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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt. 2
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Business Cat wrote: »Klopp, Poch and Pep at the moment.
With the exception of Pep this season none of them deserve any major kudos but even at that he took the helm of a team that has spent well over €1,000,000,000 in the last 10 years so winning the league should be the minimum.
Poch has arguably been the best considering his spending has been dwarfed by those around him. But still and all, he has won nothing. And i don't want to hear any bullshyt about net spend either.
If Liverpool win the CL then Klopp will rightly get praise for it as it would be against expectations at the beginning of the season but the preening nonsense that is been levelled at him is currently, imo, unfounded.
I agree with you on most of that BC. Especially about Pep and how winning the PL at City, after the feats of the 'inferior' Mancini and Pellegrini before him, is the minimum expectation of Pep. I had that debate with bangkok a few weeks ago.
However, as much as it pains me to say it, I disagree about Klopp. I think as things stand he has done quite well with Liverpool this season and is deserving of some praise. He has made a very strong attacking team out of players who mostly weren't like that when he got them.
Liverpool can spend large when they do spend (VVD), but I think it's only fair to suggest that Klopp hasn't got the resources at his disposal which most other Top 6 managers do. He has James Milner playing better and receiving more plaudits than James Milner had any right to at this stage in his career. He has made Oxlade-C an important part of a potent attack, finally. Yes, Ox is injured now but that £35m fee didn't seem so laughable by the time he picked up that injury.
People can say that Klopp was lucky to have Salah, but he chose to sign Salah and made the conditions in the attack ripe for him to thrive. Also, as much as Salah has been scoring, all of their attack have stepped up over the last few months.
Earlier in the season I wouldn't have rated Klopp too highly, but unfortunately that has changed since then. He has done all this while losing his 'best' player in Coutinho. That was supposed to be the end of Liverpool's season, remember? Not the fúcking start of it
The way I see it, 90 minutes of football and Liverpool's name going on the CL trophy doesn't make or break Liverpool's season or Klopp's progress with them. As it stands in the CL without winning it, they have exceeded expectations. If they finish in the Top 4 to add to that, I think he has excelled this season and deserves some praise.
I know this isn't the Liverpool thread, and I'm not too fond of reading excessive fawning over opposition managers, but since it's topical I'm saying it once and in one post only - Kloppo is doing well at Liverpool.
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Business Cat wrote: »I'm actually convinced that you are some kind of evil genius that has been fishing us all in for the last few years.
You said United were talked about for playing great football.
You move the posts so much you should work for a fencing contractor.
Good god.
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Back in the 80s United were very much a cup team. They could play with flair, and on their day could beat anyone.
Then Fergie arrived and he started re-building a team that was capable of winning the league. He definitely retained an element of flair and you usually (certainly not always) got entertainment. United fans resented the fact they had not won the league for 20+ years, and consoled themselves that at least they played an entertaining form of football.
Fergie addressed the issue that had been caused by Big Ron before him. He re-introduced a proper youth system and that paid dividends. He knew that the fans were desperate to win the league, and certainly would have taken it with any style of football. However he stood by that entertaining style. He bough Lee Sharpe and introduced Giggs. The biggest contribution to their subsequent success was, in my view, Schmeichel who was bought the year they stopped the back pass. Schmeichel was perfectly suited to that new rule and could distribute the ball as well as any of the defenders at the club. That encouraged more flair football which was compounded when Cantona arrived. The team was packed with players who could entertain. Yes the defence was solid, without excessive flair, but everywhere else on the pitch you could look and hope for the unexpected and often would not be disappointed
We had the likes of Kanchelskis - perhaps one dimensional, but when you pointed him in that direction there was hardly any stopping him. Cantona embraced the fledglings and they rapidly grew in stature. United were winning titles, but unlike all those teams before them (certainly the previous 26 years), they were going to do it in a stylish fashion, and you could expect something special most weeks. That continued throughout the nineties and into the noughties, with Fergie appreciating United needed style players. We went after Ronaldinho but settled for Ronaldo who lit up half a decade.
