Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2018 pt. 2

Econ_

Are posters confident that Mourinho will improve United next season to an extent where they could challenge City and significantly close the gap between themselves and the top European teams?

If yes, why?

If no, do you think he should be replaced?

pjohnson

yabadabado wrote: »

It doesn't have to be 2 defensive midfields along side Pogba.

He needs one sitting midfielder and a workhorse midfielder to do all his work for him so he can have zero responsibility.

bangkok

pjohnson wrote: »

He needs one sitting midfielder and a workhorse midfielder to do all his work for him so he can have zero responsibility.

What about the responsibility of creating chances and scoring goals, the hardest thing to do on a football pitch?

bangkok

Mbappe and Thiago are 2 of citys 3 transfer targets this summer. We should def compete with them for Thiago

yabadabado

pjohnson wrote: »

He needs one sitting midfielder and a workhorse midfielder to do all his work for him so he can have zero responsibility.

I don't think he should have zero responsibility but I'd agree with the two CMs needed. Matic is already there to be the sitting midfielder so the big issue now is to buy a cm who will get the midfield 3 to click.
I'd expect United to he linked to dozens of CMs over the next few months, I've no idea really who I'd like to see join just gotta hope Jose/Ed get it right.

IamtheWalrus

bangkok wrote: »

Mbappe and Thiago are 2 of citys 3 transfer targets this summer. We should def compete with them for Thiago

Isn't he way over 30?

yourdeadwright

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

bangkok wrote: »

Mbappe and Thiago are 2 of citys 3 transfer targets this summer. We should def compete with them for Thiago

Isn't he way over 30?

Wrong Thiago, its Alcantara

fatherted1969

The absolute priority for Mourinho this summer is two proper full backs, not converted wingers. The best crosser of a ball in the club is lukaku and you want him on the end of them not the start. The speed and intensity has to increase by 100% as well. Build up is so slow and pedantic I think I could play at times. How can any player find space at the pace we play ?

jayo26

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Wrong Thiago, its Alcantara

More of a leather guy myself.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/Jon_LeGossip/status/986195573970735104
According to RMC, it is the end of the line for captain Thiago Silva & Javier Pastore with PSG. https://twitter.com/culturepsg/status/986186773083705344 …

Barcelona line up £60m bid for Manchester United attacker Anthony Martial https://dailym.ai/2qEv8bz

Juve duel with Bayern Munich for Martial, Lagazettadelasport.

jayo26

fatherted1969 wrote: »

The absolute priority for Mourinho this summer is two proper full backs, not converted wingers. The best crosser of a ball in the club is lukaku and you want him on the end of them not the start. The speed and intensity has to increase by 100% as well. Build up is so slow and pedantic I think I could play at times. How can any player find space at the pace we play ?

To be honest I think we could have the best full backs in the world but if we don't sort out what shape the team is going to be in midfield it's a waste of time.

I'd have another central midfielder up there as important as full backs the way I see it my prefer if priority is

Central midfielder
Left back
Right back
Right wing
Center back.

Lord TSC

Tbh, the more time goes on, the more I think RB, LB, CM and RW area about equal priority right now. We need all four.

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/ScotsmanSport/status/986253033314181120

Manchester United confident of landing Kieran Tierney for £10m, according to reports.

jayo26

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ScotsmanSport/status/986253033314181120

Manchester United confident of landing Kieran Tierney for £10m, according to reports.

That's our right winger sorted then

yabadabado

jayo26 wrote: »

To be honest I think we could have the best full backs in the world but if we don't sort out what shape the team is going to be in midfield it's a waste of time.

I'd have another central midfielder up there as important as full backs the way I see it my prefer if priority is

Central midfielder
Left back
Right back
Right wing
Center back.

Yeah I'd probably agree with that order but all 5 need to be signed. The shape of the team is badly off.

Lord TSC

10m?

I was expecting at least double that. That would be a lovely piece of business.

yabadabado

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ScotsmanSport/status/986253033314181120

Manchester United confident of landing Kieran Tierney for £10m, according to reports.

Is 10m not a very low figure all things considered. Don't get me wrong I'd be happy to see him signed but would expect the fee to be near double 10m.

The_Kew_Tour

What we need in players is huge workrate and ability to take the ball and have balls in first place.

I have been shocked by some of the performances this season.

Lord TSC

yabadabado wrote: »

Is 10m not a very low figure all things considered. Don't get me wrong I'd be happy to see him signed but would expect the fee to be near double 10m.

I guess it's the joys of buying from a club like Celtic who will just take anything? Maybe they will want a larger sell on clause?

The_Kew_Tour

yabadabado wrote: »

Is 10m not a very low figure all things considered. Don't get me wrong I'd be happy to see him signed but would expect the fee to be near double 10m.

It's Celtic. 10m to them is very healthy.

