Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt. 2

Mitch Connor

bangkok wrote: »

All 3 of the above play in teams that are set up more to attack. Id say Valencia has a better tackle % than most of them

Tackles:

Valencia: 1.8
Walker: 1.5
Bellerin: 1.6
Trippier: 2.2

Valencia is also our main attacking outlet on the right hand side, with everything else central or left. Should his stats, offensively, not be higher than most given we set up so much to put him in space?

Lord TSC

I used to be a big critic of Val's defensive game, but I don't worry about him a fraction as much as I used to.

But the harsh reality is that if you want "better football" from United, then you need to replace Valencia on the right flank. He gets acres of space, acres of time, and routinely does nothing with it. Its not that he's closed down or hassled off the ball. Defenders give him loads of room because no one is sacred of his offensive abilities. Which would be one thing if he had a proper right wing player beside him, but he doesn't.

Our entire right flank is a barren wasteland, and you'd see the quality of football improve drastically with either a new RW or RB, or preferably both. Teams would find it harder to defend against us if they didn't have the luxury of ignoring the left side of the field.

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

All 3 of the above play in teams that are set up more to attack. Id say Valencia has a better tackle % than most of them

Another example of jose the genius so we have scored only 2 less then spurs and 6 less then arsenal.... he even able to score when he don't mean too.

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

Another example of jose the genius so we have scored only 2 less then spurs and 6 less then arsenal.... he even able to score when he don't mean too.

38 less than city. Far from genius

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

38 less than city. Far from genius

I compared to the two teams you said were setup to attack more then us. Spurs are far from an attacking team.

bangkok

jayo26 wrote: »

I compared to the two teams you said were setup to attack more then us. Spurs are far from an attacking team.

Even still, hardly genius being close to arsenal and spurs

jayo26

bangkok wrote: »

Even still, hardly genius being close to arsenal and spurs

Right so.

brinty

jayo26 wrote:

Right so.

Careful now jayo... you'll get into a circular argument and agree with him in no time just for peace sake...

Mitch Connor

regardless of how the team is set up in general - Valencia is the only player positioned to offer width on the right for most of the time.

The fact he doesn't create anything from that position isn't acceptable.

According to sqwaka its 21 chances created in 30pl appearances.According to them from Sep 17 to Nov 18 (7 matches) he didn't create a single chance - playing 90mins in all those games. We need him to be doing more - same as we need whoever we throw on the left to be creating chances too - cause we don't play with traditional wingers out there.

I do wonder how chance creation is defined though - player taking an attempt from a pass/cross?

http://www.squawka.com/players/antonio-valencia/stats#total-chances-created#manchester-united-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2017/2018#819#all-matches#1-34#pitch-view

RobbingBandit

Just stick a Lukaku mask on Rashford or Martial and hope for the best tonight.

Trigger

Mitch Connor wrote: »

:pac::D

Just looked at his stats for the league for this season.

30 games. 3 goals. 1 assist. 0.4 crosses per game. 0.7 key passes.

Assists
Walker - 6.
Bellerin - 3.
Trippier - 5.

Crosses
Walker - 0.2.
Bellerin - 0.3.
Trippier - 1.

Key Passes
Walker - 0.9.
Bellerin - 1.
Trippier - 1.7.

I wonder if crosses that don’t clear the first man or hit the defenders ankles are included in that

Trigger

Mitch Connor wrote: »

regardless of how the team is set up in general - Valencia is the only player positioned to offer width on the right for most of the time.

The fact he doesn't create anything from that position isn't acceptable.

According to sqwaka its 21 chances created in 30pl appearances.According to them from Sep 17 to Nov 18 (7 matches) he didn't create a single chance - playing 90mins in all those games. We need him to be doing more - same as we need whoever we throw on the left to be creating chances too - cause we don't play with traditional wingers out there.

I do wonder how chance creation is defined though - player taking an attempt from a pass/cross?

http://www.squawka.com/players/antonio-valencia/stats#total-chances-created#manchester-united-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2017/2018#819#all-matches#1-34#pitch-view

I think what makes that worse reading is that he is a converted winger, which means he should definitely be more than able to create chances, he just looks like he’s lost when he gets to the final 3rd. As you say, it’s definitely not acceptable

pjohnson

astradave wrote: »

I think what makes that worse reading is that he is a converted winger, which means he should definitely be more than able to create chances, he just looks like he’s lost when he gets to the final 3rd. As you say, it’s definitely not acceptable

Since that horrible leg break he has never really seemed to have the same confidence to take someone on and beat them. He bulked up instead and seemed to focus completely on the defensive side of the game.

bangkok

Fosu mensah back next season, had a good loan spell as well expect him to play a lot more

DM_7

Valencia does have the issue of travelling into traffic. It is not like teams are stretched as he brings the ball forward. His first job remains as right back so he can't just pile forward with no consideration of what will happen if he loses possesion un a challenge.

