France vs England Sat 10 Mar 4:30

Mr.Nice Guy

I felt there was no way we'd win the tournament tonight but glad to be proven wrong. Thanks to Joe and the players and merci France!

razorblunt

Merci monsieurs, merci.


There’s a Chateneuf de Pape here to toast this.


Inverdale here too, even better.

ScrubsfanChris

The game can't just end normally when France are involved :pac:

BBDBB

Now for the slam, if me nerves hold out

Subpopulus

YEEEEEEOOOOOOWWW

Squidgy Black

Is anyone else excited for Jones' interview

Didactic Ninja

Mushy wrote: »

Best team have won the Championship though

definitely

dublinman1990

Brilliant. Well done France. I'd say Jones is truly stuffed like a beaten white chicken now with this defeat.

razorblunt

Credit to Brunel too, steadies the ship, especially with the Edinburgh shenanigans.
Should stand to them come next season, maybe not next March but October of 2019.

Weepsie

Weepsie wrote: »

Depending on results next week, England could be 4th at best.

Actually, A Wales win tomorrow, a France, Ireland, and Scotland Wwn next week combined with England not getting any more bonus points could see them 5th?

Hammer Archer

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

definitely

Thought the best team lost the Ireland - Wales game according to you?

I really hope they interview Mike Brown

Weepsie

Squidgy Black wrote: »

Is anyone else excited for Jones' interview

He was grand after Scotland. He's worse pre game, and he's a bad winner. But he's been okay in defeat

Buer

razorblunt wrote: »

Credit to Brunel too, steadies the ship, especially with the Edinburgh shenanigans.
Should stand to them come next season, maybe not next March but October of 2019.

He was exactly what France need. He'll never please the purists but he has brought structure and a team ethic back to his national side.

France aren't a very good side but they are difficult to beat.

spock.

Nervy last few minutes for me. Had a nice double on Stockdale 1st tryscorer and France to win

C__MC

Ireland deserving champions. Sextons drop goal brilliant.

I think the criticism off England is harsh though, we were rudderless last year and not much better in 2016. England will come again, they are still miles off winning world cup but I wouldn't' write them off just yet.

Didactic Ninja

razorblunt wrote: »

Credit to Brunel too, steadies the ship, especially with the Edinburgh shenanigans.
Should stand to them come next season, maybe not next March but October of 2019.

i think he is a dreadful coach. even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut. france were ****e

razorblunt

Oh Inverdale, it was yellow and penalty try. He’s disgusted Guscott agrees with peyper.

No chat on Itoje dragging Camara’s arm or Haskell pinning the sub prop to the ruck.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/JackoRugby/status/972542839593848832?s=19

Didactic Ninja

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Thought the best team lost the Ireland - Wales game according to you?

they did also

razorblunt

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i think he is a dreadful coach. even a blind squirrel finds the odd nut. france were ****e

Odd nut? That could apply to your posts too fella.

Didactic Ninja

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JackoRugby/status/972542839593848832?s=19

i don't read into penalty counts. its so subjective. the ref does what he wants. you cant control him.

as ken early said " its 30 men wrestling for 80 minutes while the referee arbitrarily awards 3 points to each team at various intervals"

Didactic Ninja

razorblunt wrote: »

Odd nut? That could apply to your posts too fella.

you think France look well coached?

swiwi_

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JackoRugby/status/972542839593848832?s=19

*Intrigued that LOTR director follows rugby*

its_phil

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i don't read into penalty counts. its so subjective. the ref does what he wants. you cant control him.

as ken early said " its 30 men wrestling for 80 minutes while the referee arbitrarily awards 3 points to each team at various intervals"

Every professional rugby team does analysis on the ref for a reason.

But you’ve been on the wind up for most the day to be fair

ScrubsfanChris

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i don't read into penalty counts. its so subjective. the ref does what he wants. you cant control him.

as ken early said " its 30 men wrestling for 80 minutes while the referee arbitrarily awards 3 points to each team at various intervals"

That's a load of rubbish. Sure some penalties are dubious and debatable but the vast majority are deserved and well disciplined teams will win more often.

It very clear form your previous posts you pretty much some sort of vendetta against refs and think they're generally awful.

Try a new record.....

rebel girl 15

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i don't read into penalty counts. its so subjective. the ref does what he wants. you cant control him.

as ken early said " its 30 men wrestling for 80 minutes while the referee arbitrarily awards 3 points to each team at various intervals"

You can though - you study the referee as much as the other team, you know what they like, what they don't like. Ireland had great body positions today when over the ball, which Barnes likes

Didactic Ninja

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

You can though - you study the referee as much as the other team, you know what they like, what they don't like. Ireland had great body positions today when over the ball, which Barnes likes

the refs shouldn't have styles. the rules are the rules.

such as poite and garces in the lions tour. what stats can be attributed to that nonsense.

Didactic Ninja

its_phil wrote: »

Every professional rugby team does analysis on the ref for a reason.

But you’ve been on the wind up for most the day to be fair

it seems like a bit of a closed shop. either drink the koolaid or youre not welcome.

gooch2k9

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

the refs shouldn't have styles. the rules are the rules.

such as poite and garces in the lions tour. what stats can be attributed to that nonsense.

Rules..

rebel girl 15

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

the refs shouldn't have styles. the rules are the rules.

such as poite and garces in the lions tour. what stats can be attributed to that nonsense.

Human interpretation of rules

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Every little thing count in international rugby, the margins are so slim

ScrubsfanChris

Jones thinks the the team is only 2/3% away from being where they want to be.
What? Losing by less points?

razorblunt

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

you think France look well coached?