Yes in Fergie's latter years it became as much a matter of winning trophies, but they at least continued doing it in a stylish fashion even if not hitting the heights of a decade or more previously.
Like it or lump it, Klopp is showing a similar aptitude to delivering a team that entertains. Their challenge will always be defence, whereas Fergie much of the time had world class keepers and a very solid defence.
Now the tables are turned and they are playing with flair, and we are playing for results. It will change back at some stage, because United are steeped in the tradition of winning things in style. In the meantime we probably need to accept the headlines are currently focussed on other clubs.
Would I have it any other way? For what we have seen over the last 28 years or so I'm happy to take a bit more of a lean time given the worldwide attraction of the club will hopefully ensure we are back in the headlines for the right reasons and for another extended period. Indeed one thing I always console myself with is it's the lean times that make the good times feel so good
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Business Cat wrote: »Brendan Rodgers had Liverpool playing scintillating stuff by times in 13/14, will that be talked about in 2024? Nope, because they won nothing.
This is Liverpool you're talking about. Of course they will
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Adamocovic wrote: »I know it's always been the norm to go against Bangkok in here but it seems at times it's fuelled more to do with his reputation than his opinion.
Can even see the trend in the past couple of pages, Bangkok makes a point and most disagree with him, same point is made but fleshed out and it's applauded. It's something that appears to me is just growing. Really think no matter what he comes out with now it will be met with opposition.
Obviously most will give out about this post and disagree with me but so be it. With each day I check in on here and see the same shenanigans going on I find myself falling further towards the dark side of the thread.
Anyway Man United, nearly completely forgot the match was tonight!
been going on a long time now, no matter what i say, even when its a valid point is met with opposition by the same few posters who then gang up giving each other virtual hi fives and the likes.
anyway, its an internet forum, each to their own
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Business Cat wrote: »A well thought out and composed post will always be better received than a 1 or 2 liner, that goes for any forum on boards, I wouldn't have thought it needing spelling out tbh.
Bangkok has had form this year about posting in here bigging up Klopp, pep or Poch after we have had a bad result and naturally it rankles people. Again, I wouldn't have thought that was going to be a surprise.
and as i said before its much harder to do that when you are flying around and trying to post on a mobile phone, thats why majority of posts are short and sweet.
majority in here dont read long posts either, just ask thedoc
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been going on a long time now, no matter what i say, even when its a valid point is met with opposition by the same few posters who then gang up giving each other virtual hi fives and the likes.
anyway, its an internet forum, each to their own
The problem is that every single day you make this thread the Bangkok show, and people are tired of that, you might make a good point and then when it’s challenged, instead of expanding on your original point,you continuously shift the goalposts, shifting the goalposts isn’t valid discussion, it’s fecking annoying.
Look I’m not going to get into a back and forth with you over it and I’d never ignore a person on this forum but you need to look at the reason why so many(it’s not just a handful) are annoyed by your posting style.0 -
The tabloids have us linked to another Left-Winger.
Kluivert, that's right. Not Patrick but the young lad Justin playing at Ajax. This one.
Now my minds is telling me "Ridiculous tabloid journalism, we have a lot of LWs already, it's the RW we need to sort out."
But I'd be lying if I didn't say I'd love to see us make a go for him. 18 years old, maybe still young enough to get more familiar with the RW role and adapt to playing there, contract soon expiring, can send him out on loan but he has shown some very promising signs.
But he would be surplus to requirements really which is the negative. So I get people saying there is no point in pursuing him.0 -
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yabadabado wrote: »Ajax usually play him from the LW but he is right footed AFAIK.
He’s equally good with either foot imo, he has very good numbers for his age, he started the season off at RW I think before moving over and holding down the Left hand side so he does have experience on the right..
Jose is a big admirer supposedly, his agent is Mino btw
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