Cheltenham 2018 - Day 1

ANDREWMUFC

I can’t stand that clowns that come out during cheltenham week with their €1.50 on a 8/13 shot, especially the students and young lads

naughto

UsedToWait wrote: »

Why don't you set up a private forum if you don't want casual small stake punters stinking up 'your' threads.

Some of us just like the craic of Cheltenham week, and read the threads to see what the knowledgeable folk have to say.

I have no prob with people reading giving there input but you can see it a mile off who haven’t a bog what there talking and then the after timers and the number 4 in the next race craic.
A lot of good info get lost in the sh1te talk

WickIow Brave

Paul Nicholls will have a winner this week NAP.

Been studying for Cheltenham today and I've nearly come to the conclusion that if you back Mullins and Elliott blind this week you will make money. And Henderson will win the rest.

naughto

Motivator wrote: »

I’d say it’s his smallest Festival team for about 15 years. Relying on the Foxhunters, where he’ll run 3 or 4 horses, to bag a winner at the Festival is some drop off for him. I haven’t looked through his runners properly yet but you can be sure something will pop up in a handicap at a price. He mightn’t have the Master Minded’s, Kauto’s or Denman’s anymore but he’s still a brilliant trainer and is well capable of readying one at a price in a handicap.

I just checked his form, Nicholls is on fire at the minute. I’m going to spend the day tomorrow looking through his handicap horses.

How many has young O’Brien have this week does any one no.

RivetingRoger

naughto wrote: »

How many has young O’Brien have this week does any one no.

Of his the one i am interested in is Ivanovic Gorbatov. Won a triumph 2 years back but like last year the arse fell out of that novice form since. Bit of talk for him in the last week or two though.

Cant see Efwulf doing it again.....?

Dont se LOHG enteted in anything? ?

FatRat

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

I can’t stand that clowns that come out during cheltenham week with their €1.50 on a 8/13 shot, especially the students and young lads

Wow this is a some next level post. So if I have it right - you have to bet big, not be a "young lad or student", and have been backing racing all year. Otherwise you're a clown and f*ck off.

Get a hold of yourself.

Didactic Ninja

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

I can’t stand that clowns that come out during cheltenham week with their €1.50 on a 8/13 shot, especially the students and young lads

they ruin the forum. best racing week, worst week on forum for constructive discourse. the blow ins ruin it.

ANDREWMUFC

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

they ruin the forum. best racing week, worst week on forum for constructive discourse. the blow ins ruin it.

Mate I remember last year in the pub there was 1 or 2 young lads crying because they had 2 Euro on some Evens shot and it lost.

They really do ruin the week sometimes ffs

Mysterypunter

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

they ruin the forum. best racing week, worst week on forum for constructive discourse. the blow ins ruin it.

Better off doing the pot for small money than short price splonks, ignore all the judges and pick your own, everyone is entitled to punt what they want, the only people who should not be in betting shops are junkies using the coffee machine, and mentally ill people, Presume the ground will be heavy, will be a real slog.

Motivator

naughto wrote: »

How many has young O’Brien have this week does any one no.

The stable is coming in cold. Be wary of trainers who aren’t firing at the moment. I’m not one for backing Willie’s hotpots at the Festival but he had five winners yesterday, Elliott is banging them in usual as well but Joseph’s horses aren’t firing, he has a big string heading across though I think.

FatRat

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

they ruin the forum. best racing week, worst week on forum for constructive discourse. the blow ins ruin it.

You have 25 posts in the racing forum and you're complaining about blow ins.

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

Mate I remember last year in the pub there was 1 or 2 young lads crying because they had 2 Euro on some Evens shot and it lost.

They really do ruin the week sometimes ffs

You have 41 posts in the racing forum. They were not crying and if that ruined your cheltenham week then you're an oddly bitter man.


I get what people are saying about people coming in after timing etc. But this is just gold by the two lads above. If someone comes in and posts up that they have 2 euro on Buveur Dair/Footpad/Samcro/Apples accumulator then more power to them. Who are you to say otherwise. High stakes only here apparently ^^

Didactic Ninja

FatRat wrote: »

You have 25 posts in the racing forum and you're complaining about blow ins.



You have 41 posts in the racing forum. They were not crying and if that ruined your cheltenham week then you're an oddly bitter man.


I get what people are saying about people coming in after timing etc. But this is just gold by the two lads above. If someone comes in and posts up that they have 2 euro on Buveur Dair/Footpad/Samcro/Apples accumulator then more power to them. Who are you to say otherwise. High stakes only here apparently ^^

are you suggesting we are a muggy double?

piplip87

kiers47 wrote: »

FYI that race is for amateur riders I think Katie is riding him.