United are awful at defending when teams get chances to break on them. The conservative right side play is likely a conscious decision.

Trigger

pjohnson wrote: »

Since that horrible leg break he has never really seemed to have the same confidence to take someone on and beat them. He bulked up instead and seemed to focus completely on the defensive side of the game.

I thought he had his best season the year after that? I might be mistaken though

Liam McPoyle

Are we on't telly tonight?

ianob7

Business Cat wrote:

Are we on't telly tonight?

Yep ! Sky sports

hufpc8w3adnk65

Who picked our team tonight and what have they done with José?

3-4-3
Shaw and Tony V wing backs
No Matic
Sanchez Pog and Jesse front 3

hufpc8w3adnk65

Business Cat wrote: »

Are we on't telly tonight?

Bein sports 11 for me

pjohnson

I guess Sanchez up top and Young LW?

hufpc8w3adnk65

pjohnson wrote: »

I guess Sanchez up top and Young LW?

Young’s not playing

pjohnson

MrMac84 wrote: »

Young’s not playing

Yep Misread thought Lingard was Young.......

Its a back 5 anyway but not sure whats going on ahead of it. Is Pogba LW?

jayo26

pjohnson wrote: »

Yep Misread thought Lingard was Young.......

I can see how that happened....

Lord TSC

MUFC XI : De Gea, Lindelof, Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Pogba, Herrera, Scott, Lingard, Sanchez

Guessing...

DDG
Val, Lindelof, Jones, Smalling, Shaw
Herrera, Scott
Pogba
Sanchez, Lingard

?

jayo26

Lord TSC wrote: »

MUFC XI : De Gea, Lindelof, Valencia, Jones, Smalling, Shaw, Pogba, Herrera, Scott, Lingard, Sanchez

Guessing...

DDG
Val, Lindelof, Jones, Smalling, Shaw
Herrera, Scott
Pogba
Sanchez, Lingard

?

The shame of five at the back against moyes.

Loafing Oaf

God that's a defensive line-up even by Mourinho standards.:eek:

Lord TSC

jayo26 wrote: »

The shame of five at the back against moyes.

It should give Shaw a lot of freedom to get up the flank though. You could as easily say it's three at the back and frame it as

Lindelof Smalling Jones
Valencia - Herrera - McT - Shaw
Pogba
Lingard - Sanchez

DM_7

That team, an indicator how pissed off Jose was with Mata, Rashford and Martial the last day?

Liam O

Could just as easily be a 4-3-3 with Valencia on the right of front 3 and Lindelof RB

Liam McPoyle

I said a few years ago id love to see Shaw get a crack as LW, be interesting to see if that's where is deployed.

Lord TSC

astradave wrote: »

I thought he had his best season the year after that? I might be mistaken though

His injury was in 2010/11

He won the Matt busby Player of the Year award and Player's Player of the Year award in 2011/2012

Liam McPoyle

MrMac84 wrote: »

Bein sports 11 for me

Which one?

jayo26

Business Cat wrote: »

Which one?

12

Trigger

I could see that as a back 4 with Lindelof playing the Matic role

ianob7

Good shout!! Didnt I read somewhere that he's played CDM before ??

Quick Google and turns out he started as midfielder

hufpc8w3adnk65

Business Cat wrote: »

Which one?

Bein 11 after the Arsenal thing at 7:30

jayo26

MrMac84 wrote: »

Bein 11 after the Arsenal thing at 7:30

Guide still working anyway

bangkok

Who picked that utd team moyes or jose?!

jayo26

jayo26 wrote: »

The shame of five at the back against moyes.

7 at the back surely

Trigger

Smalling lets Marco walk around him

ShooterSF

Jose trying to get as many defenders in the shop window as possible?

Trigger

ShooterSF wrote: »

Jose trying to get as many defenders in the shop window as possible?

On the first 12 mins anyways, no one is going to go near Smalling

hufpc8w3adnk65

We really look at times like 11 fellas who never played together before with the amount of ball we waste when trying a simple pass or 1/2

J. Marston

Another Jon Moss shìtshow on the cards.

jayo26

Lose ball goes out wide right but as usual no one in a mile of it.

Trigger

Herrera does a Fellaini

Trigger

J. Marston wrote: »

Another Jon Moss shìtshow on the cards.

That could easily have been a red card to cresswell, not even a free

Quandary

Anyone else here absolutely hating this formation and team selection?

Trigger

Unlucky Mc! Some shot