Skoda Citigo E

liamog

You wouldn't get a 10k subsidy on this car, the VRT would only be around €3,000
If you do a straight VAT conversion from €20,000 in Germany you end up with an Irish price of €20,672, the VRT would be about €2,900 (so zero after incentive)

The SEAI grant is €5,000 for cars listed over €20,000, so could end up being around €16,000.

Mike9832

liamog wrote: »

You wouldn't get a 10k subsidy on this car, the VRT would only be around €3,000
If you do a straight VAT conversion from €20,000 in Germany you end up with an Irish price of €20,672, the VRT would be about €2,900 (so zero after incentive)

The SEAI grant is €5,000 for cars listed over €20,000, so could end up being around €16,000.

At €16,000 it's the ultimate commuter car

Its got the same range as a €30,000 ffs

It basically free motoring for people doing even 15k km or more per year

Hopefully it does come out at €16,000 and gets race to the bottom going with Dacia etc following suit

This is the car Tesla should have built instead of the Model 3 and it killing the Model S

They might still have a business model then

With that sort of pricing the is absolutely zero reason not to get this instead of some wheezy 1.0 petrol model. If you can charge it privately.

liamog

I'm basing my €20,000 German price on quotes such as the following from AutoExpress (https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/citigo/99236/all-electric-skoda-citigo-e-iv-revealed-for-2019-with-165-mile-range)

Prices have not been announced, but Skoda has hinted that the Citigo e iV will go on sale for "under €20,000" in Europe and before government incentives, so we anticipate a price around the £18,000 mark in the UK.

There were only 329 Citigo's sold in Ireland last year, I reckon if they got the supply correct then they could manage a full replacement.

beauf

The Up and Citigo is a lot smaller (in the rear) than many other 1.0 cars. I suspect it will end up being significantly more expensive. Regardless of the optimism here.

rivegauche

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2qslnh2Fiw

Interior shown here. Basically the same as any rental Citigo/Mii/Up! that you have had the pleasure of driving before except with a dial for state of battery charge and Climate Control.

At this stage for any family there is no reason why the second car to be an Electric be it a Citigo or Corsa or ID3 or Model3 depending on how well to do that family is. Leasing one of these will be cheaper than running a second secondhand or new petrol/diesel car.

One of these would make it an excellent 1st car also (thinking the likes of my soon to be 18 yo daughter) and I suspect the performance has been toned down a bit to help with the insurance prices for this target group.

unkel

samih wrote: »

One of these would make it an excellent 1st car also (thinking the likes of my soon to be 18 yo daughter)

Ha! So I wasn't the only one thinking that Would also prefer a Citigo over a Zoe (either too expensive or with battery lease)

Had a discussion with my girls and we decided that they don't need to learn to drive in a manual car. They'll be obsolete soon enough and they have no interest in classic cars

liamog

They've kept the performance at the exact same level as the current e-Up!.
I'll be selling my e-Up! when the ID.3 comes out, part of me really hopes the Citigo-E is closer to €20,000 after grants!

Mike9832

liamog wrote: »

They've kept the performance at the exact same level as the current e-Up!.
I'll be selling my e-Up! when the ID.3 comes out, part of me really hopes the Citigo-E is closer to €20,000 after grants!

Thought you said €16,000 for sure?

Why you hope for close to €20,000

At €16,000 I am buying one of these as 2nd car , it's practically free driving for me compared to my current Fabia

2000e fuel saving
500e tax
500-1000e maintenance

3,500e per year savings

Leaf etc at over €30,000 with same battey size are completely over priced in comparison

eCitigo will be the most popular commuter car in Ireland lol 😂

M7 be filled with them

Only thing

Will running this eCitigo at 120kmh for 150km a day be bad for the motor, under too much stress?

120 is very close to its top speed of 130

unkel

Mike9832 wrote: »

Only thing

Will running this eCitigo at 120kmh for 150km a day be bad for the motor, under too much stress?

120 is very close to its top speed of 130

Would be no problem at all for the motor. The top speed of 130km/h is limited as it is in all EVs, to protect range and prevent battery discharging too quickly.

liamog

Mike9832 wrote: »

Thought you said €16,000 for sure?

Why you hope for close to €20,000

I've to sell an e-Up! In April, if you can buy essentially twice the range in the same car and 6 years newer for only €16,000 it's going to put a cap on how much I can sell mine for.

unkel

I'll give you 5 grand for it Liam

Mike9832

liamog wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Thought you said €16,000 for sure?

