Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt. 2

Will I Am Not

Remember Büttner. He was sh*te But there was something loveable about the mad bastard :pac:

brinty

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Yeah, I had high hopes for him

I was talking with a lad in work yesterday about players that fell by the wayside. He was going on about N’gog, Teixeira, Insua etc at Liverpool.
There’s been loads at United.
Thinking about the likes of Manucho, Possebon and Henríquez brought back memories

Ravel Morrison is actually a teammate of Henríquez in Mexico.

And how could i forget the great

Dong Fangzhou....

brinty

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Yeah, I had high hopes for him

I was talking with a lad in work yesterday about players that fell by the wayside. He was going on about N’gog, Teixeira, Insua etc at Liverpool.
There’s been loads at United.
Thinking about the likes of Manucho, Possebon and Henríquez brought back memories

Ravel Morrison is actually a teammate of Henríquez in Mexico.

And Ricardo the spanish keeper.....

Cantona's Collars

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Remember Büttner. He was sh*te But there was something loveable about the mad bastard :pac:

Remember the video of the mad street party when he signed for United.

Trigger

brinty wrote: »

And Ricardo the spanish keeper.....

He had an alright career with Osasuna.. he’s managing down the leagues in Spain now I think.

yabadabado

brinty wrote: »

So far i'm counting our potential transfers as follows

Alderweirald
Savic
Alex Sandro
Fred
Bonucci


Am i missing anyone....

No Neymar :eek:

pjohnson

Didn't Büttner and Powell both debut and score in the same match, back when we used to always put 4 past Wigan :pac:

pjohnson

Also Bebe worth a mention both himself and Manucho went on to have quite respectable careers in Spain.

Edit.

Adem Ljajic who nearly joined with Zoran Tosic in a double deal when we were signing all the serbs :pac:

pjohnson

Is Bonucci not like Seri in that he has zero chance of moving to England? Doesn't he have a disabled child which means he ruled out ever leaving Italy?

Lord TSC

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I'd say he'd get away with a slight regression in the league if he made the CL semi or finals in parallel.

Yeah, there'd be context things too. If we won the CL, FA and League cup but came 10th playing scoring 200 goals, and so on....

I was trying to keep it purely bout the league though for now.

yabadabado

pjohnson wrote: »

Is Bonucci not like Seri in that he has zero chance of moving to England? Doesn't he have a disabled child which means he ruled out ever leaving Italy?

Iirc his kid is/was extremely I'll and he wouldnt leave Italy when he was in treatment.

I'd prefer Alderweireld, Bonucci is excellent but TA is proven in the league and 2 years younger.

MagicIRL

brinty wrote: »

So far i'm counting our potential transfers as follows

Alderweirald
Savic
Alex Sandro
Fred
Bonucci


Am i missing anyone....

Snjeider and Gaitan :pac:

brinty

MagicIRL wrote: »

Snjeider and Gaitan :pac:

and Garay.....

TheDoc

Is Shaqiri a mental left field suggestion to snap up from relegated Stoke for our right wing?

I've always rated him, and think he's done generally really well for Stoke. Talk of a £12m release clause in his contract if Stoke got relegated....think we could so worse, there isn't really a long list of RW players of note or quality.

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

Is Shaqiri a mental left field suggestion to snap up from relegated Stoke for our right wing?

I've always rated him, and think he's done generally really well for Stoke. Talk of a £12m release clause in his contract if Stoke got relegated....think we could so worse, there isn't really a long list of RW players of note or quality.

He always strikes me as the best player in a small team but fails to step up to the big teams cause he wouldn’t be the main man..

chips1234

TheDoc wrote: »

Is Shaqiri a mental left field suggestion to snap up from relegated Stoke for our right wing?

I've always rated him, and think he's done generally really well for Stoke. Talk of a £12m release clause in his contract if Stoke got relegated....think we could so worse, there isn't really a long list of RW players of note or quality.

i said this to a mate a while ago, think i would snap take him as long as we get someone else also for right wing and use him as squad player, hes a tank too think he could do a job for anyone in the premier league.

Trigger

yabadabado wrote: »

Iirc his kid is/was extremely I'll and he wouldnt leave Italy when he was in treatment.

I'd prefer Alderweireld, Bonucci is excellent but TA is proven in the league and 2 years younger.

