Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt. 2

Trigger

Lord TSC wrote: »

Jones, Lingard, Young and Rashford get the callup for the World Cup

No Smalling.

Was looking at the squad there, is it just me or did he select 5CB and 5FB but only 2 natural CM(and Dier)

yabadabado

astradave wrote: »

Was looking at the squad there, is it just me or did he select 5CB and 5FB but only 2 natural CM(and Dier)

He did,the squad is absolute dirt and completely lopsided.

It's the worst squad I can remember them sending to a tournament.

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

Bellerin
Johnny Evans
Toni Kroos
Seri

I don’t think we were actually linked to Evans though were we? We’re we not just discussing it as a potential as he was only 3m, don’t think anyone linked us.. Kroos and Seri yeah, dunno how I forgot Seri as I was only talking about him in work

When were we linked to Bellerin

Trigger

yabadabado wrote: »

He did,the squad is absolute dirt and completely lopsided.

It's the worst squad I can remember them sending to a tournament.

Basically Dier and Henderson for every game with RLC as a back up? If there is injuries there he’s absolutely ****ered, he’s still playing 352? With 2 CM and one number 10 isn’t he? Don’t know what he was thinking tbh..

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

Was looking at the squad there, is it just me or did he select 5CB and 5FB but only 2 natural CM(and Dier)

9 defenders 6 mid and 5 strikers

They playing a 3 5 2 formation so looks a decent squad. No "superstars" as such

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

9 defenders 6 mid and 5 strikers

They playing a 3 5 2 formation so looks a decent squad. No "superstars" as such

5 mid.. Dier Henderson RLC Lingard Alli. So one DM, 2 CM and 2 AM

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

Basically Dier and Henderson for every game with RLC as a back up? If there is injuries there he’s absolutely ****ered, he’s still playing 352? With 2 CM and one number 10 isn’t he? Don’t know what he was thinking tbh..

Delph is there as well.

Basically be

Butland

Walker stones cahill


Tripper dier henderson rose

Sterling kane welbeck

Trigger

bangkok wrote: »

Delph is there as well.

Basically be

Butland

Walker stones cahill


Tripper dier henderson rose

Sterling kane welbeck

So first you say he will play 352 and then proceed to put up a 343 line up ha.. Delph is listed under the defenders, though yeah he could be a back up LB and CM

I’d say he might go for the opening game

Pickford
Stones Maguire Cahill
Walker henderson Dier Rose
Alli
Kane Sterling

bangkok

astradave wrote: »

So first you say he will play 352 and then proceed to put up a 343 line up ha.. Delph is listed under the defenders, though yeah he could be a back up LB and CM

I’d say he might go for the opening game

Pickford
Stones Maguire Cahill
Walker henderson Dier Rose
Alli
Kane Sterling

Totally forgot alli. He was using walker in the back 3 for his pace. Trippier be rb

chips1234

astradave wrote: »

So first you say he will play 352 and then proceed to put up a 343 line up ha.. Delph is listed under the defenders, though yeah he could be a back up LB and CM

I’d say he might go for the opening game

Pickford
Stones Maguire Cahill
Walker henderson Dier Rose
Alli
Kane Sterling

he has welbeck in the starting line up his opinion isn't relevant, seriously though that midfield is gonna get destroyed they get out of the group given how easy it should be, bar belgium destroying them imo

yabadabado

bangkok wrote: »

Delph is there as well.

Basically be

Butland

Walker stones cahill


Tripper dier henderson rose

Sterling kane welbeck

Thats still very poor .They have a huge lack of quality in the squad.

Trigger

chips1234 wrote: »

he has welbeck in the starting line up his opinion isn't relevant, seriously though that midfield is gonna get destroyed they get out of the group given how easy it should be, bar belgium destroying them imo

Don’t let Bangkok hear you saying anything untoward about Dizzy Welbz

I agree, the only reason I could see him picking that is to bypass it going forward and using a more direct counter attacking style and leave the midfield to help out the defence without the ball. Defence>Alli/Sterling>Kane/shot

bangkok

chips1234 wrote: »

he has welbeck in the starting line up his opinion isn't relevant, seriously though that midfield is gonna get destroyed they get out of the group given how easy it should be, bar belgium destroying them imo

Ali in place of webeck. I said i forgot about him.

Anyway welbeck has 15 goals in 37 caps for england a very good record

chips1234

bangkok wrote: »

Ali in place of webeck. I said i forgot about him.

