Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt. 2

J. Marston

Being a meme. That will be Jone's legacy at United.

Really, really hope he's shown the door this summer.

Cantona's Collars

jayo26 wrote: »

How did we miss this on cup final day.

Look back at the clip of him chasing Hazard. He makes about 40 different faces.

Comic Book Guy

I can't bring myself to watch tonight's game. Petty I know but it is what it is!
Booked dinner with the Mrs. She is highly surprised at the gesture as she knows the game is on. Easiest brownie points I have ever earned!

Rossi IRL

I'll probably watch it to the point where pool go ahead.

I fully expect pool to win.

jayo26

Incase the worst comes to the worst is there anything you can download that deletes all your social media accounts in one go? Say like a nuclear bomb for social media

Rossi IRL

jayo26 wrote: »

Incase the worst comes to the worst is there anything you can download that deletes all your social media accounts in one go? Say like a nuclear bomb for social media

Gotta get rid of the family first. Their pool fans.

jayo26

Rossi IRL wrote: »

Gotta get rid of the family first. Their pool fans.

Same here 3 brothers haha.

Cantona's Collars

The guy on Sky news.
"We have,the history,the heritage".

He obviously never did his homework on what Madrid have won.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/footballitalia/status/1000272825595277314

"Corriere dello Sport claims #MUFC are ready to pay €85m for Douglas Costa, doubling #Juventus cost from #FCBayern"

hufpc8w3adnk65

Ah Lads most of us were around in 2005 ... if we survived then we will survive now if it happens. World Cup will start soon and that will distract from it.






Still won’t stop me watching it from behind the couch!

hufpc8w3adnk65

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://twitter.com/footballitalia/status/1000272825595277314

"Corriere dello Sport claims #MUFC are ready to pay €85m for Douglas Costa, doubling #Juventus cost from #FCBayern"

He a right sided player or left?

Rossi IRL

MrMac84 wrote: »

He a right sided player or left?

He is left footed anyway.

Thing he can play right or left wing.

Cantona's Collars

MrMac84 wrote: »

Lads most of us were around in 2005 lads... if we survived then we will survive now if it happens. World Cup will start soon and that will distract from it.






Still won’t stop me watching it from behind the couch!

No saturation of social media back then,it was much easier to avoid back then.

Here's a thing, there's loads headed to Liverpool to watch the game,I don't ever remember hordes of Irish United fans heading to Manchester when we played in finals.

GSPfan

MrMac84 wrote: »

He a right sided player or left?

He’s left footed which means in a Jose Mourinho team he will play right wing/right forward.

I’m actually delighted with the link to him. He’s always looked lively when I’ve seen him.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

No saturation of social media back then,it was much easier to avoid back then.

Here's a thing, there's loads headed to Liverpool to watch the game,I don't ever remember hordes of Irish United fans heading to Manchester when we played in finals.

There’s no United fans in Manchester tho....... :pac:

Andrew Beef

Jesus Christ...if you’d told me that we’d dominate English football for 25 years, that their last league win would be in 1990, and that the net result after tonight could be 3 European Cups for us and 6 for them, I just wouldn’t have believed it.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/footballitalia/status/1000295360470880257

"Juventus on the verge of €13m deal to sign Matteo Darmian from #MUFC"

hufpc8w3adnk65

Andrew Beef wrote: »

Jesus Christ...if you’d told me that we’d dominate English football for 25 years, that their last league win would be in 1990, and that the net result after tonight could be 3 European Cups for us and 6 for them, I just wouldn’t have believed it.

When they were on top domestically they dominated Europe. We didnt for the first half of Sir Alex’s reign and for the second half we were in Peps & Messi, Barca’s shadow

bucketybuck

J. Marston wrote: »

Being a meme. That will be Jone's legacy at United.

Really, really hope he's shown the door this summer.

Every summer the hope gets raised that this year will be Jones year, that he will stay injury free, play consistently, lose the mistakes and develop from potential to a genuine top class player.

So how did he do in 2017/18?