His son had major surgery 2 years ago and has recovered well IIRC

TheDoc

Will I Am Not wrote: »

Remember Büttner. He was sh*te But there was something loveable about the mad bastard :pac:

In fairness to him had that one game where he had Robben in his pocket (or might have been Ribery) in the CL first leg tie

He was on a bit of a hiding to nothing when the stories emerged when we signed him that scouts where questioning the managers decision and ambition based on him being put in as like the 5th/6th choice LB in a list.

pjohnson

Shaqiri is left footed and cuts inside. If we want a left footed RW that cuts inside we have Mata.

pjohnson

Maybe Gelson Martins as an answer to RW? Sporting Lisbon appear to be literally melting so he could even be a free transfer!

Trigger

pjohnson wrote: »

Maybe Gelson Martins as an answer to RW? Sporting Lisbon appear to be literally melting so he could even be a free transfer!

Can’t say I blame the players for wanting out of there after what happened.. most of the players are looking to have their contracts ripped up.

MagicIRL

Shaqiri is a shout. If nothing else, he offers depth on a barren RW in the current team.

pjohnson

astradave wrote: »

Can’t say I blame the players for wanting out of there after what happened.. most of the players are looking to have their contracts ripped up.

President seems a looper all together

Trigger

pjohnson wrote: »

President seems a looper all together

He threatened the players before saying he would have the Ultras sort them out, he’s bleedin Cuckoo!

chips1234

astradave wrote: »

He threatened the players before saying he would have the Ultras sort them out, he’s bleedin Cuckoo!

wait this actually happened ? hahahaha

pjohnson

chips1234 wrote: »

wait this actually happened ? hahahaha

A group of Ultra's attacked Bas Dost so bad he can't play this weekend, he has scored 34 goals this year for them....

Lord TSC

TheDoc wrote: »

Is Shaqiri a mental left field suggestion to snap up from relegated Stoke for our right wing?

I've always rated him, and think he's done generally really well for Stoke. Talk of a £12m release clause in his contract if Stoke got relegated....think we could so worse, there isn't really a long list of RW players of note or quality.

The Stoke fans never seem to be too enthralled with him for some reason. I get the feeling he loves to step up in the big games, but then goes MIA for the other 90%

chips1234

pjohnson wrote: »

A group of Ultra's attacked Bas Dost so bad he can't play this weekend, he has scored 34 goals this year for them....

wtf i shouldnt laugh ofc but that is just ridiculous

bangkok

Shaqiri isnt a team player and has a very lazy attitude. We wont see him anywhere near a jose team

Trigger

chips1234 wrote: »

wait this actually happened ? hahahaha

Yep, there is a thread on it, gives a bit more details

yabadabado

Why bother with Shaqiri as a squad option?
Buy a starting RW and have Mata,Jesse,Young Rashford as back up options.
There is enough squad players already United need to improve the first choice xi and I dont see Shaqiri doing that.
He may be low cost but id rather spend big and get a major up grade on the postion.

Cantona's Collars

Moyes has left West Ham. I blame Hart.

J. Marston

There is a reason Shaqiri's career progression has gone Bayern > crap Inter > relegated with Stoke.

Nowhere near good enough for the top level despite his occasional screamer.

Cantona's Collars

MagicIRL wrote: »

Shaqiri is a shout. If nothing else, he offers depth on a barren RW in the current team.

Well Luckhurst says that United have held informal talks with Willian. Maybe they took a leaf out of Klopps book and snapchatted him.

Fitz*

bangkok wrote: »

Shaqiri isnt a team player and has a very lazy attitude. We wont see him anywhere near a jose team

That's weird cos when I watch United this season, I often see attacks / goals coming from moments of individual brilliance rather than team play.

MagicIRL

yabadabado wrote: »

Buy a starting RW and have Mata,Jesse,Young Rashford as back up options.

This is the exact problem. None of them are proper RW players. Mata, yeah maybe, but even then not really.

You can't expect to fill in key areas with players who don't naturally play there. You just end up with shoe-horned players under-performing.

It's much better, imo, to have a quality RW player (Mahrez would be another shout) who starts every game and someone like Shaqiri in the squad so you know, if something goes wrong, at least you have a natural RW to fill in.

pjohnson

MagicIRL wrote: »

This is the exact problem. None of them are proper RW players. Mata, yeah maybe, but even then not really.