Anyway welbeck has 15 goals in 37 caps for england a very good record

it was a joke, still the fact welbeck is even being considered shows a huge lack of depth in the england squad imo, also the fact cahill gets picked over smalling is worrying for me as a united fan.

chips1234

astradave wrote: »

Don’t let Bangkok hear you saying anything untoward about Dizzy Welbz

I agree, the only reason I could see him picking that is to bypass it going forward and using a more direct counter attacking style and leave the midfield to help out the defence without the ball. Defence>Alli/Sterling>Kane/shot

yeah this is most likely it, it wont work but that will be the gameplan, disappointing but doesnt matter, semis are gonna be brazil/germany/belgium/france either way(not looked if they have to play each other before that)

FatherTed

chips1234 wrote: »

it was a joke, still the fact welbeck is even being considered shows a huge lack of depth in the england squad imo, also the fact cahill gets picked over smalling is worrying for me as a united fan.

Well Southgate did come out with this a few months ago...

Asked if he felt Smalling struggles to play the ball out from the back, Southgate replied: "No, I think he can. We have players like Stones and (Eric) Dier and Maguire who are even better.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/11110783/gareth-southgate-questions-chris-smallings-passing-ability

IBrows89

yabadabado wrote: »

He did,the squad is absolute dirt and completely lopsided.

It's the worst squad I can remember them sending to a tournament.

I genuinely don't think it's too bad, there's fairly strong cover for most positions as well. 5-4-1, formation not actually showing on the post

Butland
Walker Stones Jones/Maguire
Trippier Delph
Dier Henderson
Alli Sterling
Kane

Can see that team putting a pretty decent performance against most teams.

bangkok

chips1234 wrote: »

it was a joke, still the fact welbeck is even being considered shows a huge lack of depth in the england squad imo, also the fact cahill gets picked over smalling is worrying for me as a united fan.

Welbeck has proven though he is good enough for england. Good work rate, pace and tactical awarness. Smalling is poor though. His passing is awful

chips1234

FatherTed wrote: »

Well Southgate did come out with this a few months ago...


http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12016/11110783/gareth-southgate-questions-chris-smallings-passing-ability

yeah this is what worries me about him, he is just not good enough at the level we want to be at. in saying that do we trust southgates ability to recognize this tho ?

Mitch Connor

IBrows89 wrote: »

I genuinely don't think it's too bad, there's fairly strong cover for most positions as well.

Butland
Walker Stones Jones/Maguire
Trippier Delph
Dier Henderson
Alli Sterling
Kane

Can see that team putting a pretty decent performance against most teams.

much as I am loathe to discuss the england team in detail, in a united thread...


the problem is central midfield. The creativity, speed of pass and ability to bring it through the lines just isn't there, and that is what will do for them. They need a composed passer of the ball in there, and they don't have it, imo. Wilshere is the closest they could get ajd they are not bringing him

bangkok

Mitch Connor wrote: »

much as I am loathe to discuss the england team in detail, in a united thread...


the problem is central midfield. The creativity, speed of pass and ability to bring it through the lines just isn't there, and that is what will do for them. They need a composed passer of the ball in there, and they don't have it, imo. Wilshere is the closest they could get ajd they are not bringing him

Liverpools midfield doesnt look up to much either but it is good as a unit. Well drilled

chips1234

bangkok wrote: »

Welbeck has proven though he is good enough for england. Good work rate, pace and tactical awarness. Smalling is poor though. His passing is awful

i agree re: smalling but, welbeck being good enough for england ? i cant agree with that at all im sorry, he just isnt doesnt start regularly for arsenal atm and imo should not even be considered for england, in saying that if you asked me who else should take his place i really dont know what name id say, and that is where the depth in that english team lacks they just arent producing enough younger players to compete in these tournaments, look at the people brazil left out of their squad germany left out gotze etc they need to do more work producing players or they have no chance of ever competing in international tournaments imo

Mitch Connor

bangkok wrote: »

Liverpools midfield doesnt look up to much either but it is good as a unit. Well drilled

Henderson backing Can and AOC is a different kettle of fish though, imo. And I think Klopp is better at building an attacking side than Southgate, and Klopp had a lot more time than Southgate will have.

Also, one less defender in the side makes a difference.

TheDoc

Wouldn't be surprised to see them doing well enough all things considered.

If they can replicate some club form into the World Cup they will do alright. The attack is pretty good, the midfield is solid (Although expect Dier might get found out again) and the defence is being shaped to accommodate it's strengths.

IBrows89

Just looking at TFM's instagram, he has a few video's up from this season. He looks so quick in some of them, would there be much difference between him and Valencia. Valencia's strongest attribute is speed and that will be decreasing now with his age, a like for like replacement for this season?

Trigger

IBrows89 wrote: »

Just looking at TFM's instagram, he has a few video's up from this season. He looks so quick in some of them, would there be much difference between him and Valencia. Valencia's strongest attribute is speed and that will be decreasing now with his age, a like for like replacement for this season?

He’s deceptively quick but I don’t think he is good enough with the ball going forward or tactically aware in attack to be first Choice, reckon we will get a new Rb with Val being back up(if he wants) and if TFM wants to fight for a spot he can be a squad player who can cover a few positions(RB,CB&DM)

Cantona's Collars

If we don't see 3 signings by lunchtime tomorrow that's it..Jose out!!