- He only featured in 25 out of 60 possible games, 23 out of 38 in the league.
- 71 days and 13 games missed due to two separate hamstring injuries.
- Played a solid 6/7 out of 10 in most games, a few high profile mistakes that cost the team and no standout 10/10 performances that I recall.

So, 7 years into his United career and aged 26, we have yet another Phil Jones season where he didn't step up into being a reliable, consistent top class defender that a club like United demands. The injuries are still there, the brainfarts are still there, the world class parts still are not there.

The club cannot keep doing this, it cannot keep persisting with these types of players, its too many seasons wasted on potential and on players who are not stepping up to the next level.

Trigger

It’s so obvious that united are linking themselves to Costa to push Juve into selling us Sandro

Toobz

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

The guy on Sky news.
"We have,the history,the heritage".

He obviously never did his homework on what Madrid have won.

Thats mental, Ronaldos going for his 5th champions league. Crazy achievement if he pulls it off.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Linked with Real Betis defender Fabian Ruiz this morning in the sun

Mirror have us in for Joao Cancelo from Valencia. I don’t know anything about either

Andrew Beef

bucketybuck wrote: »

J. Marston wrote: »

Being a meme. That will be Jone's legacy at United.

Really, really hope he's shown the door this summer.

Every summer the hope gets raised that this year will be Jones year, that he will stay injury free, play consistently, lose the mistakes and develop from potential to a genuine top class player.

So how did he do in 2017/18?

- He only featured in 25 out of 60 possible games, 23 out of 38 in the league.
- 71 days and 13 games missed due to two separate hamstring injuries.
- Played a solid 6/7 out of 10 in most games, a few high profile mistakes that cost the team and no standout 10/10 performances that I recall.

So, 7 years into his United career and aged 26, we have yet another Phil Jones season where he didn't step up into being a reliable, consistent top class defender that a club like United demands. The injuries are still there, the brainfarts are still there, the world class parts still are not there.

The club cannot keep doing this, it cannot keep persisting with these types of players, its too many seasons wasted on potential and on players who are not stepping up to the next level.

A superb post, fair play.

Jones is a great example of someone who is forever talked about in terms of what he might become until we realise someday that he’s now 35!

Liam O

Andrew Beef wrote: »

A superb post, fair play.

Jones is a great example of someone who is forever talked about in terms of what he might become until we realise someday that he’s now 35!

Or someone who's played very well when fit and is now only 26. He's better than the rest of the CBs there bar Bailly and imo Blind. There have been plenty of players in recent years who've sorted injury issues in their late 20s so to cast him off would be a mistake.

Cotts72

MrMac84 wrote: »

Linked with Real Betis defender Fabian Ruiz this morning in the sun

Mirror have us in for Joao Cancelo from Valencia. I don’t know anything about either

Ruiz is a Cm, been linked with him during the week the new' kaka' some article described him. I don't know much either other than cancelo was on loan at inter and would be available for 30mill supposedly

Lord TSC

Lord TSC wrote: »

Can people not comprehend that Martial and Mandzukic/Arnautovic are entirely different types of players, and that no amount of "developing" is going to grow Martial a foot and make him a viable back up to Lukaku/Fellaini?

Robson99 wrote: »

Why does he need to grow a foot ?? Can we not try and play football rather than hoof ball ??

Just to clarify.

At the moment, we have multiple players who "play football"; not just Martial and Rashford, but Sanchez, Lingard and Mata are all attacking players capable of "playing football" when the mood takes them.

The issue is when faced with a packed box, these players struggle to figure out what to do next. They develop habits of running into defenders or hitting the shins of the first man in front of them.

At that point, you need a Plan B. Lukaku has the ability to play both a good ground game and a good aerial game. After that, you can say Pogba can as well, but he should be outside the box feeding the balls in.

The point of Mandzukic or Arnautovic would be to provide something utterly different to what Martial and Rashford do and can offer. Call it "hoofball" if you want, but Martial and Rashford aren't going to be trained to be able to muscle their way round a packed defense to win balls in the air. They aren't aggressive enough to throw their weight and strenght around.