Why you hope for close to €20,000

I've to sell an e-Up! In April, if you can buy essentially twice the range in the same car and 6 years newer for only €16,000 it's going to put a cap on how much I can sell mine for.

Cool

Do you honestly see it at €16,000?

Dont want to be disappointed again and see it at bloody €22,000 when it arrives

Besides ioniq when they had scrappage and a few early Leaf deals we have been rode hard by autogiants last few years

Its been ridiculous

Really hope it's different this time

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Only thing

Will running this eCitigo at 120kmh for 150km a day be bad for the motor, under too much stress?

120 is very close to its top speed of 130

Would be no problem at all for the motor. The top speed of 130km/h is limited as it is in all EVs, to protect range and prevent battery discharging too quickly.

Nice

Wont feel like I am driving the **** out of then

liamog

Mike9832 wrote: »

Do you honestly see it at €16,000?

Dont want to be disappointed again and see it at bloody €22,000 when it arrives

Really it depends on wether they are pricing these to sell or not?
By calculations with our current incentives, it should be, but my guess would be somewhere between 18,000 and 20,000.

Mike9832

liamog wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Do you honestly see it at €16,000?

Dont want to be disappointed again and see it at bloody €22,000 when it arrives

Really it depends on wether they are pricing these to sell or not?
By calculations with our current incentives, it should be, but my guess would be somewhere between 18,000 and 20,000.

Not inspiring confidence

€20,000 in 2020 for a tiny car is not progression

Ioniq was bought by many years ago for €25,000 and its a proper size car

EV scene is seriously depressing

Spat out my cornflakes the other morning when I saw the bloody eCorsa will be about €30,000

unkel

Couldn't agree more. Depressing is the right word. Fully agree with you that the biggest game changer possible would be something like a €15k Dacia or Skoda or something small and simple EV. With inherent almost zero running cost. Owners will love it. A bit sad that such an obvious evolution is not clear for the overwhelming majority of people, except a few who have the ability to think for themselves like you clearly do. And thankfully some other people in this forum.

Old diesel

Mike9832 wrote: »

liamog wrote: »

Mike9832 wrote: »

Do you honestly see it at €16,000?

Dont want to be disappointed again and see it at bloody €22,000 when it arrives

Really it depends on wether they are pricing these to sell or not?
By calculations with our current incentives, it should be, but my guess would be somewhere between 18,000 and 20,000.

Not inspiring confidence

€20,000 in 2020 for a tiny car is not progression

Ioniq was bought by many years ago for €25,000 and its a proper size car

EV scene is seriously depressing

Spat out my cornflakes the other morning when I saw the bloody eCorsa will be about €30,000

That 30 k is PRE grants though.

26 k euros when the 3,500 sterling UK grant is factored in.*

If it's got a nice spec, drives nicely - then with 100 kw charging, active cooling and bigger battery.

I think eCorsa at 26 k *could* work.

It's a somewhat different proposition to a Citigo Bigger, will likely have a bigger car feel and look to it vs Citigo.

With PSA underpinnings id also feel confident it's not going to be some of the crap Opel were turning out Corsa wise in the later years of the GM era.

Active cooling and that 100 kw charging means eCorsa could be your ONLY car able to do longer trips if needed.

(I'm assuming Corsa is exactly the same set up as e208).

*I'm guessing you got the 30 k from the same UK speculation of a 23 k sterling price including grant I did.

I got to 30 k euros on basis of a 26,500 sterling PRE grant price.

rivegauche

I'm not sure where all this hate for the Mii/Up!/Citigo is coming from. They are lovely little machines for buzzing around the city. I look forward to renting them when travelling.

Shefwedfan

rivegauche wrote: »

I'm not sure where all this hate for the Mii/Up!/Citigo is coming from. They are lovely little machines for buzzing around the city. I look forward to renting them when travelling.

Better off just ignoring....they are great little cars

beauf

rivegauche wrote: »

I'm not sure where all this hate for the Mii/Up!/Citigo is coming from. They are lovely little machines for buzzing around the city. I look forward to renting them when travelling.

What hate???

