Ex RTÉ producer sentenced to 18 months in prison

facehugger99

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

weldoninhio

Strazdas wrote: »

And Ian is a self confessed right winger - like most of the supporters of these groups I would imagine. When even an outspoken right wing conservative like Ian is attacking them, it does suggest there is a problem,

Adrian Kennedy wrote a good article about them recently, describing such groups as little more than thuggish and with very shady motives,

I’ve asked before and didn’t get an answer, so I’ll try again. What evidence is there that anyone helping catch paedos is shady or thuggish??

Mongfinder General

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

I’ll make your mind up straight away. Which one would you prefer to babysit your kids?

weldoninhio

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

One group grooms kids and fcuks them.

The other group tries to catch and have the first group arrested.

If you don’t know which one is a “greater danger to society” it says a lot about you.

Turn Out The Sun

No problem with pedo hunters. They create a fake profile of a young girl or boy, and the pedo makes the first move. It's the pedo who ruins his life.

And while I believe in the death penalty for pedophiles, this group did not harm him, merely restrained him until the police arrived, which is what should be done.

I'm looking into getting involved with one of these groups myself.

end of the road

Mongfinder General wrote: »

I’ll make your mind up straight away. Which one would you prefer to babysit your kids?

neither of them.

weldoninhio wrote: »

One group grooms kids and fcuks them.

The other group tries to catch and have the first group arrested.

If you don’t know which one is a “greater danger to society” it says a lot about you.

the second group sets up fake pages and pretends to be children. i am as concerned about them as i am about paedophiles, 100% concern.

Turn Out The Sun

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hard to know which group represents a greater danger to society, the paedos or these self-styled paedo-hunters.

I find them both deplorable for different reasons tbh.

Which is the greater threat to society? That would be the pedophiles.

Turn Out The Sun

end of the road wrote: »

neither of them.



the second group sets up fake pages and pretends to be children. i am as concerned about them as i am about paedophiles, 100% concern.

You need only be concerned about pedo hunters if you are a pedophile.

keith_sixteen

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So why aren't they catching them then?

Of course they are catching them. Difference is the cops aren't live streaming the crap out of their operations for the likes. Ultimately, in the long term, these streaming tactics do more harm than good.

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Depraved perverts nobody in law enforcement knew about.

Craven was found out by ordinary people in another country giving up their free time not the Guards who are paid to root out his kind.

How do you know they were not on the radar of law enforcement already? Probably plenty who were on the radar who have now fallen off thanks to Phil and his mates. Ordinary people giving up their "free time"....please. The absolute dole hounds have plenty of time on their hands.

Mongfinder General

end of the road wrote: »

neither of them.



the second group sets up fake pages and pretends to be children. i am as concerned about them as i am about paedophiles, 100% concern.

Your poor kids.

suicide_circus

Turn Out The Sun wrote: »

You need only be concerned about pedo hunters if you are a pedophile.

Dangerous logic.

Turn Out The Sun

suicide_circus wrote: »

Dangerous logic.

I'm not chatting up 13 year girls on Facebook. I have nothing to worry about.

facehugger99

I find these group's obsessions with paedos a bit suspicious tbh. Almost as if they're trying to cover up for something themselves.

suicide_circus

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McCrack

facehugger99 wrote: »

I find these group's obsessions with paedos a bit suspicious tbh. Almost as if they're trying to cover up for something themselves.

The fact you're signed up here last month with 100 posts I just cant take you serious.

Nice try all the same

At least you got a thanks from end of the road

timthumbni

I honestly couldn’t give 2 fecks about the rights of those snared by these groupings. As for those stating that both are as bad as each other that is frankly laughable.

If the psni/pps can’t convict based on evidence handed to them then I would suggest that the law needs changed.

The fact that a lot of these deviants have now been at least exposed to the public will in certain cases help protect children around them. One caught up here was a kids music tutor ffs. Now the psni can rabbit on about procedure all they want. The fact is that without the predator catchers or whoever was on that one no one would know about this guy. I’m sure the parents of the kids he was tutoring will be very, very thankful that he was outed on Facebook.

I also smirked about someone earlier going on about it being unethical....... we are talking about paedophiles here. How ethical is it for a 40 year old man to send a picture of his Johnston to someone
he believes to be a 13 yr old kid and then try to arrange a meeting?

Strazdas

timthumbni wrote: »

I honestly couldn’t give 2 fecks about the rights of those snared by these groupings. As for those stating that both are as bad as each other that is frankly laughable.

If the psni/pps can’t convict based on evidence handed to them then I would suggest that the law needs changed.

The fact that a lot of these deviants have now been at least exposed to the public will in certain cases help protect children around them. One caught up here was a kids music tutor ffs. Now the psni can rabbit on about procedure all they want. The fact is that without the predator catchers or whoever was on that one no one would know about this guy. I’m sure the parents of the kids he was tutoring will be very, very thankful that he was outed on Facebook.