If you spend 80 minutes struggling to break down a defense, you should have a Plan B, and Plan B shouldn't be the same as Plan A. It doesn't need to be "sexy", it needs to be effective.

DM_7

Lord TSC wrote: »

Just to clarify.

At the moment, we have multiple players who "play football"; not just Martial and Rashford, but Sanchez, Lingard and Mata are all attacking players capable of "playing football" when the mood takes them.

The issue is when faced with a packed box, these players struggle to figure out what to do next. They develop habits of running into defenders or hitting the shins of the first man in front of them.

At that point, you need a Plan B. Lukaku has the ability to play both a good ground game and a good aerial game. After that, you can say Pogba can as well, but he should be outside the box feeding the balls in.

The point of Mandzukic or Arnautovic would be to provide something utterly different to what Martial and Rashford do and can offer. Call it "hoofball" if you want, but Martial and Rashford aren't going to be trained to be able to muscle their way round a packed defense to win balls in the air. They aren't aggressive enough to throw their weight and strenght around.

If you spend 80 minutes struggling to break down a defense, you should have a Plan B, and Plan B shouldn't be the same as Plan A. It doesn't need to be "sexy", it needs to be effective.

On this,
The last thing you do with players who can beat a defender on the ground is put him in the middle of a packed defence to be a receiver. You want them moving around, finding and creating space.

The 'hoof' option to play the ball into a more static player is for them to run off of. See Martial v Spurs at home as the long ball.

A strong forward can also hold off defenders and give a pass and move option for more intricate play. See Sanchez and Lukaku link up v Chelsea at OT.

xtal191

19 years ago today, I'd ****ing love if Madrid did something similar tonight

Del007

MrMac84 wrote: »

When they were on top domestically they dominated Europe. We didnt for the first half of Sir Alex’s reign and for the second half we were in Peps & Messi, Barca’s shadow

The 3 foreigners rule had a lot to answer for that

Mitch Connor

Del007 wrote: »

The 3 foreigners rule had a lot to answer for that

Everyone else was bound by the same rules.

Andrew Beef

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Del007 wrote: »

The 3 foreigners rule had a lot to answer for that

Everyone else was bound by the same rules.

It was more pronounced for English clubs because Scottish/Welsh/Irish players became “foreign”.

beno619

Liam O wrote: »

Or someone who's played very well when fit and is now only 26. He's better than the rest of the CBs there bar Bailly and imo Blind. There have been plenty of players in recent years who've sorted injury issues in their late 20s so to cast him off would be a mistake.

I'd agree with most of that not sure about the Blind comment.

Jones had a solid season with the exception of Spurs away and a lunge in the cup final.

Getting rid is hardly a top priority.

GSPfan

Got all nostalgic today seeing Uniteds 1999 comeback and in particular I seen Fergies interview right after and I actually smiled widely when he says “Football, Bloody Hell”. Hope he’s on the mend.

Bret Hart

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

No saturation of social media back then,it was much easier to avoid back then.

Here's a thing, there's loads headed to Liverpool to watch the game,I don't ever remember hordes of Irish United fans heading to Manchester when we played in finals.

We've lorded it over them for the last four years about the slip with gifs and memes,and even a day decicated to it. As they say,what goes around comes around. It's part and parcel of footballing rivarly.

It's Sir Matts birthday today so hopefully he'll be able to strike a deal with the big fella upstairs .

jayo26

Bret Hart wrote: »

We've lorded it over them for the last four years about the slip with gifs and memes,and even a day decicated to it. As they say,what goes around comes around. It's part and parcel of footballing rivarly.

It's Sir Matts birthday today so hopefully he'll be able to strike a deal with the big fella upstairs .

So true bret to be honest it's all good Craic but it wouldn't make it any easier if they did win.

Tippex

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://twitter.com/footballitalia/status/1000295360470880257

"Juventus on the verge of €13m deal to sign Matteo Darmian from #MUFC"

I'd Take that I was delighted to see him sign but just has not worked out and decent enough money considering his playing time with us

bucketybuck

Liam O wrote: »

Or someone who's played very well when fit and is now only 26. He's better than the rest of the CBs there bar Bailly and imo Blind. There have been plenty of players in recent years who've sorted injury issues in their late 20s so to cast him off would be a mistake.