You can't expect to fill in key areas with players who don't naturally play there. You just end up with shoe-horned players under-performing.

It's much better, imo, to have a quality RW player (Mahrez would be another shout) who starts every game and someone like Shaqiri in the squad so you know, if something goes wrong, at least you have a natural RW to fill in.

Well now with our 3 man midfield formation Lingard would be considered a RW

bangkok

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Moyes has left West Ham. I blame Hart.

Did a good job for them. They stayed up BECAUSE moyes dropped hart

bangkok

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Moyes has left West Ham. I blame Hart.

Did a good job for them. They stayed up BECAUSE moyes dropped hart

brinty

brinty wrote: »

So far i'm counting our potential transfers as follows

Alderweirald
Savic
Alex Sandro
Fred
Bonucci
Willian

Am i missing anyone....

Willian added

Comic Book Guy

brinty wrote: »

Willian added

Tierney?

Trigger

Comic Book Guy wrote: »

Tierney?

And Neymar

Oh and we were linked to Matthew Bondswell today

Keep up Brinty

Trigger

If you want to go back a bit from say March or so you would have.

Alderweirald
Savic
Alex Sandro
Fred
Bonucci
Willian
Tierney
Neymar
Bale
Kluivert
Umtitti
Sessegnon
Fekir
Perisic(again)
Ghoulam
Joao Cancelo
Bondswell(U16)
Rose

That’s all I can think of

TheDoc

I see the United reddit published their Tier list for the window.

In fairness to that lot, they've had transfer rumour on lockdown for a number of years. I know Lord references reddit every now and then so can probably attest to usually how good this list is.

Their compiled Tier List that while they used to dictate rumours that can have their own thread there, it's usually a good indicator if stuff is based in reality or not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/wiki/transfer-reliability-guide

yabadabado

MagicIRL wrote: »

This is the exact problem. None of them are proper RW players. Mata, yeah maybe, but even then not really.

You can't expect to fill in key areas with players who don't naturally play there. You just end up with shoe-horned players under-performing.

It's much better, imo, to have a quality RW player (Mahrez would be another shout) who starts every game and someone like Shaqiri in the squad so you know, if something goes wrong, at least you have a natural RW to fill in.

Id want a proper RW bought and have Mata as back up. If both are injured/rested etc there are other options al ready in the squad.Shaqiri imo is no better than whats already at the club,I'd see his signing as adding another squad member for very little gain.


EG. If Willian was signed I'd expect him to start 3/4 of PL/CL games with Mata as the main back up.
Then players like Jesse/Young/Rashford as additional cover but may never be needed for the postion.
Chong has the potential to be excellent so he could be a genuine squad option over the coming 18 months.

Spend big on RW and get it right rather than adding unnecessary bloat to the squad.

MagicIRL

TheDoc wrote: »

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/wiki/transfer-reliability-guide

From the above:

Guillem Ballague (Sky Sports/Freelance/****) :pac:

Trigger

TheDoc wrote: »

I see the United reddit published their Tier list for the window.

In fairness to that lot, they've had transfer rumour on lockdown for a number of years. I know Lord references reddit every now and then so can probably attest to usually how good this list is.

Their compiled Tier List that while they used to dictate rumours that can have their own thread there, it's usually a good indicator if stuff is based in reality or not.

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/wiki/transfer-reliability-guide

That’s the sitewide reddit soccer list, and in fairness Castles should be at least tier 1 or 2 when it comes to Jose/United (and wolves now), anyone else and he’s hasn’t a notion

Lord TSC

Jones, Lingard, Young and Rashford get the callup for the World Cup

No Smalling.

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

If you want to go back a bit from say March or so you would have.

Alderweirald
Savic
Alex Sandro
Fred
Bonucci
Willian
Tierney
Neymar
Bale
Kluivert
Umtitti
Sessegnon
Fekir
Perisic(again)
Ghoulam
Joao Cancelo
Bondswell(U16)
Rose

That’s all I can think of

Bellerin
Johnny Evans
Toni Kroos
Seri

TheDoc

astradave wrote: »

That’s the sitewide reddit soccer list, and in fairness Castles should be at least tier 1 or 2 when it comes to Jose/United (and wolves now), anyone else and he’s hasn’t a notion

It's used in /r/soccer and other subreddits, but it originated in the United one