No that's the race before it. The last race of the day is the 5.30.

https://www.irishracing.com/card?race=Cheltenham_Tue_13th_Mar_2018_5_30&prc=009&prd=201803131730

Gavin "shels"

gazza1 wrote: »

First real bet for Cheltenham

Mr WHITAKER 14/1 EW Close bros

Won at the track lto with going soft heavy in places so going won't be an issue and gets in here off bottom weight.
5 of the last 9 winners won lto.
12 of the last 13 had run in the last 45 days
Trainers only runner at the festival

Paul Kealy hyping this one up at the preview nights he's done it seems.

kiers47

piplip87 wrote: »

No that's the race before it. The last race of the day is the 5.30.

https://www.irishracing.com/card?race=Cheltenham_Tue_13th_Mar_2018_5_30&prc=009&prd=201803131730

Apologies for some reason I read your post as pyleonthepressure..

bit of a bogey

Some very distasteful comments here with those on their high horse. Some seem to think theyre big men with their €20 wins.

As Harry Findlay says, we're all gamblers and feeling the same whether we have €5 or €5k on. People are on here because they are excited and have a gra for Cheltenham. It's a special time of year and participation should be encouraged.

The only time I ever post on boards is on this forum. I never even look at the thing because for the most part it's dead and only happened to browse yesterday. This is an opportunity to get those involved. It's the worst thing of racing where people have this snobbery to those outside the industry.

Especially when it's the internet, already has forum guidelines and then can also quite easily be ignored. They are not shouting in your face down the pub. You don't get this bitterness to bandwagoners when the rugby or soccer world cup is on.

Best luck to all punters and connections this year, whatever your stake. Hoping for a safe Cheltenham and for no one to lose the run of themselves!

dave81

The CB is highly competitive this year. Could make a case for almost all. Sustained support for Whittaker but I think the horse that most people appear to be missing is Tycoon Prince, on a line though Montalbano, there's not much between him and De Plotting Shed. In fact, he might be better off. I'll be having a cut.

Re Supreme, I generally avoid the hotpots as I've been really badly toasted, but I can't be having horses that are coming in with recent defeats and excuses. Someone might know stats off top of their had, but horse surely must come in with a few recent 11's to their name? Even Labaik had great form when he decided to race. Very unoriginal, but I think Getabird could actually be the winner. Price is silly for sure - 5/2-3/1 would be fair.

I'm having my biggest bet of the week that this thread that cannot get past 20 posts without a pointless fight erupting :-)

Good luck to all.

kiers47

I don't post on here to often anymore. But I can kind of see both sides of this.
The **** that annoys people is people just throwing up a name and a price. I am not interested in a free tipping service and for the most part I couldn't give a fiddler's who anyone has bet. It's nice to have a reasoned conversation about the races and the horses or if people at least throw in a sentence or 2 about why they are betting something it can also add to the discussion.

Other gems include people telling about the great price they got months ago and also people after timing.
This is the **** the winds people up. People browsing in at Cheltenham time to join in the conversation is fine if they are actually going to put forward some input.

Claregaafan18

https://twitter.com/RacingPost/status/973108362786336769

Kauto

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RacingPost/status/973108362786336769

Clerk of the course will be telling everyone that it's soft( good to soft in places) tomorrow, when in fact it's bottomless and has no chance of being better than soft for the week.

Glasfield

With the ground conditions the way they are, it's going to be difficult to work out what the ground will be like on any given day, so we'll have to stay tuned to get the jockey's opinions of it. In relation to Champion Hurdle, my hope is that Faugheen can improve from his last race in Leopardstown and give the hot fav a right good run for his money. I think 6/1 about him is too big and when on song is very classy. Just hoping that his recent poorer efforts are behind him

Slattsy

This time tomorrow I'll be sitting down to my first pint of Guinness.

Still hoping the whole meeting is postponed for a few weeks weeks though. Its very unfair on those good ground horses and particularly on the people that backed them.

RivetingRoger

As a footpad backer, a heavy footpad backer, i would have concerns re the hill in those conditions tomorrow.
No worries for getabird in conditions

BumperD

With monalee now 6/1 for rsa and 3/1 for JLT with betfair, I’ve done my first accum:

Footpad, loved the way he jumped last time out and while I do fear petit mouchoir, I’m going with the fav as he has less to prove 6/4

Presenting Percy been a fan for him couple of seasons and I think he’s the best in race and easy ground will ensure this is an even tougher slog than usual 5/2 will shorten if monalee diverts

Monalee JLT if he doesn’t go RSA 3/1 Coming in off the back of. Grade 1 win against very good novices in Irish Arkle

Apples Shakira triump mentioned her here during November meeting have been very impressed with her all season 11/4

All above have course form which is a big plus. Accum comes out about 115/1 depending which firm you use.