Grand so. Lets give it all another year then, maybe this will be the year that it finally happens. Its didn't happen the last 3 or 4 years but you never know, maybe Jones and Smalling will play every game to a high standard and we can have a settled partnership at the back. Shaw will put in some work and we can have a left back. Martial will stop disappearing in games and makes himself undroppable. Rashford will learn how to play up top on his own, and Pogba will start acting like a senior player and consistently influence games. Daley Blind will stop being happy to be a nobody, Herrera will find his form again, Mata find some teeth and Valencia will stop being scared to run at people, maybe even drop his crusade against defenders ankles.

They are all great lads, they just need another chance and United is the club to give it to them.

adox

Blind is the worst of the senior CBs at the club imo.

Slow, weak in the air, weak physicaly. Sure he has very good distribution on the ball but I want my defenders to be able to defend first and foremost. It seems to be all th fashion now to have a ball playing CB, even at the expense of their defensive duties. I just don’t understand it.

Blind can’t go quick enough. Was never Utd standard and never will be.

deaddonkey15

Blind and Darmian should be the first two out the door. The very definition of dead wood.

Trigger

Ehm.. sky sources though so probably bull****

https://twitter.com/skykaveh/status/1000393815885303808?s=21

pjohnson

adox wrote: »

Blind is the worst of the senior CBs at the club imo.

Slow, weak in the air, weak physicaly. Sure he has very good distribution on the ball but I want my defenders to be able to defend first and foremost. It seems to be all th fashion now to have a ball playing CB, even at the expense of their defensive duties. I just don’t understand it.

Blind can’t go quick enough. Was never Utd standard and never will be.

Its to do with the new obsession of possesion based football.

jayo26

Just waiting on a spicebox from apache pizza hmmmm.

AidoEirE

astradave wrote: »

Ehm.. sky sources though so probably bull****

https://twitter.com/skykaveh/status/1000393815885303808?s=21

jayo26

So Alison to Madrid then it is.

J. Marston

jayo26 wrote: »

Just waiting on a spicebox from apache pizza hmmmm.

They do spiceboxes? My one doesn't.

The universe fúcks me over once again.

Mr.Crinklewood

jayo26 wrote: »

Just waiting on a spicebox from apache pizza hmmmm.

Hope Valencia isn't delivering it.....it won't get past your gate.

If it isn't him,I hope its not Neil Webb..he'll just eat it.....

If its Sol Campbell,he'll say he could have cooked a better one. ..

...and if its David Beckham... That is NOT garlic sauce

Liam O

bucketybuck wrote: »

Grand so. Lets give it all another year then, maybe this will be the year that it finally happens. Its didn't happen the last 3 or 4 years but you never know, maybe Jones and Smalling will play every game to a high standard and we can have a settled partnership at the back. Shaw will put in some work and we can have a left back. Martial will stop disappearing in games and makes himself undroppable. Rashford will learn how to play up top on his own, and Pogba will start acting like a senior player and consistently influence games. Daley Blind will stop being happy to be a nobody, Herrera will find his form again, Mata find some teeth and Valencia will stop being scared to run at people, maybe even drop his crusade against defenders ankles.

They are all great lads, they just need another chance and United is the club to give it to them.

When did I say anything about those players? I was talking about Jones.

I did mention Blind but that's because I think he's class and has both defensive and on the ball skill but the post was about Jones. I thought he played to a high standard this season.

jayo26

J. Marston wrote: »

They do spiceboxes? My one doesn't.

The universe fúcks me over once again.

Nicest ever pal they do chips and shredded chicken and little spring rolls in a medium size pizza box for 8 quid with drink and dip.

adox

Cracking championship playoff match. Really enjoyed it.

Didn’t know if I wanted to watch the CL final but I’m in the mood now.

ShooterSF

So jealous of you lot that get to choose to watch or not. Just on my break before I go back to work in the pub. Cheering on Madrid so the place might clear out a little faster...