Wesley College granted 150,000 in government grants to resurface their hockey pitch.

VinLieger

lawred2 wrote: »

Doesn't the state pay the teachers?

Indeed but a child in private school costs the state half the amount a child in public school costs

markodaly

Deleted User wrote: »

Y To think taxes from a sovereign Irish republic in 2018 subsidise that Irish culture-hating colonial hangover is galling.

Perhaps we should set fire to Trinity College so. Meet you tomorrow? :pac:

Thanks be to Jesus for the Fenians, Parnell, Michael Cusack, Conradh na Gaeilge and the Easter Rising for keeping the flame of well over a millennium of Irish cultural distinctiveness alive when every cultural cringe lowly educated Johnny-come-lately Irish knacker was (and still is) trying to emulate the coloniser's sport and wider culture. Amen.

Is this you by any chance?

markodaly

Ironiclly for Fuaranach or our resident Irish version of Tommy Robinson, Irish rugby is an all-Ireland affair, the only sport on the international stage where both North and South come together.

You wont find many unionists playing GAA but they will play rugby.

Wishbone Ash

Stephen15 wrote: »

...No one in Ireland bar a small minority of fee paying girls schools play hockey whereas most children and some adults play football....

WTF? What planet are you living on? We have a very long established men's hockey league. I know more men who play hockey than play football. What makes you think it's just played by girls in fee paying schools?

gandalf

I have a feeling that the parents of these kids pay an awful lot of tax so I don't see an issue with the school getting this grant. Is every grant that every organisation gets going to be scrutinised this way now?

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Every child in private education costs the state half the amount of a child in public education.

Source? As the vast majority of Irish secondary students are, in fact, in private education as things stand the equation of fee-charging students with private education does the reality a further disservice.

Furthermore, if the state were to put that €100 million subsidy to the 8% of schools that are fee-charging schools into building and developing a publicly owned school system it would get far greater economies of scale and we would end this preposterous situation of huge amounts of state money being used to build buildings on property owned by private organisations.

markodaly

markodaly wrote: »

This was a devastatingly original response, never before seen here. You must be exhausted from stretching your creativity so much.

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

So there were figures involved in football who were also members of the foreign occupation. But it doesn’t show that the sport was directly controlled by the occupying forces.

Actually, that's precisely what it showed if you go back and read it.

Zebra3 wrote: »

And you’ve refused to acknowledge the violence against Irish children by members of a foreign cult in support of the Gah.

Would this be the same foreign cult whose members set up Glasgow Celtic and who set up most of these rugby/cricket fee-charging schools? Strange how that is overlooked...

Zebra3 wrote: »

Or does it not fit into the bogballers deluded self-image of Irishness?...

Hmmm. What a pity.

markodaly

Deleted User wrote: »

This was a devastatingly original response, never before seen here. You must be exhausted from stretching your creativity so much.

So it was you? Better burn you Celtic FC jersey as its a relic of imperial foreign rule.

Your line of thinking belongs in 1921 not 2018 when most people could not care less.

markodaly

I don't get this hang up about soccer. It is a world game enjoyed by billions, are our resident bigots and philistines really going to give out about it? Would the same people favour keeping rule 27.

In 1938 Douglas Hyde, recently inaugurated as first President of Ireland, was removed as Patron of the GAA after attending an Irish soccer international. After Rule 27 was abolished in 1971,

The GAA has a long history of bigotry and sectarianism it was meant to fight.

The idea of people who play and enjoy sport like Soccer and Rugby are not as Irish as those who play in the GAA belongs to the Wahhabism school of Irish Republicanism. Extremists who should be shown the door.

Rubberchikken

150,000 wouldnt go anywhere towards the homeless
Issue. So bringing that into it is the usual rubbish.
It might get a basic house outside dublin but seemingly the homeless, the ones that make their opinion known anyhow, want to remain in the capital so let this school have its grant.