12m would be the most I expect to see United pay for him

bangkok

Id say if you offered 8m with a few add ons celtic would accept

The_Kew_Tour

bangkok wrote: »

Id say if you offered 8m with a few add ons celtic would accept

They would once was decent add ons and clauses.

bangkok

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They would once was decent add ons and clauses.

2m for 50 app 2m for champions league qualification. Done

Adamcp898

Wouldn't be too gone on Tierney as a full back and think the link is more to do with we always get linked with Celtic products. If we did sign him though I'd fully expect at least another year of predominantly Young at LB.

CB and CM are still our biggest needs; two of each most likely required with one of the CM's being a rotation option. We don't have a single CB that the better teams aren't able to expose and drag out of position and we don't have the midfield balance to move the ball properly through the phases. The midfield issue is partly to do with how much of the role is chaperoning the centre of defense and if we were to manage to form a more competent CB partnership it would in part solve our lack of ability to constructively move the ball up-field when we regain possession. Unfortunately this is seldom a problem that can be fixed in the off-season alone.

A lot of our woes over recent seasons has stemmed from this necessity to both tailor too much of our shape and movement and, commit too much of players responsibilities towards how we behave as a defensive unit. People's opinions of Chris Smalling under LvG being case in point. I think it's fair to say we have enough attacking talent on the team, but what they're lacking right now is a player capable of linking play and intelligently probing opposition defensive lines that could give them freedom. RW is a non-issue imo as in most cases it just appears to be a cry for attacking symmetry for attacking symmetry's sake and in others ignores the issues in order to fulfill the love affair people have with wide attacking 433 in their heads despite what ends up in front of them.

All that said, if it were possible to spend £90 million on a first touch for Lukaku I'd do it in heartbeat :pac:

pjohnson

Moussa Dembele was valued at well over 20million in January

Tierney has a longer contract, more raw potential and is Glaswegian academy graduate so probably has quite a high affinity for Celtic, so unless he starts getting tetchy not a hope he is sold for under 20m.

Hes also captained Scotland internationally so his career is going quite well atm.

Adamcp898

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It's Celtic. 10m to them is very healthy.

12m would be the most I expect to see United pay for him

bangkok wrote: »

Id say if you offered 8m with a few add ons celtic would accept

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

They would once was decent add ons and clauses.

bangkok wrote: »

2m for 50 app 2m for champions league qualification. Done

Sorry, lads :pac:

Econ_

Econ_ wrote: »

Are posters confident that Mourinho will improve United next season to an extent where they could challenge City and significantly close the gap between themselves and the top European teams?

If yes, why?

If no, do you think he should be replaced?

No takers on this?


Seems many here are not asking themselves the hard questions.

Will I Am Not

Econ_ wrote: »

No takers on this?


Seems many here are not asking themselves the hard questions.

Maybe people would be more keen to answers questions about Mourinho from someone less obsessed with Mourinho?

Liam O

Lord TSC wrote: »

Tbh, the more time goes on, the more I think RB, LB, CM and RW area about equal priority right now. We need all four.

Or just play Sanchez on the right, Shaw at LB and then suddenly down to 2

adox

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What we need in players is huge workrate and ability to take the ball and have balls in first place.

I have been shocked by some of the performances this season.

Totally agree but wouldn’t even call it a huge work rate, just a normal work rate. The amount of teams we have played this season who seem to get to the ball first and move it quicker than us, no matter what level they are at has been shocking. Sometimes it has looked like the opposition has had an extra player on the field.

I think at this stage it’s a cultural thing within this group of players and one that Jose now seems to be trying to fight(dangerous game to play). I think numbers wise we may see somewhere around 6 players shipped out in the summer(including fringe players). That may still not be enough to shake that culture from the squad.

I know it’s a bit mad to say because we are still sitting second in the league but, I think the squad is a bit of a mess and needs a lot of work. We have lots of very talented footballers but a lot of them don’t seem to have the mental resolve or desire to function as a unit at this level. Speculating but I’m sure they subconsciously feed off it from each other and exasperate it.

On the managerial side, I’ve been disappointed a bit with Jose despite the forward steps the club have taken overall. I know what we get with him and I’m ok with that as a means to an end but the European ties for me were a watershed moment. Never had I seen such cowardice over two legs. It bordered on disgraceful the lack of ambition shown. Lack of ambition that seems to suit a lot of these players fine.

I think Jose is on thin ice and has been since those Euro ties. The fan base I suspect are starting to slowly turn against him a bit while at the same time I think he is in the process of making a lot of enemies in the squad. I don’t blame him for that at all. While I do lay blame at his door I blame the players more.
His now (seemingly) public “war” with them I think will make or break him and fairly quickly. It’s a huge gamble he’s taking with it, especially as fans are getting on his case now with the likes of the WBA display and result but I get the feeling he is just sick to the back teeth with a lot of these players and is rolling the dice to bring it all to a head.

