they pose a threat to children?

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are assuming that they are all strangers. You wouldn't like to know if somebody that you were acquainted with was a sex offender?

If you don’t leave your dependent kids alone with other adults then you don’t have to worry.

ohnonotgmail

splinter65 wrote: »

What about the sex offenders in the area that nobody knows about?

The more information you have the better precautions you can take. i would have thought that was obvious.

splinter65 wrote: »

At least the known sex offenders are being somewhat monitored ,remotely, by AGS?

they are? they are free to move around. I would be beyond shocked if the gardai were monitoring them at all. In what way do you think the gardai can monitor them?

pilly

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

In the U.S. there seems to be offenders in every area. I'm not suggesting people leaving kids with every and anyone who doesn't appear on the sex offenders register. I do think the sex offenders register is a good idea...why not be aware that they pose a threat to children?

Because it leads to paranoia. Also attacks and intimidation. Do you honestly think Irish people with access to that information wouldn't attack people? And they can always get it mixed up and attack innocent people.

ohnonotgmail

splinter65 wrote: »

If you don’t leave your dependent kids alone with other adults then you don’t have to worry.

unless you are standing next to them 24 hours a day you cant guarantee that.

Flippyfloppy

pilly wrote: »

Because it leads to paranoia. Also attacks and intimidation. Do you honestly think Irish people with access to that information wouldn't attack people? And they can always get it mixed up and attack innocent people.

The flipside of that argument is that by not making the public aware of them leaves them free to attack/abuse other kids. Why should they get to serve half of a Medicore, concurrent sentence, and rock out of jail ready to groom a new set of victims.

In my opinion, the laws and legislations surrounding the whole area of sexual abuse in Ireland is archaic, and stems from a time when some higher ups turned a blind eye to paedophilia. I think the laws need to be updated , as a deterrent for would-be offenders.

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The more information you have the better precautions you can take. i would have thought that was obvious.




they are? they are free to move around. I would be beyond shocked if the gardai were monitoring them at all. In what way do you think the gardai can monitor them?

I don’t have a problem with public access to the sex offenders list. Who cares a damn about any of them or their rights and entitlements?
The problem I have is that a huge swathe of parents appear to be under the impression that all sex offenders are on this list and that they only have to be wary of those people.
There’s no doubt AGS know all the offenders on the list in their area. This in itself curtails the activities of your known sex offender. It is a type of low level monitoring.

Flippyfloppy

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I would really hope that's not the case.

splinter65

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

unless you are standing next to them 24 hours a day you cant guarantee that.

You can’t garuntee anything. And I’m anti hysteria/paranoia/helicoptering.
You’ve got to literally brainwash your kids from an early age that no adult ever ever needs to put their hands on them. And if an adult wants to give you sweets or any kind of treats then you have to say please and thank you but you don’t have to do anything in return. All that stuff. You’ve got to hammer it home until they are shouting “ shut up mammy”.
You’ve got to make sure every single day that they know that they can and must tell you everything and anything they want to tell you and that you can and will fix it.

splinter65

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I would really hope that's not the case.

I’m afraid you’d be shocked if you heard some of the rubbish I listen too.

Flippyfloppy

splinter65 wrote: »

I’m afraid you’d be shocked if you heard some of the rubbish I listen too.

Sounds like it would be shocking enough alright!

wakka12

The punishment seems very insufficient to me but I suppose his real punishment was being posted online by that Facebook group

wakka12

shamrock55 wrote: »

He was hardly meeting her to play tiddlywinks,the intent was there,why do we have to wait till something bad happens,this creep was only after one thing and I'd have no problem even hanging the prick

Yeh it sucks, but the sentence has to be less for attempt to commit a crime than actually committing the crime..its just logical sense

pilly

wakka12 wrote: »

The punishment seems very insufficient to me but I suppose his real punishment was being posted online by that Facebook group

His life is ruined whatever way you look at it.

wakka12

That photo of how much he aged in 4 months is absolutely mad! Shows what stress does to your health

Jim Bob Scratcher

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

end of the road

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

it's basically an attempt by the members of these groups and their supporters to silence anyone who disagrees with them because they know they have no actual argument. thankfully it doesn't work. they have the same trend in relation to any other issue, where they accuse people of being of the opposite extreme view.

wakka12

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

Completely agree. Even though Im glad he's going to jail, Im still critical of the groups methods, and , their motivations. Just because you're critical of the group, who in my opinion seem like bad people mostly, and I believe safety of children is a good bit down their list of priorities , doesnt mean I think the man shouldn't be punished for what he did, the two opinions are not mutually exclusive

Bob_Marley

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

because just like here the police would do little or nothing if they could get away with it.

weldoninhio

Feisar wrote: »

In this instance there was no child though. So may I ask, what did is the actual offence here?