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

Source? As the vast majority of Irish secondary students are, in fact, in private education as things stand the equation of fee-charging students with private education does the reality a further disservice.

Furthermore, if the state were to put that €100 million subsidy to the 8% of schools that are fee-charging schools into building and developing a publicly owned school system it would get far greater economies of scale and we would end this preposterous situation of huge amounts of state money being used to build buildings on property owned by private organisations.

Heres the source, behind a pay wall unfortunately but ill quote the relevant paragraphs https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/time-to-end-this-divisive-debate-on-private-education-1.604805

Fee-paying schools in Ireland are often castigated for taking funds from the State at a time when more essential services provided in education are being cut back. Let me put that argument to bed quickly: the State has to pay teachers for every child. The fee-paying sector saves the State more than €90 million – circa €3,500 per student – annually. The State does not pay for the buildings or maintenance at Belvedere, and it doesn’t pay the capitation grants given to non-fee schools.
In short, a child who attends a non-fee school costs the State about €8,000 a year. The cost to the State of a child at Belvedere is about €4,500. Parents, who are taxpayers, make up the rest.

If we end, the subsidy there will be hundreds if not thousands of parents who suddenly cannot afford to send their children to private school and they will end up back in the public system, we currently don't have the space for them and that is an indisputable fact.

There is then the possibility of a domino effect so that depending on how many people stay on in the private schools a certain number of them may not be able to stay afloat due to student losses so they will close throwing the rest of their students back into the public system putting the public system under even more strain and getting the 100 million subsidy back is not going to fix it.


May I ask why you have a problem with rugby?

VinLieger

Deleted User wrote: »

Amen to that, too. My childcare costs in fees alone are slightly over €25,000 per annum so I'm decidedly unimpressed by the notions of these clowns who are trying to big up their €6,500 per annum fees for some outdated anglocentric secondary school in south Dublin. It's taking these parents a while to realise power has shifted and that Europe, not Britain, is where the power is now.

What are you even talking about with garbage chip on shoulder comments like that? You have a problem with the sport they play so their schools should be shut? You need to get out more

andekwarhola

CeilingFly wrote: »

maybe those earning good wages shouldn't pay tax then?

BTW - most parents of wesley pupils would not be considered wealthy. Most live in ballinteer area.

Ironically, anybody with a child in full time childcare in Ireland is paying far more annually than it would cost to send the kid to somewhere like Wesley for a year.

I don't think it's the preserve of the wealthy although if fee paying schools didn't recieve the state support that they do, you could argue that the fees would probably be way beyond what many could afford.

Edit, I see that point has already been made.

andekwarhola

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

How about arguing the substantive issue?

If there is so much outrage here for a €150,00 grant for a schools sporting facilities, why no outrage over the richest sporting organisation in the country getting €30 million from the Taxpayer to upgrade a stadium?

While other codes aren't allowed to use the stadia (unless, of course, they fork out millions for the privilege a-la FAI and Croke Park)

JohnnyFlash

Jaysus, I think this thread is a perfect example of why boards.ie is seen as being a place on the internet that is full of argumentative weirdos.

VinLieger

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Jaysus, I think this thread is a perfect example of why boards.ie is seen as being a place on the internet that is full of argumentative weirdos.

A discussion board that has people arguing about various topics? Im shocked, cus that doesnt happen anywhere else on the Internet at all.........

If you think boards is full of weirdos youve lived a very sheltered life

ted1

lawred2 wrote: »

Ajsoprano wrote: »

At the end of the day ask yourself where would these kids be if there were no fee paying schools.

In public schools using all the money.

So a private school saves the taxpayer money.

Why shouldn’t they get a bit of funding when they pay for their own teachers and heating and stuff.

If it was found that they got a disproportionate amount of funding I’d be annoyed but disadvantages areas get funding too.

Doesn't the state pay the teachers?