Who the winner will be who knows? For once I hope it’s the manager. Never have I felt so disconnected from a group of Utd players. I can probably count on one hand the anmount of players I have any real affection for.

bangkok

Econ_ wrote: »

No takers on this?


Seems many here are not asking themselves the hard questions.

I want pochettino

adox

Econ_ wrote: »

No takers on this?


Seems many here are not asking themselves the hard questions.

Edit: After seeing your thread quoted below forget I even tried to interact with you.

Will I Am Not

That thread title...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057862616/1/#post106737065

Lord TSC

Econ_ wrote: »

No takers on this?


Seems many here are not asking themselves the hard questions.

I mean, that's literally been what's being discussed for several weeks now. It's THE main topic of conversation since the Sevilla game....

Liam O

Will I Am Not wrote: »

That thread title...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057862616/1/#post106737065

Probably the most creative 'Are X and Y done' threads in a while in fairness...

jayo26

Will I Am Not wrote: »

That thread title...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057862616/1/#post106737065

Ahh I see.

Will I Am Not

Will I Am Not wrote: »

That thread title...

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057862616/1/#post106737065

Is that a fancy way of saying he is a busted flush.... God dam lefties

markc91

Tour was announced this afternoon with glamour ties against Ac Milan, Real Madrid and Liverpool

The_Kew_Tour

pjohnson wrote: »

Moussa Dembele was valued at well over 20million in January

Tierney has a longer contract, more raw potential and is Glaswegian academy graduate so probably has quite a high affinity for Celtic, so unless he starts getting tetchy not a hope he is sold for under 20m.

Hes also captained Scotland internationally so his career is going quite well atm.

He was valued at 18m.

And who signed him at that?

Trigger

Econ_ wrote: »

No takers on this?


Seems many here are not asking themselves the hard questions.

It’s the Man Utd Boards way

pjohnson

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

It's Celtic. 10m to them is very healthy.

12m would be the most I expect to see United pay for him

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

He was valued at 18m.

And who signed him at that?

You claimed Celtic would happily take 10m for him. I was merely pointing out they aren't pushovers or LOI when it comes to taking any pittance.

Hell Virgil Van Dijk cost Southampton 11.5m and that was 2 - 3 years ago before fee's really inflated rapidly. Dembele has only two years left on his deal and the club rejected Brightons offers while Tierney has twice that and you think Celtic will happily take less?

jayo26

astradave wrote: »

It’s the Man Utd Boards way

Its our clique way

adox

astradave wrote: »

It’s the Man Utd Boards way

Ah...

Mitch Connor

Econ_ wrote: »

No takers on this?


Seems many here are not asking themselves the hard questions.

already answered this before. I'm not here to be summoned to answer your questions when you want answers and want to have a pop at people who don't hop to for your questions.

The_Kew_Tour

pjohnson wrote: »

You claimed Celtic would happily take 10m for him. I was merely pointing out they aren't pushovers or LOI when it comes to taking any pittance.

Hell Virgil Van Dijk cost Southampton 11.5m and that was 2 - 3 years ago before fee's really inflated rapidly. Dembele has only two years left on his deal and the club rejected Brightons offers while Tierney has twice that and you think Celtic will happily take less?

I think they would take anything over 8m with good add on Yes.

It depends on few factors of course but 8-12m with the few usual add ons is what I wo8ld see him go for. His stock is rising and of course we may not even be interested.

Any decent Celtic player down years seemed be linked with us. Very few sign

paulbok

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I think they would take anything over 8m with good add on Yes.

It depends on few factors of course but 8-12m with the few usual add ons is what I wo8ld see him go for. His stock is rising and of course we may not even be interested.

Any decent Celtic player down years seemed be linked with us. Very few sign

The late Liam Miller was possibly the last?

Liam McPoyle

Around £12m is about right for a defender from the SPL.

If Dembele who is a striker and has gotten a decent amount of goals is valued at £20m then that would be an accurate price for a highly rated defender.

rekluse

De Gea is gonna be our player of the year again isn’t he? 4th time in 5 years, sigh.

Liam O

Business Cat wrote: »

Around £12m is about right for a defender from the SPL.

If Dembele who is a striker and has gotten a decent amount of goals is valued at £20m then that would be an accurate price for a highly rated defender.

Celtic will know that they'll probably have the likes of Spurs, Chelsea, Arsenal and maybe some others from the continent to bump up the price, I think people in here are seriously underrating how highly he's rated.

Lord TSC

rekluse wrote: »

De Gea is gonna be our player of the year again isn’t he? 4th time in 5 years, sigh.

I'd probably give it to Matic based on the season as a whole. He's slumped a bit now near the end, but he was brilliant for the first two thirds.

DDG didn't have much to do until recent times.