I'm in no way trying to defend this lad or say he shouldn't be locked up. I'm just trying to understand the actual crime committed.

If the cops set up a drug sting, with another cop posing as the buyer. So there is no actual buyers what is the actual offence there??

weldoninhio

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Did anyone see the interview last night on the Pat Kenny show? It seems that anyone who questions these vigilante's methods is a paedophile sympathizer which is absolutely ridiculous. If they really cared or are serious about protecting children why don't they just hand the evidence over to the police without broadcasting it live all over facebook?

Because as seen time and time again, the cops will do little or nothing. Have you had to call them recently??

DEFTLEFTHAND

How do the Police view these vigilante groups?

I'm sure they are not best pleased about civilians involving themselves in police business.


I'm all for citizens doing voluntary investigative work but I believe they should hand over their findings and evidence to the Police once complete.


Filming themselves confronting the accused for youtube and social media likes, not to mention potential financial gain through these platforms is dishonorable behaviour.

wakka12

I also think the people they target is a bit sad. Most of the people they catch are extremely stupid, some seem to be verging on actual retardation. They're also always ugly and old..and always show their face to the fake little girl.so no 13-14 year old girl will ever meet them. I think thats kind of cruel honestly.

The RTE guy is an exception to this as he seems at least average intelligence and was blackmailing children. Got what was coming
But many of the people I saw videos of hadn't a brain stem between them,and simply would not have their where with all to even trick a 13-14 year old to meet them

The ones who are an actual threat to children safety would never be stupid enough to be caught by this justice group. They're picking the easiest catch possible for likes/moment of fame
If they were trying to catch real predators they wouldn't be on Plenty of fish/Okcupid, and also targetting people on a website that requires members to be 18+ means they were not seeking to meet children, and decoy picture is always of a girl over 18, which means the target was never even actually speaking to a child
It all just stinks a bit and is undeniably unethical

Guy:Incognito

Chrongen wrote: »

A proven fallacy. The fact is that the harsher the prison the higher the recidivism.

Another fact: capital punishment cuts recidivism to 0%

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

Because as seen time and time again, the cops will do little or nothing. Have you had to call them recently??

come on now. i think we both know that isn't the reason. we all know the reasons are. fishing for likes and fame. to subvert the innocent until proven guilty rule and to insure the life of the accused is ruined, regardless of guilt or innocence. if the accused is found guilty then fair enough fcuk them but not before hand.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Another fact: capital punishment cuts recidivism to 0%

so does life in prison. which over all can be less costly.

McCrack

I applaud what they do.

Police generally react after the damage is done.

Pedo hunters identify and expose these predators before the damage is done. Their actions as ive explained previously are perfectly lawful.

The RTE man is a great catch and one to be applauded by any right thinking person.

end of the road

McCrack wrote: »

I applaud what they do.

Police generally react after the damage is done.

Pedo hunters identify and expose these predators before the damage is done. Their actions as ive explained previously are perfectly lawful.

The RTE man is a great catch and one to be applauded by any right thinking person.

police react before the damage is done when the evidence comes to light and or where they have the resources. these "paedophile hunters" are not acting in the interests of the public but themselves. they have to set up fake pages to catch these people, so aren't really doing any investigative work. technically, they are only exposing "alleged" paedophiles because they haven't been found guilty yet when exposed. some of their actions are lawful but only just i'd wager.
the police will get the full credit for the investigations into these people, even if they were handed some of the evidence by these groups. not giving the groups credit will cause them to eventually go away.

Dr Brown

McCrack wrote: »

I applaud what they do.

Police generally react after the damage is done.

Pedo hunters identify and expose these predators before the damage is done. Their actions as ive explained previously are perfectly lawful.

The RTE man is a great catch and one to be applauded by any right thinking person.

Without the pedo hunters that scumbag from RTE would be still out there free to abuse kids.

You can question their methods but you can't question their results.

McCrack

end of the road wrote: »

police react before the damage is done when the evidence comes to light and or where they have the resources. these "paedophile hunters" are not acting in the interests of the public but themselves. they have to set up fake pages to catch these people, so aren't really doing any investigative work. technically, they are only exposing "alleged" paedophiles because they haven't been found guilty yet when exposed. some of their actions are lawful but only just i'd wager.
the police will get the full credit for the investigations into these people, even if they were handed some of the evidence by these groups. not giving the groups credit will cause them to eventually go away.

Unfortunately the reality is by the time evidence comes to light by the police the sexual abuse has already occured.

By its very nature the abuse will only come to police attention after it has been committed.

The pedo hunters identify and expose potential threats before they have the opportunity to carry out their abuse.