HandsomeBob

Slattsy wrote: »

This time tomorrow I'll be sitting down to my first pint of Guinness.

Still hoping the whole meeting is postponed for a few weeks weeks though. Its very unfair on those good ground horses and particularly on the people that backed them.

It's part and parcel of the game that unexpected conditions will have to be endured as long as it's not life threatening to the animals.

posturingpat

Regarding the once a year racing fans, i don't mind them in general but what does annoy me is the few that will tell me some odds on shot is a cert and can't be beat and that i should lump on , i'll proceed to tell them about the 16/1 shot i've had an e/w play on as the race will be run to suit or conditions are in favour etc. and the place would pay better than the odds on shot winning, they'll then make a point of finding me to let me know "they knew" when the odds on shot wins all the while ignoring the great race the 16/1 shot ran to get 3rd :rolleyes:

Seems a lot of punters not just once a year punters seem to love the feeling of a winner no matter what price and can't get their head around people backing big prices, i have to have a giggle when a whatsapp group or facebook post goes on a rant about a fav getting turned over fix, corrupt jockey etc. yet on form the horse mightn't have deserved to be favourite and when you query why they felt the horse should be favourite or win they'll respond with something like " well it was favourite, should've run better than that" :pac:

WickIow Brave

Be mad not to run both Douvan and Un de Sceaux in the Champion Chase imo. If WPM wants to win the race, he won't get a better opportunity. They are both far better on soft/heavy and it's a negative for Altior.

RivetingRoger

WickIow Brave wrote: »

Be mad not to run both Douvan and Un de Sceaux in the Champion Chase imo. If WPM wants to win the race, he won't get a better opportunity. They are both far better on soft/heavy and it's a negative for Altior.

Forget douvan wb. After RR on ATR last night u can put a line thru douvan winning anything. NR i bet

Gavin "shels"

Slattsy wrote: »

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Still hoping the whole meeting is postponed for a few weeks weeks though. Its very unfair on those good ground horses and particularly on the people that backed them.

Hoping you're on a WUM

But it would be even more unfair on those who've forked out on the trip, taken time off work, etc... solely because it doesn't suit some horses.

WickIow Brave

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Forget douvan wb. After RR on ATR last night u can put a line thru douvan winning anything. NR i bet

When the horse was at his best I thought he was near unbeatable on soft. Look back at him as a novice at Leopardstown and Aintree. I wouldn't place too much stock on what his owner says tbh.

Claregaafan18

https://twitter.com/RacingPost/status/973137108637450241

HandsomeBob

Ffs. What are they playing at.

RivetingRoger

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Forget douvan wb. After RR on ATR last night u can put a line thru douvan winning anything. NR i bet

Douvan in CC confirmed ......hahagahahaha
Its actually funny !!

Gavin "shels"

Lads there's a thread for each day set up.

posturingpat

Now will people realise Ricci pays the bills and that's it

WickIow Brave

Don't go betting overbet slow heavy ground yokes. Just bet the good horses that have been running and winning on heavy during the winter. Particularly the Irish horses. Monalee, Samcro etc have all won on soft to heavy this year. The best horses will still win the Grade 1s for the most part. People are overeacting. It's not Haydock. They are running on fresh ground and the course dries out well. It's the usual NH ground we'd get in Ireland and it doesn't stop the best horses winning here.

Chesty08

Gavin shels wrote: »

gazza1 wrote: »

First real bet for Cheltenham

Mr WHITAKER 14/1 EW Close bros

Won at the track lto with going soft heavy in places so going won't be an issue and gets in here off bottom weight.
5 of the last 9 winners won lto.
12 of the last 13 had run in the last 45 days
Trainers only runner at the festival

Paul Kealy hyping this one up at the preview nights he's done it seems.

Have this backed AP for the Plate at 20/1

Chesty08

Gavin shels wrote: »

gazza1 wrote: »

First real bet for Cheltenham

Mr WHITAKER 14/1 EW Close bros

Won at the track lto with going soft heavy in places so going won't be an issue and gets in here off bottom weight.
5 of the last 9 winners won lto.
12 of the last 13 had run in the last 45 days
Trainers only runner at the festival

Paul Kealy hyping this one up at the preview nights he's done it seems.

Have this backed AP for the Plate at 20/1

jimjamcos

Rathvinden 4 Miler. Easy game, this.

jamesbere

Afraid I'm one of the once a year folk but I do love Cheltenham. This thread has done me well the last few years so will be keeping an eye on it.

Some very knowledgeable people here so it really helps. Mr whitaker and vintage clouds are the two I'm going for so far.