Lord TSC

La Stampa: Alex Sandro on verge of finalising move to United for €50m, Official confirmation could come in next few days (but not before FA Cup final), Darmian will be allowed to go to Juve in a separate transfer (football-italia.net)

jayo26

Not bad for 50million euro if true

Mitch Connor

Would be a nice start to the summer.

Shorter window, World Cup year - I can see a lot of clubs looking to get business done before the wold cup starts.

Lord TSC

jayo26 wrote: »

Not bad for 50million euro if true

Especially if we sell them Darmian to knock some of that off. Wonder if we'll get 10m for Darmian though....

brinty

Lord TSC wrote: »

La Stampa: Alex Sandro on verge of finalising move to United for €50m, Official confirmation could come in next few days (but not before FA Cup final), Darmian will be allowed to go to Juve in a separate transfer (football-italia.net)

Ties in with my post from earlier. per that Transfer Market website he's valued at 50m so that's about a good price. Thought he was younger... will be 28 in January but looked if we get LB sorted out for a couple of years bring it on. We've not had a solid dependable LB since Uncle Paddy left

brinty

Lord TSC wrote: »

Especially if we sell them Darmian to knock some of that off. Wonder if we'll get 10m for Darmian though....

Darmian going the opposite way but in a separate deal

yabadabado

What would be a reasonable fee for Darmian?
He's surplus to requirements at the club so 10m probably best that can be hoped for.

yabadabado

Just realised Sandro wasn't picked for Brazilian squad.A nice easy summer for him and should be one of the first back for preseason.

Trigger

Lord TSC wrote: »

Especially if we sell them Darmian to knock some of that off. Wonder if we'll get 10m for Darmian though....

I think this is the key to any deal, Juve will love getting an Italian international into their squad at a reduced price. I’m sure we have been in touch with his reps a long time now and just had to gett the deal sorted with Juve

fatherted1969

Surprised Shelvey didn't make that squad. Can be a little fiery at times but is an excellent passer in a position where they don't have that many options

Drumpot

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Would be a nice start to the summer.

Shorter window, World Cup year - I can see a lot of clubs looking to get business done before the wold cup starts.

Agreed I feel like this could be a busy month for transfers. Im guessing 4 signings, at least 3 starters. A full back, Centre back, right and central midfielder would be nice

adox

I really hope all our signings are first 11 signings.

I’d like to see at least 4 possibly 5 but 4 at push is probably as much as we can hope for.

GSPfan

Why is everyone repeating the “want to get things done early” cliché? There has never been any Summer transfer window either during a World Cup/European Cup or otherwise that United have not wanted to get things done early. This is the sort of talk that exaggerates the frustration when nothing happens for long periods.

Stop repeating the obvious please, and stop winding yourselves up.

adox

Also no Smalling in the England squad, although expected is still a bit of a joke.

jayo26

GSPfan wrote: »

Why is everyone repeating the “want to get things done early” cliché? There has never been any Summer transfer window either during a World Cup/European Cup or otherwise that United have not wanted to get things done early. This is the sort of talk that exaggerates the frustration when nothing happens for long periods.

Stop repeating the obvious please, and stop winding yourselves up.

So your basically saying no discussion in a discussion forum?

Drumpot

GSPfan wrote: »

Stop repeating the obvious please, and stop winding yourselves up.

jayo26 wrote: »

So your basically saying no discussion in a discussion forum?

Headshot

my kingdom for Griezmann

Loafing Oaf

Drumpot wrote: »

Agreed I feel like this could be a busy month for transfers. Im guessing 4 signings, at least 3 starters. A full back, Centre back, right and central midfielder would be nice

I say forget all this and blow the whole budget on Griezman!:P (possibly because I'm watching the Europa League final ATM...)

bangkok

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I say forget all this and blow the whole budget on Griezman!:P (possibly because I'm watching the Europa League final ATM...)

Saul niguez brilliant player as well

GSPfan

jayo26 wrote: »

So your basically saying no discussion in a discussion forum?

Exactly. Especially from you. You hear me?

I’m trying to get everyone to stop discussing things and I’m trying to get it done early. If I don’t get it done by next Wednesday I’m gonna go mental. I picked Wednesday out of thin air but I’ve decided that’s the deadline for my expectations to be met or I wreck up the place.

GSPfan

adox wrote: »

Also no Smalling in the England squad, although expected is still a bit of a joke.

With all due respect from an Irish person in a Utd forum...... so what!

yabadabado

bangkok wrote: »

Saul niguez brilliant player as well

Weren't we linked to him in the past ?
A really good player who would be a nice addition .Covers plenty of positions across the midfield.

jayo26

GSPfan wrote: »

With all due respect from an Irish person in a Utd forum...... so what!

I'd actually like to see them do well to be fair. Not many would agree with me but I'm not afraid to say it.