I didn’t say that, did I? They didn’t need a coach to come in and make them world beaters, they needed someone to organise them and make them hard them beat and play to their strengths as they currently are.

That’s exactly what he’s done.

rebel girl 15

Eddie Jones

Learning period for England, struggling with their game a little bit - while they are disappointed, they need to learn from it.

2 or 3% all - beaten at the breakdown, gave away too many penalties, you go through these periods as a team but they will get through it.

Thought the leadership was outstanding, put themselves back in a position to win the game

Got to get momentum when asked about only scoring two tries in 200 odd minutes.

Important game v Ireland at home, disappointed they are not in contention, but want to finish on a high

rebel girl 15

razorblunt wrote: »

I didn’t say that, did I? They didn’t need a coach to come in and make them world beaters, they needed someone to organise them and make them hard them beat and play to their strengths as they currently are.

That’s exactly what he’s done.

Someone must be having a wum.

French coach came in in January, (after the first French coach ever to be sacked), and for in that short space of time to have done pretty well to take them from being extremely poor to winning a few games.

its_phil

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

it seems like a bit of a closed shop. either drink the koolaid or youre not welcome.

I’ll take the koolaid that the professional teams are serving because they do the work on refs for a reason.

OldRio

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

the refs shouldn't have styles. the rules are the rules.

such as poite and garces in the lions tour. what stats can be attributed to that nonsense.

What are these rules of which you speak?

Burkie1203

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i don't read into penalty counts. its so subjective. the ref does what he wants. you cant control him.

as ken early said " its 30 men wrestling for 80 minutes while the referee arbitrarily awards 3 points to each team at various intervals"

Total bullsh1t. By consistently giving away penalties you are giving your opponent a way into the game. Robshaw was offside twice, Lawes at the lineout, high tackle on Bastereaud etc. All avoidable. All down to poor discipline.

Rugby does not have rules. It has laws and laws are open to interpretation

Squatter

OldRio wrote: »

What are these rules of which you speak?

Some of have great difficulty in typing the word "Lawes" - especially after an English match!

dastardly00

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

as ken early said " its 30 men wrestling for 80 minutes while the referee arbitrarily awards 3 points to each team at various intervals"

I wouldn't necessarily agree with anything that Ken Early says.

Ardillaun

razorblunt wrote: »

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

you think France look well coached?

I didn’t say that, did I? They didn’t need a coach to come in and make them world beaters, they needed someone to organise them and make them hard them beat and play to their strengths as they currently are.

That’s exactly what he’s done.

I think those backs are capable of more in attack than they are showing. Hopefully, a settled squad will deliver more. Real Verdun spirit in defence, though.

corny

The BBC narrative of France being unfit and wanting a slow game just baffles me at this stage. More than any other team France are trying to play with dynamism and tempo. In fact they play too fast for their own good most of the time.

Every one of their 'analysts' reads from the same hymn sheet.

ClanofLams

Possible for England to finish 5th depending on results next week (2nd also possible of course). Naturally if Ireland win not many on here will care much what the order behind is but 5th would be a quite remarkable fall from grace for the back to back champions.

BBDBB

ClanofLams wrote: »

Possible for England to finish 5th depending on results next week (2nd also possible of course). Naturally if Ireland win not many on here will care much what the order behind is but 5th would be a quite remarkable fall from grace for the back to back champions.

I believe the phrase is “icing on the cake”






Mmmmmmmmm cake

Burkie1203

BBDBB wrote: »

I believe the phrase is “icing on the cake”






Mmmmmmmmm cake

So long as it's not Venjur supplying the icing. ðŸ€

mangobob

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

the ref does what he wants. you cant control him.

You may not be able to control him, but you certainly can influence him. Hence why Murray does all that flapping and yapping that you so despise

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

it seems like a bit of a closed shop. either drink the koolaid or youre not welcome.

Not sure if you are referring here to your views being expressed on this forum, but I for one appreciate your unique and (dare I say) contrarian perspectives. I disagree with many of them but I find others insightful and in fairness you also got the 20 point margin spot on. So fair play sir :cool:

razorblunt

Ardillaun wrote: »

I think those backs are capable of more in attack than they are showing. Hopefully, a settled squad will deliver more. Real Verdun spirit in defence, though.

You’re not wrong but he only came on board in January so I don’t think there was time for anything fancy, not that fancy would be Brunel’s style anyway.
I like the winger Grosso though not afraid to get stuck in, a far cry from Huget.

Shefwedfan

Didactic Ninja wrote: »

i don't read into penalty counts. its so subjective. the ref does what he wants. you cant control him.

as ken early said " its 30 men wrestling for 80 minutes while the referee arbitrarily awards 3 points to each team at various intervals"

You can and talk to any international and they will say the exact same. I think it was discussed on podcast the other day. So some ref's you can talk to after a decision, some like Barnes you can't. If you do he wil march it 10m forward.

Also they are always hot on something, breakdown etc, so if you know they are hot on breakdown then you dont mess around at the breakdown.....

If the other team continue to give penalties away then at breakdown you can start to push it because the ref will auto think it is the team that gave away all the penalties to start with

Burkie1203

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You can and talk to any international and they will say the exact same. I think it was discussed on podcast the other day. So some ref's you can talk to after a decision, some like Barnes you can't. If you do he wil march it 10m forward.

Also they are always hot on something, breakdown etc, so if you know they are hot on breakdown then you dont mess around at the breakdown.....

If the other team continue to give penalties away then at breakdown you can start to push it because the ref will auto think it is the team that gave away all the penalties to start with

Barnes is much improved in dealing with players. Far more open with players the last few seasons.