Looking at debuchet e/w in the first race tomorrow, anyone think he's worth a punt? Looks like decent form and looked back on his races and seems to finish pretty strong if in contention

RivetingRoger

Rathvinden in 4 miler too. Cant see Jury Duty getting the trip after the way Moulin a Vent caught it lto

yaboya1

jamesbere wrote: »

Looking at debuchet e/w in the first race tomorrow, anyone think he's worth a punt? Looks like decent form and looked back on his races and seems to finish pretty strong if in contention

Me too. 50/1 in places looks ridiculous given his run here in the bumper last year.

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Rathvinden in 4 miler too. Cant see Jury Duty getting the trip after the way Moulin a Vent caught it lto

Completely agree with this. Liked him until I watched a replay of that race. Doesn't inspire confidence for a 4m race. I'm going with Mossback there.

RivetingRoger

ALTIOR INJURED!!!! Fuuuuuuucccckkkkkk

RivetingRoger

Sorry sorry wrong day sorry lads

The real mccoy 91

Right first time posting in here not a once a year punter two at a price for me tomorrow are Vic De Touzaine in the Ultima @25s came cruising into the race 4 out last year got outpaced as ground was too quick and ended up unseating won on reappearance this year pulled up 3 times since but the heavy going plays right into his hands and id be hopeful of a big run.

The 2nd one is any second now in the close brothers has sustained form tied in with some of the best horses we are sending over and ted is a shrewd operator 6/1 now could be alot shorter tomorrow

Billgirlylegs

Gavin shels wrote: »

Hoping you're on a WUM

But it would be even more unfair on those who've forked out on the trip, taken time off work, etc... solely because it doesn't suit some horses.

Is this an example of double irony?

Billgirlylegs

WickIow Brave wrote: »

Don't go betting overbet slow heavy ground yokes. Just bet the good horses that have been running and winning on heavy during the winter. Particularly the Irish horses. Monalee, Samcro etc have all won on soft to heavy this year. The best horses will still win the Grade 1s for the most part. People are overeacting. It's not Haydock. They are running on fresh ground and the course dries out well. It's the usual NH ground we'd get in Ireland and it doesn't stop the best horses winning here.

That drainage system is serious stuff. I remember Alistair Down standing beside the outflow one year. Think of the sluice gates being opened at a Hydro Dam to give you some idea of what was drained off the course proper.
Compare it to the Cross country course (that isn't drained )- some years that has been very heavy when the course was a lot quicker.

Motivator

Slattsy wrote: »

This time tomorrow I'll be sitting down to my first pint of Guinness.

Still hoping the whole meeting is postponed for a few weeks weeks though. Its very unfair on those good ground horses and particularly on the people that backed them.

You’re hoping the Festival will be postponed so that good ground horses can run their races? There’s so much wrong with that it’s not even funny.

And thinking that it’s “unfair” that we’ve had buckets of rain is a mental comment.

What this means is that the Mullins and Gordon brigade who back all their horses blindly are in danger of getting cleaned out this week. Year after year people who wouldn’t watch racing for 360 days of the year make a bucket load of cash without so much as looking past a horse that isn’t trained by Willie or Gordon. When results go against them then all we hear is:

“sure it’s all rigged anyway”

“Ruby Walsh works for Paddy Power, he never wanted to win that Grade 1 with £150,000 prize money”

“Elliott is a crook, Cause of Causes is a terrible horse”

Or my favourite ever comment, heard in Paddy Power in Cork city centre when Silver Concorde won the bumper:

“Shaneshill is a speed horse, I wonder what price he’ll be for the Derby in June?”

Earendil

Motivator wrote: »

You’re hoping the Festival will be postponed so that good ground horses can run their races? There’s so much wrong with that it’s not even funny.

And thinking that it’s “unfair” that we’ve had buckets of rain is a mental comment.

What this means is that the Mullins and Gordon brigade who back all their horses blindly are in danger of getting cleaned out this week. Year after year people who wouldn’t watch racing for 360 days of the year make a bucket load of cash without so much as looking past a horse that isn’t trained by Willie or Gordon. When results go against them then all we hear is:

“sure it’s all rigged anyway”

“Ruby Walsh works for Paddy Power, he never wanted to win that Grade 1 with £150,000 prize money”

“Elliott is a crook, Cause of Causes is a terrible horse”

Or my favourite ever comment, heard in Paddy Power in Cork city centre when Silver Concorde won the bumper:

“Shaneshill is a speed horse, I wonder what price he’ll be for the Derby in June?”

He was joking. An idiot could see that.

Motivator

Earendil wrote: »

He was joking. An idiot could see that.

He genuinely wasn’t joking. I had been listening to him and his mate for a good fifteen or twenty minutes before the race jumped and some of the stuff they were coming out with was incredible. Think: bookies pen behind the ear, €2 matched bet from the Irish Mirror, “go on McCoy you beauty” type punters.