I also smirked about someone earlier going on about it being unethical....... we are talking about paedophiles here. How ethical is it for a 40 year old man to send a picture of his Johnston to someone
he believes to be a 13 yr old kid and then try to arrange a meeting?

The law needs to be changed in order to accommodate the activities of vigilante groups? I don't think so : Ireland is not a lawless state run by semi literate chavs with links to paramilitaries and the British far right. Changing the law like this would open the door to every angry yob in the country setting himself up as a have a go hero.

McCrack

Strazdas wrote: »

The law needs to be changed in order to accommodate the activities of vigilante groups? I don't think so : Ireland is not a lawless state run by semi literate chavs with links to paramilitaries and the British far right. Changing the law like this would open the door to every angry yob in the country setting himself up as a have a go hero.

As socrates the great greek philosopher said-

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser

weldoninhio

Strazdas wrote: »

The law needs to be changed in order to accommodate the activities of vigilante groups? I don't think so : Ireland is not a lawless state run by semi literate chavs with links to paramilitaries and the British far right. Changing the law like this would open the door to every angry yob in the country setting himself up as a have a go hero.

Third time of asking.

I’ve asked before and didn’t get an answer, so I’ll try again. What evidence is there that anyone helping catch paedos is shady or thuggish??

Omackeral

weldoninhio wrote: »

Third time of asking.

I’ve asked before and didn’t get an answer, so I’ll try again. What evidence is there that anyone helping catch paedos is shady or thuggish??

Their accents or their vocabulary, presumably. That’s what they’ll realistically go on. The same people running the members of these groups into ground based on these factors would be the exact same ones crying foul, ironically, if they were stereotyped or written off in another situation. But that’s the way of it these days. Mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible and deflect.

Saw it on the Lidl Tallaght thread, people taking umbrage at posters calling the perpetrators scum and vermin because it’s dehumanising rather than lambasting the filth responsible.

Saw it on the Tommy Robinson thread last night, ignoring the tramps attacking people in Hyde Park with sticks but instead focusing on Tommy apparently looking smug.

It’s the same people time and time again looking to shift blame, you can almost do a bingo list of who’ll thank the posts.

weldoninhio

Omackeral wrote: »

Their accents or their vocabulary, presumably. That’s what they’ll realistically go on. The same people running the members of these groups into ground based on these factors would be the exact same ones crying foul, ironically, if they were stereotyped or written off in another situation. But that’s the way of it these days. Mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible and deflect.

Saw it on the Lidl Tallaght thread, people taking umbrage at posters calling the perpetrators scum and vermin because it’s dehumanising rather than lambasting the filth responsible.

Saw it on the Tommy Robinson thread last night, ignoring the tramps attacking people in Hyde Park with sticks but instead focusing on Tommy apparently looking smug.

It’s the same people time and time again looking to shift blame, you can almost do a bingo list of who’ll thank the posts.

I had a fair feeling thats what they would reply with. Its a pathetic mindset. None of them with enough of a spine to state that is why they perceive them as shady or thuggish.

Omackeral

weldoninhio wrote: »

Its a pathetic mindset.

Do you know what else is pathetic and ridiculous in equal parts? The fact some of the commentators in here think the people operating the decoy accounts are creepier or worse than pedo predators. That’s actually been said. Mind boggling.

weldoninhio

Omackeral wrote: »

Do you know what else is pathetic and ridiculous in equal parts? The fact some of the commentators in here think the people operating the decoy accounts are creepier or worse than pedo predators. That’s actually been said. Mind boggling.

I wonder how they'd feel, if, after the decoys caught and had someone arrested, the Gardai contacted them as their child had also been in contact with the paedo and wanted to have a chat with them, and the decoy being there had saved them i.e. agreed to meet up before their child.

Would it be creepy that their kid was saved from CSA and a lifetime of carrying that trauma with them.

Omackeral

The other marvelous high ground taken was when some posters said the only reason the hunters are operating decoy accounts is because they’re probably pedos themselves. So you’ve got actual pedophiles and then you’ve got people who you think might be (although, let’s face it, it’s absolutely and utterly baseless) pedophiles and you think the latter is somehow worse?!! Phenomenal logic.

Snickers Man

garbo speaks wrote: »

I feel sorry for his family, but for the man himself I am delighted with the sentence for this scumbag. It's a pity that if it were here, he would barely get a warning.

Really? A certain well known journalist in this country got two and a half years recently for something similar. And the "flog him and burn him" brigade were outraged by the leniency of that one too.

I think people get high on outrage. In fact, in these days of instant access to websites with beachball boobs and flagpole phalluses in mutual interaction, it seems to me that outrage is the new titillation of the mainstream masses.

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AllForIt

Omackeral wrote: »

Their accents or their vocabulary, presumably. That’s what they’ll realistically go on. The same people running the members of these groups into ground based on these factors would be the exact same ones crying foul, ironically, if they were stereotyped or written off in another situation. But that’s the way of it these days. Mental gymnastics to defend the indefensible and deflect.