The only concern is the price.

unkel

+1

A basic spec supermini EV like a Zoe for the guts of €30k is absurd. If you can get a half decent car like a Dacia Sandero petrol for €10k, the EV equivalent can't really be much more than €15k if you want mass shifting to EVs

liamog

It's a bit ridiculous all right that a Zoe starts at €7,500 over a comparable Clio.
Without the grants, the implied cost is around €16,000 more. At current prices, the battery should only account for around €7,000 of that.

Here's hoping Skoda being part of VAG means they will price to sell (for emissions reasons) instead of making money out of middle-class greeny liberals.

unkel

liamog wrote: »

It's a bit ridiculous all right that a Zoe starts at €7,500 over a comparable Clio.

Base Clio is €16k
Base Zoe is €25k

That Zoe must have come down a bit in list price? I thought it was more. And you can probably get a bit of a discount there. You can in the UK.

Still, €25k for a super mini basic EV is too much. Hopefully the Citigo will come in at around the €16k mark. And hopefully other, even cheaper brand EVs like a Dacia will be thousands less again. I feel these base EVs should have small batteries for the entry level cars. They will suffice for many users for who thousands worth of extra battery would be overkill.

liamog

Like I said, a comparable Clio, there's extra equipment on the base Zoe that makes it more like the Dynamique Clio at €17,590, stuff like air conditioning and the sat nav.

That's a whole other issue, manufacturers not making entry-level cars!

rivegauche

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/06/seat-mii-electric-becomes-brands-first-ev-marks-end-of-ice-powered-model/

The Seat Mii is now being released. It looses 2miles or 5km of range depending on whose report you read. I assuem this is due to the alloy wheels fitted as standard.


Seat is now dropping all petrol versions from the Mii range.

It looks to be a higher specification than the Citigo entry model which is useful for me if I were to buy it as my discounts and incentives are calculated off the lowest trim level.
The dashboard looks like ultra-cheap laminate flooring.

beauf

beauf wrote: »

The Up and Citigo is a lot smaller (in the rear) than many other 1.0 cars. I suspect it will end up being significantly more expensive. Regardless of the optimism here.

I wonder is this why its not selling. Which is the only reason to drop the ICE version.

Just got this email from Skoda:

Dear Mr. samih

Thank you for contacting SKODA Customer Care and for your interest in the SKODA Brand.

Unfortunately the Citigo EV will not be made available in the Irish market Place, however we will be launching the SKODA Superb hybrid, hopefully towards the end of 2019.

Should you have any other queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.

beauf

There is a new UP with a similar drivetrain I think. I guess that will also be a rare car.

Old diesel

samih wrote: »

Just got this email from Skoda:

Dear Mr. samih

Thank you for contacting SKODA Customer Care and for your interest in the SKODA Brand.

Unfortunately the Citigo EV will not be made available in the Irish market Place, however we will be launching the SKODA Superb hybrid, hopefully towards the end of 2019.

Should you have any other queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Irish importer logic - no we aren't offering the car you are enquiring about - but we do have something totally different that's thus not what youd like*........

Never mind that the car NOT being offered is likely to be a better seller then the other "niche" car you are offering.

*the car been asked about being a much smaller full electric - and the customer very likely to want to spend less then the Superb PHEV price

Old diesel

Old diesel wrote: »

Irish importer logic - no we aren't offering the car you are enquiring about - but we do have something totally different that's thus not what youd like*........

Never mind that the car NOT being offered is likely to be a better seller then the other "niche" car you are offering.

*the car been asked about being a much smaller full electric - and the customer very likely to want to spend less then the Superb PHEV price

I actually specified that this would be for my mil. who's looking for as small car as possible.

unkel

You couldn't make it up

liamog

That's not a good sign.
For the triplets the CitiGo ICE is by far the biggest seller.

Car|2017|2018|2019
Citigo|219|329|114
Up|241|258|158
Mii|183|135|53

They're ending production of the ICE versions.

Old diesel

liamog wrote: »

That's not a good sign.
For the triplets the CitiGo ICE is by far the biggest seller.

Car|2017|2018|2019
Citigo|219|329|114
Up|241|258|158
Mii|183|135|53

They're ending production of the ICE versions.

Well I suppose the fact they are going all EV on those cars is pretty significant as EV milestones go.

So it's not a complete disaster.

Annoying though

Mike9832

samih wrote: »

Just got this email from Skoda:

Dear Mr. samih

Thank you for contacting SKODA Customer Care and for your interest in the SKODA Brand.