They pay for some of the teachers but unlike free schools they don’t pay fir the upkeep or buildings so the private school saves the state money there.

nice_guy80

Ajsoprano wrote: »

At the end of the day ask yourself where would these kids be if there were no fee paying schools.

In public schools using all the money.

So a private school saves the taxpayer money.

Why shouldn’t they get a bit of funding when they pay for their own teachers and heating and stuff.

If it was found that they got a disproportionate amount of funding I’d be annoyed but disadvantages areas get funding too.

that is the most ridiculous argument ever
the STATE pays for the salaries of all the teacher

so the private colleges can afford things like excellent sports facilities

our club got 2000 euro as we were looking for a mower to cut the grass. we don't have one. and the pitch is used by men's, women's, boys and girls teams

we had sheep on it over the winter to keep the grass down

VinLieger

nice_guy80 wrote: »

that is the most ridiculous argument ever
the STATE pays for the salaries of all the teacher

No they don't private schools pay a percentage of their teachers themselves, id say on average probably max its about 50% of their teaching staff for the bigger private schools with 20-30% for smaller ones and the state pays the rest. That way they get smaller class sizes and is one of the benefits of sending your child to private school.

So don't talk about things you know nothing about.

tuisginideach

nice_guy80 wrote: »

that is the most ridiculous argument ever
the STATE pays for the salaries of all the teacher

Incorrect. 100% incorrect.

The DES pays the salaries of the teachers employed by the DES to teach in the school. The school pays the salaries of the teachers employed directly by the school.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Yet more corporate welfare; great to see our taxes being handed to private businesses to enhance their value rather than invested in publicly owned schools.

What a really bad joke is the fact that only c. 15% of all Irish schools are owned by the Irish state but our taxes are used to perpetuate the existing private businesses which own our schools (most of the 85% of schools that are privately owned are not fee-charging, even though people wrongly equate fee-charging schools with private schools).

the Royal Irish Yacht Club, whose first commodore was the Prince of Wales, received €25k as well.

i thought you might like to know.

joe stodge

my kids cant even get a permanent school building.

despite the department of education promising it would have been finished in 2016, then 2017 and now were in 2018 and it hasn't even been started yet.

the builder is now looking for the land that the 2 prefab schools are on back as he has built everywhere else.

but its nice to hear they've got €150,000 for a hockey pitch resurfacing.

VinLieger

Aegir wrote: »

the Royal Irish Yacht Club, whose first commodore was the Prince of Wales, received €25k as well.

i thought you might like to know.

Good point, having a look at the list it looks like nearly every yacht club in the country received funding in some regard, many of the oldest clubs would similarly have been founded by English royalty or members of the peerage.

Would love to see Fuaranch's reaction to what I assume they consider a betrayal of our countries heritage or some other garbage

VinLieger

joe stodge wrote: »

my kids cant even get a permanent school building.

despite the department of education promising it would have been finished in 2016, then 2017 and now were in 2018 and it hasn't even been started yet.

the builder is now looking for the land that the 2 prefab schools are on back as he has built everywhere else.

but its nice to hear they've got €150,000 for a hockey pitch resurfacing.

Well this is from the department of sports so i think your problem might be outside their scope

steddyeddy

Gatling wrote: »

Key words Our Taxes


, Their taxes , everyones taxes

They likely pay more into tax pot than most others ,

They're kids aren't they? I don't think that's quite true.

VinLieger

VinLieger wrote: »

Well this is from the department of sports so i think your problem might be outside their scope

and these pitches aren't just used by the schools.

I know a private school near me was given a big chunk of money to help it build a water based pitch a few years ago. it is the only one of its kind in Ireland and is the standard for international hockey matches.

The Irish national teams now have somewhere they can train and play matches that is of international standard and without it, they would probably have had to go to the UK to train prior to the Brazil Olympics.

Incidentally, the department of education effectively forced three local schools to merge, on the basis it would fund new buildings. twenty years later, they still have some of the original pre fabs in use.