Saw it on the Lidl Tallaght thread, people taking umbrage at posters calling the perpetrators scum and vermin because it’s dehumanising rather than lambasting the filth responsible.

Saw it on the Tommy Robinson thread last night, ignoring the tramps attacking people in Hyde Park with sticks but instead focusing on Tommy apparently looking smug.

It’s the same people time and time again looking to shift blame, you can almost do a bingo list of who’ll thank the posts.

Go on with your know-it-all rhetoric. Actually it's because they conceal their full names and cover their faces as I mentioned earlier and as Ian Doherty alluded to on the Pat Kenny show. Go ahead and amuse me with reasons they would do that if it were not to conceal their own history. I would be lying if after seeing Phil on the show that I didn't form a negative opinion about him because of his appearance, accent and especially his aggressive demeanor but that negative opinion was there already before I ever set eyes on him based on what I had read about the live streaming.

Of course that is all irrelevant as far as this thread is concerned because I'm sure If I had evidence that all those in all the various groups were in fact ex-cons it wouldn't make a jot of difference to their supporters here.

Strazdas

AllForIt wrote: »

Go on with your know-it-all rhetoric. Actually it's because they conceal their full names and cover their faces as I mentioned earlier and as Ian Doherty alluded to on the Pat Kenny show. Go ahead and amuse me with reasons they would do that if it were not to conceal their own history. I would be lying if after seeing Phil on the show that I didn't form a negative opinion about him because of his appearance, accent and especially his aggressive demeanor but that negative opinion was there already before I ever set eyes on him based on what I had read about the live streaming.

Of course that is all irrelevant as far as this thread is concerned because I'm sure If I had evidence that all those in all the various groups were in fact ex-cons it wouldn't make a jot of difference to their supporters here.

I can't believe people would hold up that 'Phil' person as some sort of a hero. He was like an inarticulate, aggressive chav straight off the Jeremy Kyle Show. His aggression was there for everyone to see when Ian O'Doherty tackled him repeatedly. It looked like he was going to swing for Ian a few times during the interview : absolute rage that anyone would dare criticise or question him.

weldoninhio

AllForIt wrote: »

Go on with your know-it-all rhetoric. Actually it's because they conceal their full names and cover their faces as I mentioned earlier and as Ian Doherty alluded to on the Pat Kenny show. Go ahead and amuse me with reasons they would do that if it were not to conceal their own history. I would be lying if after seeing Phil on the show that I didn't form a negative opinion about him because of his appearance, accent and especially his aggressive demeanor but that negative opinion was there already before I ever set eyes on him based on what I had read about the live streaming.

Of course that is all irrelevant as far as this thread is concerned because I'm sure If I had evidence that all those in all the various groups were in fact ex-cons it wouldn't make a jot of difference to their supporters here.

Who knew Boards was a thug-factory. Or is that different because you are on it??

McCrack

Strazdas wrote: »

I can't believe people would hold up that 'Phil' person as some sort of a hero. He was like an inarticulate, aggressive chav straight off the Jeremy Kyle Show. His aggression was there for everyone to see when Ian O'Doherty tackled him repeatedly. It looked like he was going to swing for Ian a few times during the interview : absolute rage that anyone would dare criticise or question him.

Are insults the only thing you have left?

I have a certain view on Ian O'Doherty and Phil was no match for him - it came down to articulation.

But I can tell you one thing for sure - I know who the better man is and it certainly is not Ian O'Doherty

Strazdas

McCrack wrote: »

Are insults the only thing you have left?

I have a certain view on Ian O'Doherty and Phil was no match for him - it came down to articulation.

But I can tell you one thing for sure - I know who the better man is and it certainly is not Ian O'Doherty

You disagree that he was very aggressive and inarticulate? They can only be insults if they are factually incorrect.

Seems the 'paedophile vigilante' gangs are completely out of control in Northern Ireland. This recent article lists numerous criminal acts by them : identifying the wrong suspects and streaming it live on Facebook, arson attacks on houses where innocent people live, beating up people in the street and strong links between group members and Loyalist paramilitaries

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/shame-of-northern-ireland-paedophile-hunters-sins-of-the-lynch-mob-revealed-36589316.html

facehugger99

Strazdas wrote: »

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/shame-of-northern-ireland-paedophile-hunters-sins-of-the-lynch-mob-revealed-36589316.html

Interesting reading. Just shows you the type of people that get involved in these vigilante groups.

Wouldn't be surprised if there are groups down here using it as a front for criminal activity - after all if you criticise these paedo-hunting groups you're in favour of paedophiles - right?

Galwayguy35

keith_sixteen wrote: »

Of course they are catching them. Difference is the cops aren't live streaming the crap out of their operations for the likes. Ultimately, in the long term, these streaming tactics do more harm than good.



How do you know they were not on the radar of law enforcement already? Probably plenty who were on the radar who have now fallen off thanks to Phil and his mates. Ordinary people giving up their "free time"....please. The absolute dole hounds have plenty of time on their hands.

You sound like a right snob, was Phils accent too working class for you or what?