Unfortunately the Citigo EV will not be made available in the Irish market Place, however we will be launching the SKODA Superb hybrid, hopefully towards the end of 2019.

Should you have any other queries, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Haha

It gets better by the day

Was pretty interested in that car,

rivegauche

Those volumes of sales in Ireland are tiny. The car rental companies would have been their biggest Customers and there is no money in that.
No wonder they are dropping them in Ireland.

Old diesel

rivegauche wrote: »

Those volumes of sales in Ireland are tiny. The car rental companies would have been their biggest Customers and there is no money in that.
No wonder they are dropping them in Ireland.

You would think that going EV would (at the right price) open up a new market for these cars in Ireland.

rivegauche

The new market being cheap tax? As long as you can a young diesel from the UK which officially emits less than 120g/km co2 regardless of what their true fuel consumption happens to be there is little incentive to purchase proper low emission vehicles.

unkel

No, the new market being younger more environmentally aware people. The cars my teenage daughters aspire to as their first car in a few years time. Automatic, no need to learn to drive a manual. Charge up at home for free, not having to think about maintenance, timing belts, checking oil and all that crap. Cheaper to run per month than their mobile phone.

And the new market in car sharing like go car. See them everywhere these days and very few of them are EV, even their BMW i3 are all just PHEV

Mike9832

rivegauche wrote: »

Those volumes of sales in Ireland are tiny. The car rental companies would have been their biggest Customers and there is no money in that.
No wonder they are dropping them in Ireland.

A market for a €17,000 250km EV would be huge

Cost savings would be insane

M7 would be full of them

Really need a EV Chinese autogiant to emerge

Sick of these autogiants

Mike9832

Mike9832 wrote: »

A market for a €17,000 250km EV would be huge

Cost savings would be insane

M7 would be full of them

Really need a EV Chinese autogiant to emerge

Sick of these autogiants

Unfortunately it's not as simple as that, look at the Kona, cheap car , very expensive battery. Look at the cost of the petrol V the EV .

Very few People want a 20 Kwh EV or even a 40 Kwh EV , the minimum the majority will want is 60 Kwh whether they need it often or not and I can't see prices drop much for a few years.

A 60 kWH Zoe for 15 K same as the Petrol Clio would sell like hotcakes. Not going to happen for years.

It's 10 years since Leaf MK I was born and Nissan still have no plans for a 2nd EV model. Amazing !

Citigo e was supposed to be a cheap car with a cheap battery for approx. extimated 16-17k OTR. It would have been mad not to buy one for a longish commute with that money.

liamog

People don't want a €30,000 40kWh car, but I suspect many would be happy with an €18,000 40kWh. The Renault Zoe is only behind the Model 3 for YTD European sales.

rivegauche

https://www.skoda-media.de/

Skoda Citigo iV available to lease for 145 euro per month in Germany.
3 year lease. 10,000km per year.

That is a very cheap and low risk way in to EV ownership for the 2nd car in a family.
€20900 rather than the claimed under €20000 so maybe they have dropped the lower trim level.

beauf

Especially if you take the lower running costs into account.

Mike9832

rivegauche wrote: »

https://www.skoda-media.de/

Skoda Citigo iV available to lease for 145 euro per month in Germany.
3 year lease. 10,000km per year.

That is a very cheap and low risk way in to EV ownership for the 2nd car in a family.
€20900 rather than the claimed under €20000 so maybe they have dropped the lower trim level.

Sounds great alright

Not coming to Ireland

Pity

rivegauche

The point is that this is one monthly payment and they used to market this in the industry as "one payment and then just add petrol". Now you don't even have to add petrol, just insure it and take it for a check-up which costs about €80 a year. Leave it back at the end of 3 years without ever having to change consumables or visit the NCT centre. That is an enticing offer.

Mike9832

rivegauche wrote: »

The point is that this is one monthly payment and they used to market this in the industry as "one payment and then just add petrol". Now you don't even have to add petrol, just insure it and take it for a check-up which costs about €80 a year. Leave it back at the end of 3 years without ever having to change consumables or visit the NCT centre. That is an enticing offer.

It is

But its not going to be coming here

rivegauche

Mike9832 wrote: »

It is

But its not going to be coming here

Your "here" and my "here" are two different places.
I'll be making an enquiry about it when the multi-brand EV roadshow comes to the car park in Work next week although I can afford better. It certainly blows the Smart out of the water which still has a 17,6kwh battery despite a facelift